Iraqi Dinar Discussion 1/28/2008 to ...

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Sara wrote:

Have we forgotten?

I have heard people say that we went to war only for the oil in Iraq. That isn't the way I remember it.

I remember what happened and how it transpired. I remember watching President Bush go to the 911 twin-towers site and straighten up from examining the debris and get that determined look on his face.. and I remember those in the Congress who said the US wouldn't stand around and wait for another hit but would take the fight to the enemy. And I see today the US is at war, but the homeland remains casualty free, by God's Grace and good leadership since that day. If the US had not gone to war, they would now be blaming the President for the casualties on US soil, instead of blaming him for the few thousand who have sacrificed their lives on foreign soil that we might be safe here at home. Either way, he had a tough choice to make. I think he made the right one.

I will never believe it was all a predetermined plan to go to war against Iraq, nor a conspiracy to get an oil supply.. because I watched, I saw, the people on those days. And they may have removed the coverage of those events and tried to erase it from our minds.. but it is written large on some of our hearts. They are not forgotten, nor the fact it was a wakeup call which has to be faced down or lost. Oil was not the primary consideration then.. no matter what others with questionable motives may say.

Those who would pull out of Iraq before the Iraqis can stand without assistance on their own soil are cowards, plain and simple. And they have forgotten. I pray the US public won't follow in the footsteps of such cowardice when the legacy the country of the United States has is bravery and self sacrifice - not carnality and murder - and all the other underserved accusations the left makes against the military and religious.

This is a clip worth watching..
only a couple months old, but the most excellent presentation I have ever seen of a song etched in many hearts..
mine included:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h6HOniP-sZw

In the midst of this election cycle.. have we forgotten how we got here?
Are we so foolish as to let those with an ideological agenda dictate to us what to believe - rewriting and distorting the very history we lived through and saw with our own eyes? They cast aspersions with no serious proof, which is nothing else but slander.. well, in politics it may be allowed by men, but I thank God that He will judge it on a moral basis where their political excuses won't count - one day. No matter what they deceived others for, power, fame, the Whitehouse?.. the judgement will be perfectly just and rightly measured on Judgement Day. And for those gullible enough to buy into these incredibly dumb conspiracy theories.. God deliver them from being blind leaders of the blind.

Sara.

-- January 28, 2008 5:59 PM


Valerio wrote:

Thank You DinarAdmin,

Sara,
I have not forgotten! Sadly, it seems that much of our people have forgotten.

In the end, all those who had a hand in the attack of 9/11 will be brought down, and totally destroyed, and their lands will be left desolate forever.


-- January 28, 2008 8:54 PM


Roger wrote:

Hi all,

Wow, a new scratchpad, cool, thanks admin.

I am still doing the process of getting my rear end over to Iraq, but it will take some time, the companies sending people over there wants to make sure they're not sending a problem, so so far, am heavily into doing aptitude tests, dental exams, x-rays, and a long line of background checks, more stuff to follow.

Yes the original idea when investing in this venture was to make a quick buck on a soon to come RV.

As time went ahead, I think we have educated ourselves quite a bit on Arabian culture, and the viewpoint we had in the beginning is exchanged for a more understanding idea why things are as they are over there.

It is pretty much agreed upon amongst scholars that the population on this continent didn't see ourselves as "Americans" until after the Civil War.

Before that we were Virginians, Carolina's, Texans, and Pennsylvanians.

Iraq as we see it, a county amongst other Arab countries, have the distinction of never having to existed until only about a hundred years back from now.

Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Dubai to take some other examples, they were a functioning societies before the Westerns carving of the territories. Perhaps not with the idea that we have, "Equality, Liberty and Brotherhood", but still, a very old set up of rules and regulation that have been stedfast for thousands of years over there.

Iraq had the misfortune of being carved out by the Brits, and have since experienced British rule, a King set on a throne (runned by the Brits) sheiks running their own sphere of influence in the territory, a short burst of kings again, and then a tyrant that acted beyond belief.

Would we be surprised if the Iraqis don't really see themselves as Iraqis just yet?

For us it was so easy to imagine, we have our system, our taxes, our institutions, we vote them in and we vote them out, we air our grievances in media, and even if we bitch about it, we use the justice system and trust it. The whole system is criss crossed by freeways, both physical and cyber.

If we send something along a freeway, we expect it to be treated in a certain way, and we have the conduct to handle a received particle as well.

