I have heard people say that we went to war only for the oil in Iraq. That isn't the way I remember it.
I remember what happened and how it transpired. I remember watching President Bush go to the 911 twin-towers site and straighten up from examining the debris and get that determined look on his face.. and I remember those in the Congress who said the US wouldn't stand around and wait for another hit but would take the fight to the enemy. And I see today the US is at war, but the homeland remains casualty free, by God's Grace and good leadership since that day. If the US had not gone to war, they would now be blaming the President for the casualties on US soil, instead of blaming him for the few thousand who have sacrificed their lives on foreign soil that we might be safe here at home. Either way, he had a tough choice to make. I think he made the right one.
I will never believe it was all a predetermined plan to go to war against Iraq, nor a conspiracy to get an oil supply.. because I watched, I saw, the people on those days. And they may have removed the coverage of those events and tried to erase it from our minds.. but it is written large on some of our hearts. They are not forgotten, nor the fact it was a wakeup call which has to be faced down or lost. Oil was not the primary consideration then.. no matter what others with questionable motives may say.
Those who would pull out of Iraq before the Iraqis can stand without assistance on their own soil are cowards, plain and simple. And they have forgotten. I pray the US public won't follow in the footsteps of such cowardice when the legacy the country of the United States has is bravery and self sacrifice - not carnality and murder - and all the other underserved accusations the left makes against the military and religious.
This is a clip worth watching..
only a couple months old, but the most excellent presentation I have ever seen of a song etched in many hearts..
mine included:
In the midst of this election cycle.. have we forgotten how we got here?
Are we so foolish as to let those with an ideological agenda dictate to us what to believe - rewriting and distorting the very history we lived through and saw with our own eyes? They cast aspersions with no serious proof, which is nothing else but slander.. well, in politics it may be allowed by men, but I thank God that He will judge it on a moral basis where their political excuses won't count - one day. No matter what they deceived others for, power, fame, the Whitehouse?.. the judgement will be perfectly just and rightly measured on Judgement Day. And for those gullible enough to buy into these incredibly dumb conspiracy theories.. God deliver them from being blind leaders of the blind.
I am still doing the process of getting my rear end over to Iraq, but it will take some time, the companies sending people over there wants to make sure they're not sending a problem, so so far, am heavily into doing aptitude tests, dental exams, x-rays, and a long line of background checks, more stuff to follow.
Yes the original idea when investing in this venture was to make a quick buck on a soon to come RV.
As time went ahead, I think we have educated ourselves quite a bit on Arabian culture, and the viewpoint we had in the beginning is exchanged for a more understanding idea why things are as they are over there.
It is pretty much agreed upon amongst scholars that the population on this continent didn't see ourselves as "Americans" until after the Civil War.
Before that we were Virginians, Carolina's, Texans, and Pennsylvanians.
Iraq as we see it, a county amongst other Arab countries, have the distinction of never having to existed until only about a hundred years back from now.
Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Dubai to take some other examples, they were a functioning societies before the Westerns carving of the territories. Perhaps not with the idea that we have, "Equality, Liberty and Brotherhood", but still, a very old set up of rules and regulation that have been stedfast for thousands of years over there.
Iraq had the misfortune of being carved out by the Brits, and have since experienced British rule, a King set on a throne (runned by the Brits) sheiks running their own sphere of influence in the territory, a short burst of kings again, and then a tyrant that acted beyond belief.
Would we be surprised if the Iraqis don't really see themselves as Iraqis just yet?
For us it was so easy to imagine, we have our system, our taxes, our institutions, we vote them in and we vote them out, we air our grievances in media, and even if we bitch about it, we use the justice system and trust it. The whole system is criss crossed by freeways, both physical and cyber.
If we send something along a freeway, we expect it to be treated in a certain way, and we have the conduct to handle a received particle as well.
From that viewpoint, we went ahead and removed Saddam, and had the idea that everything was going to be just dandy after that. Who would think of anything otherwise, his rule made sure that a couple of buses filled with people of all ages and genders went into the desert into the night, to be returned empty in the morning.
Remove him and we will have it all nice and ducky.
Not to be, the interim minister Malawi stated that even the Iraqis themselves did not forecast the uprising. Evidently there was a lot of old grievances that bubbled up to the surface, the only time in the whole history when they were free, and the emotions from old wrongs, just came up, nothing held them down no more.
In a sense, with all the destruction from the uprising(some say civil war), It maybe was something necessary for the Iraqi nation to happen, in order to evolve, and mature into a true nation.
Some have set aside things like the new flag, as something very unimportant, but it can't be for the Iraqis.
Three different ethnic and cultures are slowly coming together under one flag, and it will not come within a week or so, it will take some time. The Iraqis, still in many aspects are not united, but are Shiite, Sunnis, Kurds first and for all. This in the same manners as we were Virginians, Texans and New Yorkers.
The amount of uprisings and unruly population in the Americas in the early part of our history will reflect pretty much the Iraqis search for identity. If we were dissatisfied with something, we marched on it, made a posse, burned, looted and behaved very much like the Iraqi population.
It would be wrong to count Iraq as a 100 year old country, because the Iraqis themselves have not lived in their "own" country, until now.
About now is the first time they have something they can call their own.
Their loyalties have to be straightened up, as smaller groups and factions, religious and cultural, may it be Mullahs or Sheiks, still have strong historical ties. All this ties have served the Iraqis well in their survival in the past, and have been served with honor and loyalty.
New ways are making inroads, cellphones, TV, Internet, Radio and other media, that are showing the Iraqis that there is a completely different universe outside their own old ways, and here as well as there, change is dangerous as we all know our old ways, but don't know how to control or survive in the new ways.
We see with disbelief when a young Arab boy are waving his AK, doing it his way, and wonder why he doesn't do it our way, get a girl and go to the Drive In instead.
They'll get there, but remember we ourselves were not even Americans until 1865.
There have been a pretty significant fire in the Central Bank of Iraq. What this will mean is hard to say right now, but according to the reports, the staff was back today again, and continued it's work, so it is fair to say that even though it was a significant fire, it didn't stop the CBI from functioning.
Of course, this will as well as the UFO ,Kennedy assassination, and the first moon landing, spawn conspiracies.
The best that possibly could come out of this situation is if the CBI would declare that a big amount of IQD's was destroyed, and there is no intention to replace them.
"Fire sale on Dinars" naaa. don't think that would happen, but I wouldn't mind some being destroyed.
Currency destroyed are routinely just replaced with new ones.
Did read some fire breathing reports from an author lately, that he declared that the US presses are working day and night pressing Dollars in the Trillions. He wrote this statement in a way that he is "uncovering" something.
Hah, bills are not lasting that long, and are routinely replaced, and the prints are in fact making Trillions. The fact that they are making Trillions of Dollar doesn't mean anything.
They HAVE to make Trillions of Dollar to replace the old bills, that are routinely destroyed.
Open up your wallet, I just did, and you will find that most of the bills you have in your wallet are made after the year of 2000, (I actually found ONE bill made in 1999). Scarcely you will find an old bill, and if you do, you will immediately notice it, because they are so rare.
Paper bills don't last long, and have to be reprinted.
The whole currency are reprinted over and over again, but the currency that is destroyed are replaced Dollar by Dollar, and that's the whole story about it, nothing exciting to "disclose, unveil or uncover" about it.
I am a bit unsure however about the Iraqi currency, as they started out with a completely new batch of currency, and probably had a reserve of currency to replace their worn out bills.
The reserve is probably used now, at least for the smaller denominations, that is in daily circulation, that by this time must have started to show wear and tear, and re-prints for replacement would not be impossible or unlikely, it is just a matter of how much new bills they started up with, and how much they kept as reserve in the beginning.
I am just writing this for you to take into account if there are new "theories" on how much IQD's are in or out of the vaults in Iraq. Currency replacements are normal, and there's no mumbo jumbo in it. Swap one Dollar with another one, burn one and issue the other, that's it.
Of course, a very big difference would be if suddenly a LOT of Dinars burned up, ...like in this fire.. and they decide on not replacing it, then they will make IQD's rare, and more valuable, but they don't need to have measures like a fire in the Central Bank in order to manipulate the value of the Dinar, that is completely unnecessary.
I strongly doubt that there will be any statement that uses this fire as an explanation or excuse to change the direction of which the IQD is managed by the CBI, but I am sure that many CBI officials have a lot of their own thoughts and are kicking ideas around.
What an opportunity.
Doubtful, but by all means, watch the CBI statements in the close future, they might come up with something fun.
We have gained so much ground.. I pray to God that it will not be lost.
As Roger pointed out, some of it is growing pains just like the US has gone through.