From that viewpoint, we went ahead and removed Saddam, and had the idea that everything was going to be just dandy after that. Who would think of anything otherwise, his rule made sure that a couple of buses filled with people of all ages and genders went into the desert into the night, to be returned empty in the morning.

Remove him and we will have it all nice and ducky.

Not to be, the interim minister Malawi stated that even the Iraqis themselves did not forecast the uprising. Evidently there was a lot of old grievances that bubbled up to the surface, the only time in the whole history when they were free, and the emotions from old wrongs, just came up, nothing held them down no more.

In a sense, with all the destruction from the uprising(some say civil war), It maybe was something necessary for the Iraqi nation to happen, in order to evolve, and mature into a true nation.

Some have set aside things like the new flag, as something very unimportant, but it can't be for the Iraqis.

Three different ethnic and cultures are slowly coming together under one flag, and it will not come within a week or so, it will take some time. The Iraqis, still in many aspects are not united, but are Shiite, Sunnis, Kurds first and for all. This in the same manners as we were Virginians, Texans and New Yorkers.

The amount of uprisings and unruly population in the Americas in the early part of our history will reflect pretty much the Iraqis search for identity. If we were dissatisfied with something, we marched on it, made a posse, burned, looted and behaved very much like the Iraqi population.

It would be wrong to count Iraq as a 100 year old country, because the Iraqis themselves have not lived in their "own" country, until now.

About now is the first time they have something they can call their own.

Their loyalties have to be straightened up, as smaller groups and factions, religious and cultural, may it be Mullahs or Sheiks, still have strong historical ties. All this ties have served the Iraqis well in their survival in the past, and have been served with honor and loyalty.

New ways are making inroads, cellphones, TV, Internet, Radio and other media, that are showing the Iraqis that there is a completely different universe outside their own old ways, and here as well as there, change is dangerous as we all know our old ways, but don't know how to control or survive in the new ways.

We see with disbelief when a young Arab boy are waving his AK, doing it his way, and wonder why he doesn't do it our way, get a girl and go to the Drive In instead.

They'll get there, but remember we ourselves were not even Americans until 1865.

-- January 28, 2008 11:30 PM


Roger wrote:

Fire in the CBI building,

There have been a pretty significant fire in the Central Bank of Iraq. What this will mean is hard to say right now, but according to the reports, the staff was back today again, and continued it's work, so it is fair to say that even though it was a significant fire, it didn't stop the CBI from functioning.

Of course, this will as well as the UFO ,Kennedy assassination, and the first moon landing, spawn conspiracies.

The best that possibly could come out of this situation is if the CBI would declare that a big amount of IQD's was destroyed, and there is no intention to replace them.

"Fire sale on Dinars" naaa. don't think that would happen, but I wouldn't mind some being destroyed.

Currency destroyed are routinely just replaced with new ones.

Did read some fire breathing reports from an author lately, that he declared that the US presses are working day and night pressing Dollars in the Trillions. He wrote this statement in a way that he is "uncovering" something.

Hah, bills are not lasting that long, and are routinely replaced, and the prints are in fact making Trillions. The fact that they are making Trillions of Dollar doesn't mean anything.

They HAVE to make Trillions of Dollar to replace the old bills, that are routinely destroyed.

Open up your wallet, I just did, and you will find that most of the bills you have in your wallet are made after the year of 2000, (I actually found ONE bill made in 1999). Scarcely you will find an old bill, and if you do, you will immediately notice it, because they are so rare.

Paper bills don't last long, and have to be reprinted.

The whole currency are reprinted over and over again, but the currency that is destroyed are replaced Dollar by Dollar, and that's the whole story about it, nothing exciting to "disclose, unveil or uncover" about it.

I am a bit unsure however about the Iraqi currency, as they started out with a completely new batch of currency, and probably had a reserve of currency to replace their worn out bills.

The reserve is probably used now, at least for the smaller denominations, that is in daily circulation, that by this time must have started to show wear and tear, and re-prints for replacement would not be impossible or unlikely, it is just a matter of how much new bills they started up with, and how much they kept as reserve in the beginning.

I am just writing this for you to take into account if there are new "theories" on how much IQD's are in or out of the vaults in Iraq. Currency replacements are normal, and there's no mumbo jumbo in it. Swap one Dollar with another one, burn one and issue the other, that's it.

Of course, a very big difference would be if suddenly a LOT of Dinars burned up, ...like in this fire.. and they decide on not replacing it, then they will make IQD's rare, and more valuable, but they don't need to have measures like a fire in the Central Bank in order to manipulate the value of the Dinar, that is completely unnecessary.

I strongly doubt that there will be any statement that uses this fire as an explanation or excuse to change the direction of which the IQD is managed by the CBI, but I am sure that many CBI officials have a lot of their own thoughts and are kicking ideas around.

What an opportunity.

Doubtful, but by all means, watch the CBI statements in the close future, they might come up with something fun.

-- January 29, 2008 12:06 AM


Roger wrote:

Each generation had it's own battle cry.

"Remember the Maine"

"Remember Pearl Harbor"

"Remember 9/11"

During the WW2 the "Remember Pearl Harbor" was etched, repeated and told over and over.

The war took quite some time, and had a heavy toll on men. They were living in makeshift barracks and had a life far away from their loved ones.

In a bar in one of the bases, "over there" was a big bra hanging, framed, and with the inscription:

"Remember Pearl Olsen?"

-- January 29, 2008 12:20 AM


Sara wrote:

Thanks, Valerio.

We have gained so much ground.. I pray to God that it will not be lost.

As Roger pointed out, some of it is growing pains just like the US has gone through.

You just don't walk away from a newly formed young nation before it can stand on its own.

Thank you both for your insights and understanding.

Sara.

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Hasty pullout could doom Iraq, says Bush

Updated at: 0900 PST, Tuesday, January 29, 2008

WASHINGTON: President George W. Bush, rebuffing election-year pressures on Iraq, warned Monday that a hasty US troop pullout would leave hard-earned political and security progress there in ruins.

"Members of Congress: Having come so far, and achieved so much, we must not allow this to happen," Bush told a skeptical global audience in his annual final State of the Union speech.

Bush, facing pressure from the US public and leading Democratic White House hopefuls to change course, declared: "Any further drawdown of US troops will be based on conditions in Iraq and the recommendations of our commanders."

The president quoted the top US military commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, as warning that a premature withdrawal would lead to "disintegration" of Iraq's security force, Al-Qaeda regaining ground, and increased violence.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=36261

-- January 29, 2008 12:21 AM


Roger wrote:

Al qaeda and other destructive forces in the Middle east,

US have made new requests to the Pakistani leader Musharraf, to extend the US operation in Pakistan, but have been denied sharply that request.

Pakistan have recently been the object of attacks, in the form of bombs and assassinations in Pakistan, taking a pretty big toll on the Pakistanis.

There are pretty much two courses to take here, go ahead without the Pakistanis consent and battle Al qaeda in Pakistan,
or,
Do as what happened in Iraq, let Al qaeda do a lot of bombings and assassinations, until the population get tired of these murderers running around screaming "God is Great".

Right now the Pakistanis have a pretty naive view of the battle with Al qaeda, the majorities of the Pakistanis have the idea that this is not their war, but it is the US war with Al qaeda. (this according to surveys)

This despite the fact that these murderers are running around bombing and shooting the Pakistani population trying to intimidate them to submission.

Perhaps it would be better to try to keep the war on a winning foot in Afghanistan, leaving only Pakistan for Al qaeda to operate in, and as the Pakistanis themselves don't consider that this is their war, let them have it, until they figure out where the actual war is taking place.

-- January 29, 2008 12:37 AM


Sara wrote:

911 and the Conspiracy Theorists

When 911 happened, in light of the devastating tragedy unfolding in the news and as the nation was in shock and reeling from the hit.. as casualty reports were coming in and we saw on the news people in the Middle East rejoicing and shouting praise to their god allah over the deaths of good and innocent American civilians, I came before the LORD in prayer and I asked Him what He would do about our safety. And He said, "I will give other men's lives for you."

And there isn't one casualty taken in fighting against the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists - be it male or female, American or coalition - that I don't think of the Lord's words and appreciate that the sacrifice they have made was for ME.. for us, for the public safety here at home. We felt like sitting ducks in a barrel, with madmen standing outside of the barrel with a shotgun in their hands at the ready. And when the President and Congress TOGETHER approved the action in Iraq, it was with the safety of the nation before their mind's eyes, not Iraqi oil wealth. It was a fulfillment of "I will give other men's lives for you." - for our safety and the security of the homeland - and not for self-centered and greed-filled purposes.