You just don't walk away from a newly formed young nation before it can stand on its own.
Thank you both for your insights and understanding.
Sara.
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Hasty pullout could doom Iraq, says Bush
Updated at: 0900 PST, Tuesday, January 29, 2008
WASHINGTON: President George W. Bush, rebuffing election-year pressures on Iraq, warned Monday that a hasty US troop pullout would leave hard-earned political and security progress there in ruins.
"Members of Congress: Having come so far, and achieved so much, we must not allow this to happen," Bush told a skeptical global audience in his annual final State of the Union speech.
Bush, facing pressure from the US public and leading Democratic White House hopefuls to change course, declared: "Any further drawdown of US troops will be based on conditions in Iraq and the recommendations of our commanders."
The president quoted the top US military commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, as warning that a premature withdrawal would lead to "disintegration" of Iraq's security force, Al-Qaeda regaining ground, and increased violence.
Al qaeda and other destructive forces in the Middle east,
US have made new requests to the Pakistani leader Musharraf, to extend the US operation in Pakistan, but have been denied sharply that request.
Pakistan have recently been the object of attacks, in the form of bombs and assassinations in Pakistan, taking a pretty big toll on the Pakistanis.
There are pretty much two courses to take here, go ahead without the Pakistanis consent and battle Al qaeda in Pakistan,
or,
Do as what happened in Iraq, let Al qaeda do a lot of bombings and assassinations, until the population get tired of these murderers running around screaming "God is Great".
Right now the Pakistanis have a pretty naive view of the battle with Al qaeda, the majorities of the Pakistanis have the idea that this is not their war, but it is the US war with Al qaeda. (this according to surveys)
This despite the fact that these murderers are running around bombing and shooting the Pakistani population trying to intimidate them to submission.
Perhaps it would be better to try to keep the war on a winning foot in Afghanistan, leaving only Pakistan for Al qaeda to operate in, and as the Pakistanis themselves don't consider that this is their war, let them have it, until they figure out where the actual war is taking place.
When 911 happened, in light of the devastating tragedy unfolding in the news and as the nation was in shock and reeling from the hit.. as casualty reports were coming in and we saw on the news people in the Middle East rejoicing and shouting praise to their god allah over the deaths of good and innocent American civilians, I came before the LORD in prayer and I asked Him what He would do about our safety. And He said, "I will give other men's lives for you."
And there isn't one casualty taken in fighting against the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists - be it male or female, American or coalition - that I don't think of the Lord's words and appreciate that the sacrifice they have made was for ME.. for us, for the public safety here at home. We felt like sitting ducks in a barrel, with madmen standing outside of the barrel with a shotgun in their hands at the ready. And when the President and Congress TOGETHER approved the action in Iraq, it was with the safety of the nation before their mind's eyes, not Iraqi oil wealth. It was a fulfillment of "I will give other men's lives for you." - for our safety and the security of the homeland - and not for self-centered and greed-filled purposes.
These conspiracy theorists malign and defame the best who God has offered up for our safety's sake, and their faulty judgement will not prevail in the final scrutiny of what has happened. History truly is HIS-story, and these conspiracy whackos who do not know Him or consider the operation of His hands over the affairs of men will never be just or justified in that Day of Judgement when He will judge all of mankind. Even if (IF) the majority of Democrats believe the conspiracy theorists, they only show how incredibly deceived they are, not the rightness of their judgement.
Sara.
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Summary of the Conspiracy Theorist problems and the vast camp of them among the Democrats, using a few articles and INCLUDING one important one implicating IRAN in taking biased polls for its own reasons (CARL and ROGER - do note the Iran connection as it is relevant to our Dinar investment.. any comment? My edits for brevity in the articles, still pretty long):
Democrats Think Bush Knew About 9/11 Attacks in Advance?
James Joyner
Saturday, May 5, 2007
A Rasmussen survey finds that, “Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.” Put another way, 61% of Democrats think it possible that the president knew about the attacks and did nothing. He was aware that, at minimum, the hundreds of people aboard those four airliners would die and he went calmly off to read “My Pet Goat” to some children?
Ed Morrissey (who, oddly, has a Rasmussen membership) takes a look at the crosstabs and notes that, “A clear majority of independents had no problem clearing Bush. Only 18% of them believe that Bush had advance knowledge of the attack, and 25% are unsure.”
Pejman Yousefzadeh said that “if you actually buy into the belief that the President knew about the attacks in advance, or that the CIA knew, given the evidence that we have after multiple investigations . . . well . . . I’m really not sure there is anything on Earth I can argue to change your mind.”
John Hawkins has no problem at all believing Democrats are “conspiracy loons” or, indeed, “Crazed, Drooling Nutjobs.” Has has a point, though, when he adds, “if people who know better don’t speak up, they allow the crazies to dominate the conversation by default and the public may not know the difference.”
Liberal Media Matters responds with the leftwing view of the poll...
Several conservative commentators have touted the results of an April 20-May 1 Rasmussen Results poll question -- which was itself ambiguous -- to accuse a substantial percentage of Democrats of believing that President Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and deliberately did nothing to stop them. According to Rasmussen Reports, respondents were asked, "Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks in advance?" According to the poll: "Thirty-five percent of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view."
In his May 15 nationally syndicated column, titled "Just How Crazy Are the Dems?" National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg claimed that the poll found Democrats "are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance," and declared that "a majority of Democrats in this country are out of their gourds." Yet as Goldberg himself admitted, the poll question was ambiguous. As Goldberg said, "Many Democrats are probably merely saying that Bush is incompetent or that he failed to connect the dots or that they're just answering in a fit of pique." In other words, respondents could have been merely saying that Bush received ample warning of possible attacks.
Others have also touted this poll saying some Democratic voters are delusional conspiracy theorists.
- On the May 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly characterized the poll question as having said that "35 percent of American Democratic voters believe President Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen." He later claimed that it indicated that "35 percent of Democratic voters believe that President Bush stood by and allowed 3,000 Americans to die on the streets." O'Reilly repeatedly referred to this as "madness," and claimed, "Sane people do not make that kind of leap."
- On the May 7 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh claimed that according to the poll, "35 percent of this country's Democrats think that there was a government conspiracy about this and allowed these attacks to happen." He asserted that due to the poll, that "it's no longer funny to call [Democrats] kooks and freaks and so forth. This is -- they are deranged, dangerously uninformed, misinformed, or what have you." He continued: "The Democrat Party is not mainstream. It is literally a bunch of deranged, delusional radicals." Limbaugh postulated the poll results were due to the influence of the American news media and education system, which had "poison[ed] people's minds" against Bush since the attacks of 9-11.
- In a May 9 post to his blog at townhall.com, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Medved claimed that according to this poll, "a stunning 61% of Democrats believed that the President of the United States may well have collaborated in the murder of 3,000 of his fellow citizens." He cited this poll as proof of "Democratic paranoia and conspiracy mongering," which he asserted "pushes the party to the lunatic fringe and leftwing edge of national opinion."
I had to split the post in two or it would not post.. but this is very interesting and worth considering because IRAN is very much an interested party to Iraq and the Dinar fortunes.. Was it that the "unsure" Democrats from the last poll moved over in this poll to the belief of 911 being an inside job, or are they faked and biased results sponsored by IRAN with the help of the radical 911 "truther" whackos? And if they are faked and biased results.. why? What is the motive of Iran in doing this?
You decide:
“9/11″ Zogby Poll Was Commissioned By Iran
By now you have probably heard of the results of the recent Zogby poll (click for pdf file), which claims that 42% of Americans believe Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.
From Press TV:
Poll: US gov’t knew about 9/11 attacks
Tue, 11 Sep 2007
A new poll indicates that some 43 percent of Americans believe that Washington knew about the 9/11 attacks but did nothing to stop them.
According to the Press TV-Zogby International poll, 42.5 percent of the respondents believed that the Bush Administration knew about the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center but did nothing to prevent the attacks.
Only 37.5 percent of the respondents strongly disagreed with the idea and 4.5 percent neither agreed nor disagreed with it.
Among the members of the armed forces who participated in the poll nearly 44 percent said that the US government had known about the plans for 9/11 attacks with 37.2 strongly disagreeing with it.
The poll also indicates that a majority of Americans (56.3 percent), including the members of US armed forces, support the idea that the Bush Administration used the September 11 attacks as an excuse to push ahead with its own agenda, particularly in the Middle East and only 27.1 percent of respondents disagreed with it.
Some 1006 people across the US were questioned by pollsters and the margin of error was +/- 3.2.
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But what you may not have realized is that the poll was “commissioned” by Press TV, which is owned and operated by the Iranian government.