These conspiracy theorists malign and defame the best who God has offered up for our safety's sake, and their faulty judgement will not prevail in the final scrutiny of what has happened. History truly is HIS-story, and these conspiracy whackos who do not know Him or consider the operation of His hands over the affairs of men will never be just or justified in that Day of Judgement when He will judge all of mankind. Even if (IF) the majority of Democrats believe the conspiracy theorists, they only show how incredibly deceived they are, not the rightness of their judgement.

Sara.

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Summary of the Conspiracy Theorist problems and the vast camp of them among the Democrats, using a few articles and INCLUDING one important one implicating IRAN in taking biased polls for its own reasons (CARL and ROGER - do note the Iran connection as it is relevant to our Dinar investment.. any comment? My edits for brevity in the articles, still pretty long):

Democrats Think Bush Knew About 9/11 Attacks in Advance?
James Joyner
Saturday, May 5, 2007

A Rasmussen survey finds that, “Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.” Put another way, 61% of Democrats think it possible that the president knew about the attacks and did nothing. He was aware that, at minimum, the hundreds of people aboard those four airliners would die and he went calmly off to read “My Pet Goat” to some children?

Ed Morrissey (who, oddly, has a Rasmussen membership) takes a look at the crosstabs and notes that, “A clear majority of independents had no problem clearing Bush. Only 18% of them believe that Bush had advance knowledge of the attack, and 25% are unsure.”

Pejman Yousefzadeh said that “if you actually buy into the belief that the President knew about the attacks in advance, or that the CIA knew, given the evidence that we have after multiple investigations . . . well . . . I’m really not sure there is anything on Earth I can argue to change your mind.”

John Hawkins has no problem at all believing Democrats are “conspiracy loons” or, indeed, “Crazed, Drooling Nutjobs.” Has has a point, though, when he adds, “if people who know better don’t speak up, they allow the crazies to dominate the conversation by default and the public may not know the difference.”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/05/democrats_believe_bush_knew_about_911_attacks_in_advance/

Liberal Media Matters responds with the leftwing view of the poll...

Several conservative commentators have touted the results of an April 20-May 1 Rasmussen Results poll question -- which was itself ambiguous -- to accuse a substantial percentage of Democrats of believing that President Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and deliberately did nothing to stop them. According to Rasmussen Reports, respondents were asked, "Did Bush know about the 9/11 attacks in advance?" According to the poll: "Thirty-five percent of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 18% believe the President knew and 57% take the opposite view."

In his May 15 nationally syndicated column, titled "Just How Crazy Are the Dems?" National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg claimed that the poll found Democrats "are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance," and declared that "a majority of Democrats in this country are out of their gourds." Yet as Goldberg himself admitted, the poll question was ambiguous. As Goldberg said, "Many Democrats are probably merely saying that Bush is incompetent or that he failed to connect the dots or that they're just answering in a fit of pique." In other words, respondents could have been merely saying that Bush received ample warning of possible attacks.

Others have also touted this poll saying some Democratic voters are delusional conspiracy theorists.

- On the May 7 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly characterized the poll question as having said that "35 percent of American Democratic voters believe President Bush knew about the 9-11 attacks in advance and allowed them to happen." He later claimed that it indicated that "35 percent of Democratic voters believe that President Bush stood by and allowed 3,000 Americans to die on the streets." O'Reilly repeatedly referred to this as "madness," and claimed, "Sane people do not make that kind of leap."

- On the May 7 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh claimed that according to the poll, "35 percent of this country's Democrats think that there was a government conspiracy about this and allowed these attacks to happen." He asserted that due to the poll, that "it's no longer funny to call [Democrats] kooks and freaks and so forth. This is -- they are deranged, dangerously uninformed, misinformed, or what have you." He continued: "The Democrat Party is not mainstream. It is literally a bunch of deranged, delusional radicals." Limbaugh postulated the poll results were due to the influence of the American news media and education system, which had "poison[ed] people's minds" against Bush since the attacks of 9-11.