From Wikipedia:
Press TV PRESS TV is an English language international television news channel which is funded by the Iranian government, based in Tehran and broadcasts in English on a round-the-clock schedule. With 26 international correspondents and more than 400 staff around the world, its stated mission is to offer a different and unbiased view of the world events…
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This work by Zogby on Iran’s behalf may even be illegal, since American businesses have been restricted from dealing with Iran (pdf file) because of its sponsorship of terrorism. Although some of these sanctions have been subsequently relaxed.
But even if the Iranian sponsorship of this poll wasn’t illegal it is highly questionable.
And of course one wonders what was the purpose of Iran commissioning such a poll at this time in the first place?
And how many polls have they commissioned previously?
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25 Responses to ““9/11″ Zogby Poll Was Commissioned By Iran”
1) low profile
I am always skeptical of polls. In this case, the source is known to have an axe to grind. The surprising thing is that the Iranians didn’t blame the usual Zionist suspects, but let stand the fact that the highjackers were mostly Saudi and all Islamic.
By the way, FDR ‘knew’ about Pearl Harbor–using the same criteria.
2) Eva
Of this sample set, nearly 10% say the US Govt actually carried out the attacks and 11% only somewhat disagree with this statement; therefore, 20% of those polled are out of their minds; the remaining 23% were obviously confused by the the question.
For instance, let’s say you believe that there was sufficient evidence to predict an attack and the FBI held in custody one of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack, but because of their ineptitude or inability to correlate all these events they did nothing, you may respond the same. It’s a confusing statement, especially when you’re peppered with all sort of conspiratorial accusations. It’s a classic implicit association trap. The order in which these questions were asked can lead to a statistical bias, and Zogby knows this. Also, they’re only using “listed” telephone numbers. I wonder if cell phones were called? Probably not. I’m not buying these results.
As for Zogby, he did some amazing work on the 2000 national elections, but he is after all a self-professed liberal Democrat of Lebanese descent; his brother is the founder of Arab American Institute. That’s not to say his not a good pollster, but he’s no fan of the Bush administration and he knows how to skew results.
3) texaspsue
I knew something was fishy about the news report. I’ve been a Zogby pollster for quite a few years now and for the life of me, I didn’t recall taking this poll. The MSM is moving from careless reporting to dangerous reporting. I am being to think the U.S. MSM only writes the news for the rest of the World’s benefit, not ours. To promote pure propaganda and lies Worldwide!!!!
4) ATLien
If there is one thing I learned in statistics, it is that you can make them prove any point or show any result that you want them to. This is gross and it disturbs me. When will people wake up and start condemning these conspiracy theorists publically?
5) GetBackJack
In my humble opinion, and I am not wrong about this …. polls exist to gauge the effect of propaganda. The Dominant Paradigm is issued through ‘news outlets’. People read and discuss what they’ve been told. Then a poll is conducted to see how well the miasm is being ingested and taken for Reality. Polls are a feedback loop. Ask anyone what they think of Iraq and let them expound. Then ask, “How do you know all that?” Or, “who told you?” Their response will be from any number of sources, but only one in a million will have Been There and Seen That. Virtually no one you’ll meet has been to Iraq and done the heavy lifting and also has the contextual knowledge of how all this fits together in the World Puzzle. But … they’ll damn sure have an opinion … and their views and opinions are derived from Others. In essence … They Do Not Know. They know only what they are told, wheher it is FoxNews or CNN or the AP.
Polls exist to find out how well a message is taking. Any engineer will tell us that a feedback loop is necessary in order for machinery to operate correctly. Negative feedback produces a more stable response, and positive feedback loops cause a machine to oscillate out of control and tear itself apart. Negative Feedback in terms of ‘news’ would be actual facts, absent spin and agenda. The naked cold truth. Spin, agenda and crafted stylized journalism is Positive Feedback, because it reinforces the propaganda already being pushed down the pipe. The whole thing is a vicious tactic in a larger strategy to get us to tear ourselves apart. No one can defeat America except Americans tearing each other apart. We won’t do it willingly, so we must be manipulated into doing it.
And now you know what Polling is for.
Control. Positive Feedback. Busting the machinery.
6) wardmama4
I lost all interest and respect for polls when we subscribed to USA Today (ages ago) and read a poll - 46% of Americans were scared of AIDS. I thought wow and actually read the whole deal - the poll was done only in SanFrancisco. Well - they got what they wanted.
Same with this one.
Polls are now being used (sorry GetBackJack) not to test whether their propaganda is working - but rather to make sure the masses know exactly what to answer. Read some of them now days - I won’t answer as they are so twisted I can’t answer honestly. Not that any of the msm deals with truth, facts or honesty any more.
7) caambers
I’d like to mention that the founder of Zogby International is John Zogby, also the founder and president of the Arab American Institute (not Arab is listed first in the name) and co-founder and Executive Director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. He’s also co-founded an organization which funds health care for Paleosimians. I don’t think I need to say more here.
8) bnelson44
Anyone know if the Iranian Republican Guard owns Press TV? or is it Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps?
9) SG
BTW, it should be noted that the crackpot conspiracy theorists at Truth.org also claim to have “co-sponsored” this Zogby poll.
From 911Truth.org:
Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment
Released: September 06, 2007
Kansas City, MO (Zogby International) September 6, 2007 - As America nears the sixth anniversary of the world-churning events of September 11, 2001, a new Zogby International poll finds a majority of Americans still await a Congressional investigation of President Bush’ and Vice President Cheney’s actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks. Over 30% also believe Bush and/or Cheney should be immediately impeached by the House of Representatives.
The 911truth.org-sponsored poll also found that over two-thirds of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the still unexplained collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001…
Poll Sponsor
The Zogby poll was conceived and commissioned by 911truth.org and paid for with generous assistance from individual project donors and Visibility911.com. 911truth.org is a national information clearing house and grassroots resource center for the US 9/11 truth movement. The group is dedicated to investigation, education, organizing, and accountability regarding the recent criminal misuse of government to promote fear, repression and endless war…
I thought it was victory that was supposed to have a thousand fathers. Not “truther” opinion polls.
10) DW
Speaking of the 9/11 conspiracy…from the Toronto Sun:
Conspiracy’s end?
By THANE BURNETT
There’s a radical theory that’s being considered in hushed tones.
That the 9/11 conspiracy chorus, which started to rise before the ashes of that day had completely fallen, has reached a natural and final crescendo.
That despite the tremendous popular success of online videos, forums and books — claiming the U.S. government was behind the deaths of almost 3,000 people, the planes were remote drones and the towers were brought down with military-planted explosives or missiles — the movement has left its most productive days behind.
That — even as it, according to a poll last year, convinced a third of the American population that U.S. officials were somehow complicit in the attacks — it can never really prove its case.
Who is this skeptic to suggest such a thing? The man doubting the doubting is Jimmy Walter; once the 9/11 “Truth Movement’s” most diehard promoter. Over the years, Walter, an American venture capitalist and heir to a $14.3 million fortune from his dad’s home-building business, has spent nearly $8-million to convince his fellow citizens that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by “they” — an “inside job” of government leaders, media and businessmen. He’s run full page ads in papers like The New York Times and, in 2004, funded 30-second messages on major American cable networks, such as CNN and Fox News.
“I mean, it’s been six years — for at least five, the information has been out there,” Walter says. It’s blatantly obvious the truth will never come out and it will all end up like debates over who really shot John F. Kennedy, he’s sure.
“The people know. Nothing is happening,” he says, noting of his own part in the odd debate: “(I’ve) completely walked away … the curtain call is done.”
He is not alone. A column in an online forum popular with 9/11 “Truthers,” by lesser known skeptic Michael Bonanno, recently said: “I think we should give up.”
The "truth" will likely never be found, and the debate stops people from getting on with life to make things better, he argued.
But there are those who aren’t ready to walk away from the rubble — a good amount of which they’ve stirred up.
Phil Jayhan, who takes credit for being one of the early players involved in the first version of Loose Change, one of the most popular 9/11 skeptics’ movies, is preparing his own conspiracy film.
Loose Change even made it into Vanity Fair, and Jayhan is sure there’s still growth in doubt.
“Is it a conspiracy movement when you can prove the conspiracy?” he tries to convince me, on the line from Alaska.
He vows to carry on, saying the movement is no longer fringe, but rather mainstream. Shortly after our conversation, I receive an e-mail about a new poll — done on behalf of a skeptic organization — which found even more people around the world suspect a wider 9/11 conspiracy.
Despite deciding to exile himself from the need to disbelieve, there was no doubt it was sent to me from Austria by Jimmy Walter.
People will believe at the level their intelligence allows…..truthers would be “flat earthers” a couple of centuries ago, and demand that Columbus return the money he used to prove otherwise.
It would be like showing a stone age group a Bic lighter….they would not be able to conceive the idea of instant fire…..
and folks like the ones that insist that for whatever reason, the 9/11 attacks were a product of the Bush administration’s evil plan for world domination just cannot fathom that it was merely Islamic terrorists flying aircraft into infidel buildings to kill as many people as possible
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They cannot understand metallurgy, physics, reality, the world is indeed round….and they choose to dwell in their ignorance and unfortunately try to foist their ignorance on more intelligent people.
These are the people the democrats adore. These are the myopic issue ridden people who want so desperately to believe anything other than the blatant facts…..because they are incapable of absorbing reality. It hurts their brains. It makes them realize just how small and woefully insignificant they really are.
So, conspiracy theorists they become. It gives them a sense of self worth they couldnt otherwise achieve through normal means….such as a life.
12) wardmama4
You know what this story, DW’s about Jimmy Walter and the Moveon ad, Code Pink et al shows: that when conservatives make/have millions they invest in/start companies, donate to service/aid charities, establish educational scholarships and so on and when liberals have millions they use that money to overthrow free/democratic governments, secretly further progressive agendas and propagandize their positions. It is all about THEM.
What a shame, I thought that those who desire peace, equality and justice would be all about Humanity. . .My bad.
Thanks. I was hoping you would get to it. As for Sadr.. I wonder who is goading him toward this course of action? Didn't Carl say he was an agent of Iran? Perhaps he stood back to let the Americans root out the opposition for him (he was fighting the Al Qaida on one front and the Americans on another??) and now he thinks he can jump back in with an even stronger position with the Al Qaida gone?
And if you have a thought to spare, what do you think of IRAN sponsoring that poll I quoted? Apart from the fact it was probably illegal for a terrorist country to sponsor such a poll.. isn't that kind of strange? What agenda do you see there, if any? Anyone else have an opinion on the topic? Did they do it so the Democrats and Republicans could bicker at one another and IGNORE the Iranians until they have.. done what? Got their nukes in under the wire and delayed til after President Bush has left office and they have less of a hawk in office (and hopefully a pushover who will walk away from a fight rather than pay the cost to save our necks from his "army of suicide bombers")? Just my ponderings.. remember these old posts?
Tehran, Iran, Jul. 22 – A military garrison has been opened in Iran to recruit and train volunteers for “martyrdom-seeking operations”, according to the garrison’s commander, Mohammad-Reza Jaafari.
The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.
“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”, Jaafari said.
“The Imam [Khomeini] said years ago that Israel must be wiped off the face of the Earth, but so far practical steps have not been taken to achieve this”, the garrison commander said. “Our garrison must spot, recruit, organise and train martyrdom-seeking persons to be able to materialise this objective. Any delay in fulfilling the strategy of the Imam and the Supreme Leader in this regard will not be to the advantage of Islam or the revolution”.
According to FOX NEWS, there is a Real Estate RUSH taking place in Baghdad...67k returned last month...and they need housing...prices of homes have doubled and tripled...
The more the economy increases the less chance of leaders like Sadr having the ability to bring violence back into the situation...but make no mistake about it...Sadr is a operating agent for Iran, as long as they have a mutual interest...He hates the USA and Iran does not want Democracy in the region...
Rob...is correct on the assessment of the RV....The RV of the dinar is a process not an event...I have always said 5 -7 years before a increase of such that will show any significant value...history of insurgencies last 10-12 years...I believe we have at least another 3 to 5 years before we can consider cashing in the some of the dinar for a profit...
The following is an article by an ex-minister. I think this should bolster my argument as to the need of all economic sectors coming on line and not relying on oil alone.
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Ex-minister warns of Iraq's economic ordeal
Amman, 29 January 2008 (Voices of Iraq)
Iraq's former minister of planning has warned of Iraq's economic "ordeal," stressing the need for sound management of the accumulative cash surplus.
"Iraq has a cash reserve of more than $20 billion, which has boosted the value of the Iraqi dinar and its purchasing power, in addition to a large credit of over $10 billion by the Iraqi Development Fund," Former Minister Mahdi al-Hafiz, who is also a member of the parliamentary economic committee, indicated in a thorough study published by the Jordanian al-Ghad (Tomorrow) newspaper on Monday.
Hafiz highlighted the need to adopt a thoughtful strategic vision and setting up profitable programs with the aim of preserving the country's natural resources and ensuring a reliable source of income.
The study also called to reconsider the budget’s spending structure and rationalize the expenditure.
"Outlining the weaknesses in the current policy and the economic performance is a must to rectify all deficiencies and implement the required structural reforms," the study explained.
The study criticized Iraq's increasing dependence on oil export revenues as a main source of income. According to the 2008 budget, over 85% of Iraq's income is generated by oil exports, which the study said poses great risks to the economy in case of oil price fluctuations.
The minister also described the shortage of direct and indirect tax revenues as an indication of a lagging economy, but said that the mobile phone revenues are quite promising.
The study concluded by outlining some aspects, which Hafiz said must be carefully handled to sustain a healthy economy. Enforcing the rule of law and ending the presence of foreign troops in the country are the first priorities set by the study.
Thanks, Rob N.
I will get to your post in just a minute, but I composed these two first to Carl (and the board) about Iran.. in reply to his post.
Appreciate your post.. will get back to you.
Thanks, Carl. I appreciate your post and insights, as always.
I also appreciate your reiterating your position that "Sadr is a operating agent for Iran" -
which is what I thought you believed.
Iran has influenced and continues to have a big influence, on the Dinar fortunes.
It is also a big player even in the fortunes of the West, as you know and I hope to show in these two posts.
I feel that a bit of review is in order concerning Iran and its intentions in their region and their view toward the world (Western in particular), just so we can see the relevant issues surrounding the Dinar, and our world, too.
Carl has always noted that the Iranians are believers in the hidden Imam and the return of the Mahdi.
A brief review with some very pertinent political commentary from Amir Taheri is necessary first -
(Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe.)
Note he says: Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US.
He wrote, QUOTE:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad And “The Hidden Imam”
From the UK's Telegraph:
The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb
By Amir Taheri
(Filed: 16/04/2006)
Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.
According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".
Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.
In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.
According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.
Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.
The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.
While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza.
Ahmadinejad has also reactivated Iran's network of Shia organisations in Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen, while resuming contact with Sunni fundamentalist groups in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. From childhood, Shia boys are told to cultivate two qualities. The first is entezar, the capacity patiently to wait for the Imam to return. The second is taajil, the actions needed to hasten the return. For the Imam's return will coincide with an apocalyptic battle between the forces of evil and righteousness, with evil ultimately routed. If the infidel loses its nuclear advantage, it could be worn down in a long, low-intensity war at the end of which surrender to Islam would appear the least bad of options. And that could be a signal for the Imam to reappear.
At the same time, not to forget the task of hastening the Mahdi's second coming, Ahamdinejad will pursue his provocations. On Monday, he was as candid as ever: "To those who are angry with us, we have one thing to say: be angry until you die of anger!"
His adviser, Hassan Abassi, is rather more eloquent. "The Americans are impatient," he says, "at the first sight of a setback, they run away. We, however, know how to be patient. We have been weaving carpets for thousands of years."
• Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe
From the Wikipedia about the belief in the Mahdi:
Muhammad al-Mahdi
Muḥammad al-Mahdī (born 868; year of death unknown) (Arabic: محمد المهدى) is the twelfth and final Shi'a Imam. He is the person believed by Shi'as to be the Mahdi; a figure considered by both Sunnis and Shias to be the ultimate saviour of humankind. Shi'as and Sunnis differ on the identity of the Mahdi, with Shi'as believing that he was born in 868 and has been hidden by God (referred to as occultation) to later emerge to fulfill his mission. Sunnis either believe that he is yet to be born, or that he was born recently and has yet to emerge. Whatever the case, both groups believe that he will bring absolute peace and justice throughout the world by establishing Islam as the global religion.
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I don't think it is taken seriously enough.
It's all too real to Ahmadinejad. And it is driving his actions according to many who know him.
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As for the statement that Ahmadinejad will continue his provocations.. remember this one against the United States (and Zionism):
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "We Will Soon Experience A World Without The United States And Zionism."
AHMADINEJAD: "Undoubtedly, I say that this slogan and goal is achievable, and with the support and power of God, we will soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world." (Iran's President Warns Muslims Of 'Conspiracies Of World Imperialism,' Available At: www.sharifnews.com, Accessed 10/26/05)
Or this one... threatening "Harm and Pain" to the US?