- In a May 9 post to his blog at townhall.com, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Medved claimed that according to this poll, "a stunning 61% of Democrats believed that the President of the United States may well have collaborated in the murder of 3,000 of his fellow citizens." He cited this poll as proof of "Democratic paranoia and conspiracy mongering," which he asserted "pushes the party to the lunatic fringe and leftwing edge of national opinion."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200705160001

-- January 29, 2008 9:40 AM


Sara wrote:

I had to split the post in two or it would not post.. but this is very interesting and worth considering because IRAN is very much an interested party to Iraq and the Dinar fortunes.. Was it that the "unsure" Democrats from the last poll moved over in this poll to the belief of 911 being an inside job, or are they faked and biased results sponsored by IRAN with the help of the radical 911 "truther" whackos? And if they are faked and biased results.. why? What is the motive of Iran in doing this?
You decide:

“9/11″ Zogby Poll Was Commissioned By Iran
By now you have probably heard of the results of the recent Zogby poll (click for pdf file), which claims that 42% of Americans believe Bush either caused 9/11 or let it happen.

From Press TV:

Poll: US gov’t knew about 9/11 attacks
Tue, 11 Sep 2007

A new poll indicates that some 43 percent of Americans believe that Washington knew about the 9/11 attacks but did nothing to stop them.

According to the Press TV-Zogby International poll, 42.5 percent of the respondents believed that the Bush Administration knew about the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center but did nothing to prevent the attacks.

Only 37.5 percent of the respondents strongly disagreed with the idea and 4.5 percent neither agreed nor disagreed with it.

Among the members of the armed forces who participated in the poll nearly 44 percent said that the US government had known about the plans for 9/11 attacks with 37.2 strongly disagreeing with it.

The poll also indicates that a majority of Americans (56.3 percent), including the members of US armed forces, support the idea that the Bush Administration used the September 11 attacks as an excuse to push ahead with its own agenda, particularly in the Middle East and only 27.1 percent of respondents disagreed with it.

Some 1006 people across the US were questioned by pollsters and the margin of error was +/- 3.2.

===end quote==

But what you may not have realized is that the poll was “commissioned” by Press TV, which is owned and operated by the Iranian government.

From Wikipedia:

Press TV
PRESS TV is an English language international television news channel which is funded by the Iranian government, based in Tehran and broadcasts in English on a round-the-clock schedule. With 26 international correspondents and more than 400 staff around the world, its stated mission is to offer a different and unbiased view of the world events…

==end quote==

This work by Zogby on Iran’s behalf may even be illegal, since American businesses have been restricted from dealing with Iran (pdf file) because of its sponsorship of terrorism. Although some of these sanctions have been subsequently relaxed.

But even if the Iranian sponsorship of this poll wasn’t illegal it is highly questionable.

And of course one wonders what was the purpose of Iran commissioning such a poll at this time in the first place?

And how many polls have they commissioned previously?

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25 Responses to ““9/11″ Zogby Poll Was Commissioned By Iran”

1) low profile

I am always skeptical of polls. In this case, the source is known to have an axe to grind. The surprising thing is that the Iranians didn’t blame the usual Zionist suspects, but let stand the fact that the highjackers were mostly Saudi and all Islamic.

By the way, FDR ‘knew’ about Pearl Harbor–using the same criteria.

2) Eva

Of this sample set, nearly 10% say the US Govt actually carried out the attacks and 11% only somewhat disagree with this statement; therefore, 20% of those polled are out of their minds; the remaining 23% were obviously confused by the the question.

For instance, let’s say you believe that there was sufficient evidence to predict an attack and the FBI held in custody one of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack, but because of their ineptitude or inability to correlate all these events they did nothing, you may respond the same. It’s a confusing statement, especially when you’re peppered with all sort of conspiratorial accusations. It’s a classic implicit association trap. The order in which these questions were asked can lead to a statistical bias, and Zogby knows this. Also, they’re only using “listed” telephone numbers. I wonder if cell phones were called? Probably not. I’m not buying these results.

As for Zogby, he did some amazing work on the 2000 national elections, but he is after all a self-professed liberal Democrat of Lebanese descent; his brother is the founder of Arab American Institute. That’s not to say his not a good pollster, but he’s no fan of the Bush administration and he knows how to skew results.

3) texaspsue

I knew something was fishy about the news report. I’ve been a Zogby pollster for quite a few years now and for the life of me, I didn’t recall taking this poll. The MSM is moving from careless reporting to dangerous reporting. I am being to think the U.S. MSM only writes the news for the rest of the World’s benefit, not ours. To promote pure propaganda and lies Worldwide!!!!