Iran Threatens US “Harm And Pain” Over Nukes
From the Associated Press: Iran Threatens U.S. With ‘Harm and Pain’
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago
VIENNA, Austria - Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program.
America’s ambassador to the United Nations — and the chief architect of U.S. policy in the Security Council once it takes up the Iran issue — said Iran’s comments reflected the menace it poses.
"Their threats show why leaving a country like that with a nuclear weapon is so dangerous," he told The Associated Press in a phone call from Washington.
He classified the Iranian comments as "reflecting their determination to acquire weapons."
"The United States has the power to cause harm and pain," said an statement delivered by the Iranian delegation and later repeated to reporters by top nuclear negotiator Javad Vaidi.
"But the United States is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball roll."
The statement did not elaborate on what Iran meant by "harm and pain," and Iranian officials were not immediately available to comment.
- This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, March 8th, 2006.
I am sure we all have our own ideas about what that "harm and pain" may mean (or come to mean).
You don't think Iran saying that the US will soon cease to exist and Iran will inflict "Harm and Pain" on the US has anything to do with those 40,000 suicide bombers or with the fact Iran is close to getting nuclear bomb capability, do you?
Did you notice in that previous article link I posted Ali said he was travelling abroad to harm American and British interests?:
Iranian group signing up potential martyrs
U.S. think tank: Iran Reinforcing facilities
Sunday, April 16, 2006
TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Some 200 Iranians have volunteered in the past few days to carry out "martyrdom missions" against U.S. and British interests around the world if Iran is attacked, a hard-line group said Sunday.
The news of potential martyrs came as The Institute for Science and International Security, a U.S. think tank, said Sunday that Iran has expanded its uranium conversion facilities in Isfahan and reinforced its Natanz underground uranium enrichment plant.
Chanting "Death to America" and "Nuclear technology is our right", volunteers registered their names at the former American Embassy in southern Tehran on Sunday.
"We will give a good lesson to those who dare to attack our country," said Ali, a 25-year-old masked volunteer, after filling out registration form.
When asked why he had covered his face, Ali said: "I do not want to be recognized when traveling abroad to harm American and British interests."
The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets if Iran is attacked.
Of course, the fact the Iranians believe Islam will take over the world and they are preparing these suicide bombers for when they are told to deploy against targets their commander (Khamenei) tells them to attack.. could actually include the US as well as Israel, as I quoted that article in the previous post, QUOTE: "The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”... http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2945
Now, what if the goal is to ready these martyrs to go abroad with suitcase nukes.. ??
Isn't this a warning to America and Israel that the suicide bombers are to be equated with nukes?
Doesn't that make each suicide volunteer truly "equal" to a nuclear bomb?
Think about it for just a minute..
What if it is their plan? Where do the Iranians place nuking America on their "to do" list?
Before or after they nuke Israel? At the same time? (What do you think, Carl, board?)
Even the NIE estimate said that Iran could have nukes by 2009 (that is next year).
(Quote from their pdf file: "We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009...")
I dislike the "moderate" confidence part.. that sure is an uncertain view being stated there.. not absolute certainty, is it?
It might be earlier.. or later. These people are, after all, judging from the outside without any weapons inspector allowed in the country.
It is at best a guesstamate.. I do so dislike leaving our fate in the hands of guesstamators.
But, may I ask.. what about the possibility Iran has an ongoing military strategic plan for the Middle East (Iraq and Israel) and for the West (America and Britain) to help "usher in" their Mahdi? One that includes nuclear suitcase bombs? If you allow the possibility..
How probable it will be in our lifetimes? The next twenty years?? The next ten years.. ?? The next two?
Is it probable in your view, Carl.. board?
In April of 2007 MI5's London Headquarters' Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre said they were hearing chatter about a planned "large-scale" terrorist attack "with the help of Iran" against the West. Quote, "The report says there is “no indication” this attack would specifically target Britain." That made me wonder..
A commenter's statement below piqued my interest when he said, My suspicion is that they will wait for Bush to be out of office too.
It fits with the patiently-waiting-and-weaving-carpets scenerio the Iranian spokesman spoke about.
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Leaked Report: Al Qaeda Planning Hiroshima
From the UK’s Sunday Times: Al-Qaeda ‘planning big British attack’
April 22, 2007
Dipesh Gadher
AL-QAEDA leaders in Iraq are planning the first “large-scale” terrorist attacks on Britain and other western targets with the help of supporters in Iran, according to a leaked intelligence report.
Spy chiefs warn that one operative had said he was planning an attack on “a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki” in an attempt to “shake the Roman throne”, a reference to the West.
The report, produced earlier this month and seen by The Sunday Times, appears to provide evidence that Al-Qaeda is active in Iran and has ambitions far beyond the improvised attacks it has been waging against British and American soldiers in Iraq.
The report was compiled by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) - based at MI5’s London headquarters - and provides a quarterly review of the international terror threat to Britain. The report: “Recent reporting has described AQI’s Kurdish network in Iran planning what we believe may be a large-scale attack against a western target.
“A member of this network is reportedly involved in an operation which he believes requires AQ Core authorisation. He claims the operation will be on ‘a par with Hiroshima and Naga-saki’ and will ‘shake the Roman throne’. We assess that this operation is most likely to be a large-scale, mass casualty attack against the West.”
The report says there is “no indication” this attack would specifically target Britain, “although we are aware that AQI . . . networks are active in the UK”.
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This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, April 23rd, 2007.
Comments:
1) wardmama4
Of course the eurowhinnies don’t want to take this seriously - they just might have to admit that there are bad muslims in the World (not to mention europastan itself). . .
And the morning after they will all call on the despised USofA to help ‘em fight back (i.e. lead the War).
It’s coming - until someone has the backbone and guts to stand up the the imam’s puppet Ahmadinejad and slaps Iran back to the 3rd century that they want the entire world to live in.
Funny how all the islamic righteous use computers, media, cell phones and nuclear weapons and of course American dollars while screeding on how despot and vile the West is. No wonder the libs/dems love ‘em - they are both such amoral hypocrites. Who are going to destroy the World if not stopped.
2) Old Grouch
They spout this stuff often enough without doing anything so the West gets indifferent. “Flying Imams”, Target checkout clerks, etc. They want us to dismiss them as harmless. And drop our guard.
3) pigpaws
My suspicion is that they will wait for Bush to be out of office too.
4) sheehanjihad
If in fact Britain was nuked.. in the event of a nuclear terrorist attack on England, to me, that means that we cant be far behind, and as a matter of fact, I cant believe we arent getting it first…it is so much easier to get a weapon into this country, and set it up unhindered, and set it off without being discovered because there is a PC law against stopping terrorists from doing all three!
Stop them at the border…go to jail like our Border Patrol agents. Deny them a place to live or welfare payments…go to jail like most city managers are fighting to stay out of because they passed laws to keep illegals at bay…point out to anyone that muslim men in a building are acting suspicious, go to jail for a hate crime and profiling….yup, the muzzies have it made here! I think the england thing is a ruse, so they can set it off in a large metropolitain area in this country, and laugh with pelosi and reid for getting it done.
5) Old Grouch
As for nuking us, piece of cake: buy or build one, put it in a cargo ship and sail into NY harbor. Then detonate, long before any inspection. No good way to detect at other than very short range, some lead foil makes that even harder. Or maybe the cargo bay of a charter 747. Gonna happen shortly after they get one. (they have said as much)
6) Phil Byler
Sadly, we are going to be dealing with a nuclear adversary at some point, and they will use the bomb. We could avoid the fate, but it would take people throwing the Democrats out of power now. When the terrible days happen, the left wing Democrats must be driven from public life with unending curses.
And just in case we didn't hear it loud enough, this expert opinion says, "Mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad, but an inducement.” in the following article.. well worth the read:
Islamic Historian Warns West Of Global Jihad
From Israel’s Arutz Sheva:
Experts Warn of Global Jihad at Herzliya Conference
Monday, January 22, 2007
Two Islam experts warned participants at the Herzliya Conference on Monday that global jihad is on the rise — and should be taken seriously.
Islamic expert and historian Bernard Lewis spoke back-to-back with former CIA director James Woolsey at the Herzliya Conference Monday, sounding the alarm on the global Jihad and dismissing the concept of a Palestinian state.
“In the self-perception of the Muslim world, their primary identity is to deliver Islam to the world – to not keep it selflessly to themselves but to give it to mankind,” explained Lewis, adding that the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 signified the first major victory in the global Islamic push toward that goal.