4) ATLien

If there is one thing I learned in statistics, it is that you can make them prove any point or show any result that you want them to. This is gross and it disturbs me. When will people wake up and start condemning these conspiracy theorists publically?

5) GetBackJack

In my humble opinion, and I am not wrong about this …. polls exist to gauge the effect of propaganda. The Dominant Paradigm is issued through ‘news outlets’. People read and discuss what they’ve been told. Then a poll is conducted to see how well the miasm is being ingested and taken for Reality. Polls are a feedback loop. Ask anyone what they think of Iraq and let them expound. Then ask, “How do you know all that?” Or, “who told you?” Their response will be from any number of sources, but only one in a million will have Been There and Seen That. Virtually no one you’ll meet has been to Iraq and done the heavy lifting and also has the contextual knowledge of how all this fits together in the World Puzzle. But … they’ll damn sure have an opinion … and their views and opinions are derived from Others. In essence … They Do Not Know. They know only what they are told, wheher it is FoxNews or CNN or the AP.

Polls exist to find out how well a message is taking. Any engineer will tell us that a feedback loop is necessary in order for machinery to operate correctly. Negative feedback produces a more stable response, and positive feedback loops cause a machine to oscillate out of control and tear itself apart. Negative Feedback in terms of ‘news’ would be actual facts, absent spin and agenda. The naked cold truth. Spin, agenda and crafted stylized journalism is Positive Feedback, because it reinforces the propaganda already being pushed down the pipe. The whole thing is a vicious tactic in a larger strategy to get us to tear ourselves apart. No one can defeat America except Americans tearing each other apart. We won’t do it willingly, so we must be manipulated into doing it.

And now you know what Polling is for.

Control. Positive Feedback. Busting the machinery.

6) wardmama4

I lost all interest and respect for polls when we subscribed to USA Today (ages ago) and read a poll - 46% of Americans were scared of AIDS. I thought wow and actually read the whole deal - the poll was done only in SanFrancisco. Well - they got what they wanted.

Same with this one.

Polls are now being used (sorry GetBackJack) not to test whether their propaganda is working - but rather to make sure the masses know exactly what to answer. Read some of them now days - I won’t answer as they are so twisted I can’t answer honestly. Not that any of the msm deals with truth, facts or honesty any more.

7) caambers

I’d like to mention that the founder of Zogby International is John Zogby, also the founder and president of the Arab American Institute (not Arab is listed first in the name) and co-founder and Executive Director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. He’s also co-founded an organization which funds health care for Paleosimians. I don’t think I need to say more here.

8) bnelson44

Anyone know if the Iranian Republican Guard owns Press TV? or is it Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps?

9) SG

BTW, it should be noted that the crackpot conspiracy theorists at Truth.org also claim to have “co-sponsored” this Zogby poll.

From 911Truth.org:
Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment
Released: September 06, 2007

Kansas City, MO (Zogby International) September 6, 2007 - As America nears the sixth anniversary of the world-churning events of September 11, 2001, a new Zogby International poll finds a majority of Americans still await a Congressional investigation of President Bush’ and Vice President Cheney’s actions before, during and after the 9/11 attacks. Over 30% also believe Bush and/or Cheney should be immediately impeached by the House of Representatives.

The 911truth.org-sponsored poll also found that over two-thirds of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the still unexplained collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001…

Poll Sponsor

The Zogby poll was conceived and commissioned by 911truth.org and paid for with generous assistance from individual project donors and Visibility911.com. 911truth.org is a national information clearing house and grassroots resource center for the US 9/11 truth movement. The group is dedicated to investigation, education, organizing, and accountability regarding the recent criminal misuse of government to promote fear, repression and endless war…

http://tinyurl.com/227zmr

I thought it was victory that was supposed to have a thousand fathers. Not “truther” opinion polls.

10) DW

Speaking of the 9/11 conspiracy…from the Toronto Sun:

Conspiracy’s end?
By THANE BURNETT

There’s a radical theory that’s being considered in hushed tones.

That the 9/11 conspiracy chorus, which started to rise before the ashes of that day had completely fallen, has reached a natural and final crescendo.

That despite the tremendous popular success of online videos, forums and books — claiming the U.S. government was behind the deaths of almost 3,000 people, the planes were remote drones and the towers were brought down with military-planted explosives or missiles — the movement has left its most productive days behind.

That — even as it, according to a poll last year, convinced a third of the American population that U.S. officials were somehow complicit in the attacks — it can never really prove its case.