“There are competing leaders to take this fight ahead,” he said. “The Sunni Wahabi cause is represented by bin Laden. Another is the Shi’ite version, which began with the first Iranian revolution, and the second Iranian revolution, taking place at this moment. The whole Arab and Muslim world is experiencing the second stage of the Islamic revolution in Iran.
“I have been told by Iranian friends that Ahmadinejad is indeed crazy, but not stupid,” Lewis warned. “He really believes in the end of days that he is heralding. There is a widespread belief among Shi’ites that that time has come. Mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad, but an inducement.”
James Woolsey, former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, addressed the conference next. Unlike many of the speakers, Woolsey, a guest of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs had arrived the previous day and attended nearly all of the conference’s sessions.
Woolsey summarized several opinions that were expressed, lauding UN sanctions, negotiations and the state of the world. “I do not represent a majority view – but on all of these points I beg to differ,” he said.
Woolsey proceeded to lament the fate of Europe, which he sees as already having been compromised in what he calls World War IV – the third having been the Cold War. “I wish we had a partnership with Europe, but I am afraid it is deteriorating,” he explained. “Europe is accommodating Sharia (Islamic law) and becoming increasingly affected by the Muslim demographics in their countries.”
Woolsey said he sees no distinction between the Islamic onslaught in Israel, Iraq or elsewhere. He compared the war against Islamism with that against Nazism and Communism.
As a former director of the world’s largest intelligence agency, Woolsey dismissed claims by Iran and its apologists that the Islamic Republic seeks nuclear capability for peaceful means.
“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”
Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”
Woolsey, like Lewis, warned that the Iranian Shi’ite sect is not the only threat posed by Islam.
“In 1979, with the seizure of the great mosque in Mecca and the rise to power of a Shi’ite theocracy in Iran, a rise in Wahabi-ism took place as well. This was funded largely by the increase in the price of oil. Today, little boys are taught to want to be suicide bombers both in Pakistani madrassas and in the West Bank with Wahabi oil money.”
Woolsey said that those warning against Islam’s push to establish Islamic law across the globe are accused of being Islamophobic. “We are not Islamaphobes,” he said, “but we are theocraphobic."
“We, Jews, Christian and others are inheritors of the rule of law,” he said. “Democracy without the rule of law is a mob and capitalism without democracy is theft. Jefferson said, and it is printed on his memorial: ‘I have sworn on the altar of Almighty G-d eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.’ ”
Asked what role he saw the media playing in the current global plight, Woolsey had harsh criticism for most journalists’ inability to classify religious believers as anything but crazy.
“The media on the whole and certainly in the US is not interested in ideology and does not take it seriously. They tend to think anybody who is religiously motivated about his views is crazy – whether religious Christians, Muslims or Jews. And that is a problem, because you can be absolutely crazy about your objectives and extremely shrewd about your implementation. I think our media on the whole is very ostrich-like on this issue.” …
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This is real news insofar as Bernard Lewis is considered by most people to be the foremost historian of Islam in the world.
Some of his books:
* The Origins of Ismailism (1940)
* The Arabs in History (1950)
* The Emergence of Modern Turkey (1961)
* Istanbul and the Civilizations of the Ottoman Empire (1963)
* The Assassins: A Radical Sect in Islam (1967)
* The Cambridge History of Islam (2 vols. 1970, revised 4 vols. 1978, editor with Peter Malcolm Holt and Ann K.S. Lambton)
* Islam: From the Prophet Muhammad to the capture of Constantinople (1974, editor)
* Race and Color in Islam (1979)
* Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire: The Functioning of a Plural Society (1982, editor with Benjamin Braude)
* The Muslim Discovery of Europe (1982)
* The Jews of Islam (1984)
* Semites and Anti-Semites (1986)
* History — Remembered, Recovered, Invented (1987)
* Islam from the Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople (1987)
* The Political Language of Islam (1988)
* Race and Slavery in the Middle East: an Historical Enquiry (1990)
* Islam and the West (1993)
* Islam in History (1993)
* The Shaping of the Modern Middle East (1994)
* Cultures in Conflict (1994)
* The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years (1995)
* The Future of the Middle East (1997)
* The Multiple Identities of the Middle East (1998)
* A Middle East Mosaic: Fragments of Life, Letters and History (2000)
* Music of a Distant Drum: Classical Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and Hebrew Poems (2001)
* The Muslim Discovery of Europe (2001)
* What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East (2002)
* The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror (2003)
* From Babel to Dragomans: Interpreting the Middle East (2004)
When Mr. Lewis warns about a global jihad, the world should listen.
And of course Mr. Woolsey is no slouch either.
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This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, January 22nd, 2007.
Might I ask the board's views on James Woolsey's comments.. ??
(James Woolsey is former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency)
In particular these comments of his:
“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”
Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”
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Exactly... how do we view Iran and its ambitions for oil and gas in the region?
How do we view Iran saying that it only wants nuclear power for fuel?
And how do we see the movement which DEFINES ITSELF by its stated GOAL of the destruction of the US?
And what about that "Queen" in the chess game.. nukes?
Suitcase nukes? Suicide bombers?
Am I connecting the dots well??
What do you think?
In addition to my posted article please consider the following. Riyadh possess an infastructure. The Monarchy of Saudi Arabia invests some of the revenues from oil sales back into the country.
In contrast, Baghdad does not possess an infastructure. They are currently allowing oil revenues to pile up. It does not appear they are reinvesting this money into reconstruction. In fact, they seem to desire the U.S. pay their reconstruction costs.
We know for certian Sadam did not reinvest in his country. He raped and pillaged it. These are valid reasons why Riyadh is modern and prosperous and Baghdad is backwater.
Sara..
A lot of your above post in regards to Iran relates back to about two years ago when you and I discussed Iran having the intentions of reuniteing the PERSIA OF OLD...They are well on their way and like history of yesterday, the Western population and European Nations set back and allow them to get stronger every day...
It is not a matter of are we going to WAR with IRAN...BUT WHEN WE GO TO WAR WITH IRAN...Unfortunately, we in America have become too fond of American Idol, and trivial diversions to pay any attention to what is happening... Too many want to agree with the Ron Pauls of the World...The party of defeat, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS will run as fast as they can to save their political butts when the Sh-t hits the fan...We have sit back and waited for the ARABS to stop the Iranian Threat to their region, but they have not done so...the next move will come from US if George is still in power...if a New Leader such as Obama or Clinton gets it...we are in deep mud....
I was sadden the other day at the Coast Guard Station, when I overheard the following conversation between some Coast Guardsmen there at the station...
The conversation came about when a News Reporter was talking about Mr. G of New York...One of the guy's stated, just who is he...wasn't he a senator or something? The other replied...Yep! he was Governor of New York...
Need I say more?
True. And the reason there is no progress like we want in Iraq.. politically AND ECONOMICALLY.. (the Dinar) is also Iran.
They just have to gloat about it today:
Ahmadinejad: ”Occupiers” defeated in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine
Posted: 30-01-2008 , 13:51 GMT
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday that the occupiers have been defeated in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine. Addressing a large group of local residents of this southern provincial capital city, he said, "Despite the big powers' attempts to create discord between Iran and the regional nations, friendship and brotherhood have been further deepened and the enemies have been defeated."
Your first post noted that, quote, "The study criticized Iraq's increasing dependence on oil export revenues as a main source of income. According to the 2008 budget, over 85% of Iraq's income is generated by oil exports, which the study said poses great risks to the economy in case of oil price fluctuations."
This is a concern but should not stop the economy from prospering in the present climate.
Indeed, due to the incredibly good price of oil, today they predict a windfall for Iraq:
Iraq 'set for oil price windfall'
Wednesday, 30 January 2008
Increasing oil production and higher oil prices mean Iraq could be set for an influx of extra money towards reconstruction, a report has said. Iraq could get an extra $15bn (£7.5bn) from its oil in 2008, special inspector general Stuart W Bowen Jnr said.
But the report said greater efforts were needed to establish how the money would be used, and to fight the corruption which eats into oil revenue.
Oil revenue makes up about 84% of Iraq's national revenue.
"The possible rise in Iraq's revenue emphasises the need for the government of Iraq to pursue its fight against corruption with renewed vigour," the report added.
But the problem is, as you point out, "Baghdad does not possess an infastructure. They are currently allowing oil revenues to pile up. It does not appear they are reinvesting this money into reconstruction. In fact, they seem to desire the U.S. pay their reconstruction costs."
This corresponds with what Carl and I have been discussing on the board.. the fact Iran has them hornswoggled into seeing this as a war between Islam and the wicked West.. and that means making the "infidels" pay for everything and thwarting the US designs economically and politically. Frankly, Iran has won so long as it can muster enough "friendship and brotherhood" in the region.. and votes in the Iraqi parliament.. to stop the US intentions to make Iraq prosperous and free market.
As Carl has said again and again.. Iran will NOT allow Iraq to become a free democracy on its doorstep. As long as it has the cooperation and good will of its neighbors, as Ahmadinejad said today.. the US has lost the long term war. Quote: "Despite the big powers' attempts to create discord between Iran and the regional nations, friendship and brotherhood have been further deepened and the enemies have been defeated."
They play a good game of chess, allowing the US to take all the expense and get none of the economic benefit.
Wait til they decide to use their queen... (remember what the queen is? nukes.)
"The Iranian nation.. has today ... set up the complete cycle of fuel production."
A historic day this day... for sure.
Sara.
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Iran sees nuclear power this time next year
Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:29am EST
By Zahra Hosseinian and Parisa Hafezi
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran expects to have its own nuclear-generated electricity by this time next year and will not bow to Western pressure to halt uranium enrichment, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday.
Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Bushehr that Iran was approaching the peak of its nuclear programprograme.
Iran's planned first nuclear power plant is sited close to Bushehr. The plant would begin test operations by late October, a senior official said on Wednesday, two days after Russia completed fuel deliveries to the site.
The West suspects Iran's nuclear activities are ultimately aimed at building weapons. Iran, the world's fourth-largest crude oil producer, says it only wants to generate electricity...
Ahmadinejad said Iran would not halt its disputed uranium enrichment work, technology which can have both civilian and military purposes.
"If you (the West) imagine that the Iranian nation will back down you are making a mistake," he said in a televised speech.
Moscow and Washington say the Russian fuel deliveries should convince Tehran to shut down its uranium enrichment program, but Iran has refused to stop.
Iran says it needs to produce nuclear fuel domestically as it wants to build other power plants as part of a planned network with a capacity of 20,000 megawatts by 2020 to satisfy soaring electricity demand.
Enriched uranium can be used for making nuclear fuel and also, if refined much further, provide material for bombs.
Ahmadinejad called on Western powers to take part in building Iranian nuclear power plants.
"If you don't, this nation will build nuclear plants with the hands of its own scientists," he said. "The Iranian nation, without depending on you and without begging you, has today ... set up the complete cycle of fuel production."
It appears we are in a stalemate. A U.S. led attack on Iran may be the only means by which this stalemate is broken.
If I were President and chose to attack Iran. I would probably limit my attack to air strikes. I am not sure we can sustain our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq if we also put ground troops in Iran. There are certain key targets and installations I would strike first.
1. Tehran University
2. Electrical Grid
3. Poison their water
4. Destroy all bridges and roads in order to cut off supplies.
5. All Military installations
6. Government buildings
7. Bunker busting bombs to take out their Nuclear facilities.
Unlike Iraq, an attack on Iran must be with the goal to annihilate them. After their utter destruction, I would send in some ground forces to bury the Iranian dead in hogs blood.
Two things:
(1) I have not seen the buying & selling of Dinar quotes for some time. What have I missed?
(2) I just read a book by Joel Rosenburg entitled "Epicenter". Mr. Rosenburg helped write the Rush Limbaugh newsletter during the early 90's, has worked for the Heritage Foundation, Jack Kemp, Netanyaho, & others. (google his name)In his book, based on his inside info and research, Hamas (funded by Iran) has the ability to launch a scud missle from a container on a container ship. There are hundreds of these container ships chugging around the world on any given day. A nuclear tipped scud would be capable of hitting any U.S. city within 200 miles of the coast. The largest part of our U.S. population lives within 200 miles of the coast. Such a missle could be launched & be on target long before & military could react. As to when would be anybody's guess, & only a guess. Could they try & influence our elections like they did in Spain?
Just food for thought.
They certainly have the WILL to do such a nuclear tipped scud attack. They have the stated goals of destroying Israel and the US. They believe they are ushering in the Mahdi by doing so.. an admirable thing in their religion. Their anti-Semitism and genocidal views have been so blatant lately that Canada pulled out of a UN conference because of it.. this was two days ago. Bet you didn't hear about it from the MSM, though. (Remember the saying that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? Ever seen Schindler's List?) Here is that deal:
Canada: U.N. Anti-Racism Conference a 'Gong Show' of Hatred, Bigotry
By Terry Trippany
January 28, 2008 - 15:33 ET
The mainstream media turned a deaf ear to Canada's conservative government as they withdrew support for a United Nations led anti-racism conference on charges that the conference itself is a "a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry". One Canadian official called the U.N. Durban II conference a "gong show" as Ottawa withdrew all support in protest of the escalating rhetoric against Israel. This of course comes as no surprise considering that the United Nations, in all its limited wisdom, elected Libya to chair the conference, Cuba as the vice chair and named Iran to the organizing committee. Quote:
The so-called Durban II conference “has gone completely off the rails” and Canada wants no part of it, said Jason Kenney, secretary of state for multiculturalism and Canadian identity.
“Canada is interested in combatting racism, not promoting it,” Mr. Kenney told The Canadian Press. “We'll attend any conference that is opposed to racism and intolerance, not those that actually promote racism and intolerance.
“Our considered judgment, having participated in the preparatory meetings, was that we were set for a replay of Durban I. And Canada has no intention of lending its good name and resources to such a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry.”
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Not one mainstream media newspaper outlet bothered to cover Canada's walk out with any in depth analysis despite this being an election year where foreign policy in the Middle East, the politics of race and racism and the war against radical Islam are key issues. Instead most outlets deferred to the brief feeds of the AP, Reuters and the AFP to provide scant mention. The New York Times managed to miss the story altogether; feed or otherwise.
Notable events that escaped the scrutiny of the majority of the selectively scrutinizing members of the news media:
- The next two key preparatory meetings have been scheduled on the Jewish holidays of Passover and Yom Kippur. This is a deliberate move by organizers to prevent Israeli officials from participating.
- Iran has been named to the organizing committee despite statements from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that repeatedly calls for the destruction of Israel.
- The U.N. Human Rights Council was created to reform the United Nations Commission on Human Rights yet 14 of it's 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations were against Israel according to statements by Canada.
- The United Nations held its first World Conference Against Racism in Durban way back in 2001. That conference was marred by anti-Semitic bigotry that eventually led the United States Israel to walk out of the conference. Some non-governmental organizations had been reported to have posted pro-Hitler posters yet each of the non-governmental organizations that were invited to the 2001 conference have been invited back to Durban II.
The most complete accounting I could find came from the Canadian Press as found in the Globe and Mail which said,
The 2001 World Conference Against Racism in Durban turned into “a circus of intolerance,” Mr. Kenney said.
Arab and Muslim countries ganged up in their criticisms of Israel. Israel and the United States walked out in protest; the Liberal government of the day remained in an effort to decry the attacks.
With Libya elected to chair the next gathering, Cuba appointed vice-chair and rapporteur, and anti-Israel rhetoric and actions building, Mr. Kenney said his government was left with no choice but to abandon the preparatory process for the followup meeting.
B'nai Brith Canada applauded the government, saying Durban I “degenerated into a hate-fest directed at Israel and the Jewish delegates attending the conference.”
The group's executive vice-president, Frank Dimant, said Ottawa has acted “clearly and decisively by refusing to participate in a venue that pays lip service to anti-racism but in fact provides a platform for the promotion of hatred and bigotry.”
Mr. Kenney noted important preparatory meetings have been called on Jewish high holidays, preventing Israeli officials from participating.
The UN gave planning oversight for the conference to its Human Rights Council, which has targeted Israel in 14 of its 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations in its first two years of existence.
“We've tried to influence it so that we would not revisit the overt expressions of hatred which came out of the original conference,” said Mr. Kenney. “But we unfortunately ran into a brick wall.
“The process has been hijacked by those who would seek to replay the terrible experience of the first Durban conference.”
Iran was named to the organizing committee, Mr. Kenney noted.
“This is a country whose government has publicly expressed its desire to eliminate the only Jewish country in the world,” he said.
Furthermore, all of the non-governmental organizations invited to the first conference have been invited back to the second, including those that were at the “forefront of the hatred,” some of which posted pro-Hitler posters at the 2001 gathering.
The statements by the Canadian government are damning indeed. They come at a time when liberal Democrats are calling for U.S. law to be diluted by international standards. These standards would no doubt be influenced by the same world wide bodies that allow human rights abusers and state sponsors of racism and terrorism to prop up their anti-Semitic views with the legitimacy of world governments behind them. That news is as important today as it should have been in the not so distant past when such actions were ignored to the detriment of millions who died to prevent this from ever happening again.
Terry Trippany is the editor and publisher of Webloggin.
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1) Got to love those western Canucks by Lame Cherry
People need to be aware that Canada is allot like America in all the crazy liberals are in the east and far left coast, but the rest of the country is Mom and Pop apple pie.
Canada has it's own Rush Limbaugh named Charles Adler and he is hillarious and brilliant. If you ever get a feed out of CJOB Winnipeg give that station a listen as it is all Conservative and the reason Americans love Canada.
Back to the Gong Show lol
2) Hooray for Canada! bigtimer
Hooray for Canada!
When are we going to ever get out of the diabolic thieving dictatorship of the UN...oil for food just one example.
The msm mum on this...NO SURPRISE here...disgusting yes!
Doncha' know the msm or the papers just have more important things to repeat over and over instead of taking a few minutes to report something like this... we pay the majority of the salaries/funding of this filthy organization..we should have a candidate that wants us out of it too....
I know...when pigs fly I guess...
Thanks Mr. Trippany for this great information.
3) Shocka!!! by Mr. Kafir
The world still hates the Jews. Who would have guessed that after 5000 years as a people, we Jews are just like Rodney Dangerfield. No respect, I tells ya. We don't get any respect at all!!!!
4) The only by oregon_jiim
group that the MSM will protect more than the democrat party is the UN/world government types.
After reading this I am going to have to stop flicking Canadians so much $h!t. At least for a week.
Question: If the world hates America so much for electing GWB, why have France, Germany and Canada gotten considerably more conservative in the last 7 years?
"an endorsement of communism is an endorsement of slavery"
5) Finally, a bit of positive by Lancasters Saved Us
Finally, a bit of positive press (at least here) for the Deranged Dominion. IMHO, the Harper government has a bit in common with John Howard's Aussie admininstration in terms of making an effort to do what is right, even when there is a price to pay. Quebec is very un supportive of our mission in Afghanistan, and the Tories have a lot on the line by staying in the thick of Khandahar, with a large (By defanged Cdn standards) Quebec contingent. (The Van Doo's) Anyway, glad to read about a bit of back bone that replaces the last 30 plus years of wishy washyness. The first small step in disengaging from this crooked institution. My fav radio in the North is the John Oakley show 6-10 Am. This guy is as clear thinking a Canuck as our beloved Mark Steyn. (http://www.640toronto.com/
6) Let us not forget that by alamojb
Let us not forget that there are efforts in the UN to set up two "Human Rights" Standards.
One would apply in Muslim countries, where Islam would be recognized as the Dominant religion over all others according to Sharia Law.
The other Standard would apply in non muslim Countries where it would be illegal to defame Islam.
Hence the UN is on the road to elevating Islam to be THE World Religion.
Of course, dhimmis like Truthmonger will try to claim that Sharia Law is not really Islamic, Jizya taxes are not really Islam, etc.
7) par for the course with the UN by UndercoverConservative
whether it's selling it's votes for oil shares, ignoring genocides in Darfur, stripping weapons only from citizens while allowing hostile governments leeway (small arms reduction), or promoting Islamic and Socialist ideals (more oil money talking), the UN is the non-elected, non-representative (of the People) International Organization you can always count on to provide that crushing heel on the back of Freedom's neck.
Death, taxes, UN shafting. Who says there's no consistency in the world today? :P
I am not physically of the Jewish race, Unfortunately.
It would be a great privilege to be a Jew (Israelite) according to the flesh.
The Apostle Paul wrote:
Rom 3:1 What advantage then has the Jew? ...
Rom 3:2 Much in every way: chiefly, because that to them were committed the oracles of God.
It is, therefore, an advantage to be of that chosen race.
What is more, the person I most adore and serve - even worship - is Jesus Christ.
And Jesus (in his man-part of Him) was a Jew.
How a person can claim to be a follower of the person considered God come to earth in physical form..
and hate the race that spawned that fleshly body is beyond me.
I could not consider such a person a true and faithful follower of Jesus Christ.
How could they say they know Him and hate his race.. his entire family, his mother Mary,
His adopted father Joseph, His disciples.. all were Jews.
Jesus lived and died.. a religious, God-fearing Jew.
He is my Lord, Savior, Master and God.
And I am not ashamed of His people.
Paul in the New Testament took up his pen to write that the Jews are His people in this passage:
Rom 11:1 I say then, Has God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Believing, therefore, that the Jewish race is still God's people and He has not cast them away..
I do see this anti-Semitism as a direct attack upon the people of God.
And an act of the devil.. of Satan, an act of evil toward God Himself and the people He calls His own. To be in that crowd is to oppose God Himself.
I cannot see that course of action ever being blessed.. even as Hitler was not blessed.
Nor will it prevail (see the outcome of World War II).
If we are now to repeat the mistakes of recent history..
Eventually this evil will be defeated... but at what cost to the Jew?
Or to those who stand for what is right alongside the Jews.
Yet.. would you stand WITH Hitler against the Jews?
Or with these new Hitler endorsers (did you note the Hitler posters they had at the conference?)...
these who stand in the same place Hitler once did - in now wishing the destruction of the Israelite nation?
You have to choose.. America will have to choose.
I know I have decided which side I am on.. to the death if called for.
Have you decided if you will be like those among the German people who let Hitler kill the Jews?
The MSM appears to have sold out like that.. and now opposes the Jews (judging by their silence and words/actions).
Are you with them in their intolerance and where it inevitably must lead to?
The cost could be heavy.. but what is the right thing to do?
As they say.. "What would Jesus do?"
To me, that is a no-brainer question.
1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from Him, That he who loves God love his brother also.
(see also Luke 10:30 -37 - the parable of the Good Samaritan and Matt 5:43-48 on loving even enemies.)
God is love. (1 John 4:8)
Sara.
PS My apologies to any of Jewish descent who do not like the term Jew but prefer Israelite.
I know it offends some.. no offense was intended.
You know, Rob N, I thought President Bush would go to war against Iran, too.
Everyone seems to have thought so.
As Carl said, it isn't really a question of IF we go, but when.
I think the President sees the writing on the wall and that it is inevitable.
But I think polls like the one IRAN commissioned helped to breed distrust
(THAT was the whole point of it, I am sure) and so helped secure their freedom from intrusion.
The Iranians get to make nukes in the dark.. and we get to confront them -
AFTER they strike American soil.. and when less of a military man is in power, perhaps.
Your plan is aggressive and would do the job.. for sure.
I am sure the military commanders too, when given a free hand, will do a good job, under God.
The problem has been they are not being given that free hand.
I think Iran's strategy, including using that poll to take down confidence in President Bush..
and supporting the whacko conspiracy theorists and opposition Democrats.. has taken its toll.
People lament as to why Hitler wasn't taken out early.
Now we watch a repeat of history.. and living through it, we know why.
Bush Targets Iraq Fears, Vows to Confront Iran when Threatened
Beirut, 29 Jan 08, 09:46
U.S. President George Bush, in his final State of the Union address, has urged the Americans to stay patient with the long war in Iraq and vowed to "confront" Iran where necessary.
Bush, who used the annual speech in 2003 to lump Saddam Hussein's Iraq with Iran and North Korea in an "axis of evil," urged Tehran to freeze uranium enrichment that Washington fears is a prelude to a nuclear arsenal, and to stop backing extremists abroad.
"America will confront those who threaten our troops, we will stand by our allies, and we will defend our vital interests in the Persian Gulf," he warned.(AP-AFP-Naharnet)
IRANIAN OFFICIAL DOWNPLAYS IMPORTANCE OF UN SANCTIONS...
Deputy Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mohammadi told ISNA on January 30 that a third round of UN sanctions on Iran's nuclear program would probably not have much "depth" and is designed to maintain Western credibility. "America and Britain insist there should be a resolution and also want a consensus, but Russia and China are not in favor of a resolution that has depth and does damage," he said, adding that Iran will wait and see the "depth" of the resolution before deciding on its response. Separately, right-wing parliamentarian Mohammad Hussein Farhangi said in Tehran on January 30 that Iran would have no choice but to leave the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) if "sanctions continue to be issued" against its program, ISNA reported. He said if there are doubts about the International Atomic Energy Agency's "goodwill" and Iran's rights are not protected, "our presence in the agency and the NPT will not benefit our country and...interests." VS
...AS LAWMAKER DENOUNCES U.S. PRESIDENT'S STATEMENTS ON IRAN
A member of the parliamentary National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, Rashid Jalali-Jafari, warned on January 30 that Iran would not be the only country harmed if "America lights another fire in the Persian Gulf," ISNA reported. He told the news agency that U.S. President George W. Bush's recent comments on Iran in his State of the Union address were surp
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