Who is this skeptic to suggest such a thing? The man doubting the doubting is Jimmy Walter; once the 9/11 “Truth Movement’s” most diehard promoter. Over the years, Walter, an American venture capitalist and heir to a $14.3 million fortune from his dad’s home-building business, has spent nearly $8-million to convince his fellow citizens that the attacks of 9/11 were orchestrated by “they” — an “inside job” of government leaders, media and businessmen. He’s run full page ads in papers like The New York Times and, in 2004, funded 30-second messages on major American cable networks, such as CNN and Fox News.

“I mean, it’s been six years — for at least five, the information has been out there,” Walter says. It’s blatantly obvious the truth will never come out and it will all end up like debates over who really shot John F. Kennedy, he’s sure.

“The people know. Nothing is happening,” he says, noting of his own part in the odd debate: “(I’ve) completely walked away … the curtain call is done.”

He is not alone. A column in an online forum popular with 9/11 “Truthers,” by lesser known skeptic Michael Bonanno, recently said: “I think we should give up.”

The "truth" will likely never be found, and the debate stops people from getting on with life to make things better, he argued.

But there are those who aren’t ready to walk away from the rubble — a good amount of which they’ve stirred up.

Phil Jayhan, who takes credit for being one of the early players involved in the first version of Loose Change, one of the most popular 9/11 skeptics’ movies, is preparing his own conspiracy film.

Loose Change even made it into Vanity Fair, and Jayhan is sure there’s still growth in doubt.

“Is it a conspiracy movement when you can prove the conspiracy?” he tries to convince me, on the line from Alaska.

He vows to carry on, saying the movement is no longer fringe, but rather mainstream. Shortly after our conversation, I receive an e-mail about a new poll — done on behalf of a skeptic organization — which found even more people around the world suspect a wider 9/11 conspiracy.

Despite deciding to exile himself from the need to disbelieve, there was no doubt it was sent to me from Austria by Jimmy Walter.

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Burnett_Thane/2007/09/12/4489430.php

Boo Hoo…

11) sheehanjihad

People will believe at the level their intelligence allows…..truthers would be “flat earthers” a couple of centuries ago, and demand that Columbus return the money he used to prove otherwise.

It would be like showing a stone age group a Bic lighter….they would not be able to conceive the idea of instant fire…..

and folks like the ones that insist that for whatever reason, the 9/11 attacks were a product of the Bush administration’s evil plan for world domination just cannot fathom that it was merely Islamic terrorists flying aircraft into infidel buildings to kill as many people as possible
.
They cannot understand metallurgy, physics, reality, the world is indeed round….and they choose to dwell in their ignorance and unfortunately try to foist their ignorance on more intelligent people.

These are the people the democrats adore. These are the myopic issue ridden people who want so desperately to believe anything other than the blatant facts…..because they are incapable of absorbing reality. It hurts their brains. It makes them realize just how small and woefully insignificant they really are.

So, conspiracy theorists they become. It gives them a sense of self worth they couldnt otherwise achieve through normal means….such as a life.

12) wardmama4

You know what this story, DW’s about Jimmy Walter and the Moveon ad, Code Pink et al shows: that when conservatives make/have millions they invest in/start companies, donate to service/aid charities, establish educational scholarships and so on and when liberals have millions they use that money to overthrow free/democratic governments, secretly further progressive agendas and propagandize their positions. It is all about THEM.

What a shame, I thought that those who desire peace, equality and justice would be all about Humanity. . .My bad.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/latest-zogby-poll-was-commissioned-by-iran

-- January 29, 2008 9:42 AM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

I am not ingoring you, I will offer my thoughts on the subject.

All:

I have read today where Al-Sadr is threatening not to renew his self imposed cease fire.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- January 29, 2008 2:45 PM


Wars wrote:

It is just the never ending war. who says the US government is any better waging all these wars because they believe hes in this or that country.

-- January 29, 2008 2:59 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

Thanks. I was hoping you would get to it. As for Sadr.. I wonder who is goading him toward this course of action? Didn't Carl say he was an agent of Iran? Perhaps he stood back to let the Americans root out the opposition for him (he was fighting the Al Qaida on one front and the Americans on another??) and now he thinks he can jump back in with an even stronger position with the Al Qaida gone?

And if you have a thought to spare, what do you think of IRAN sponsoring that poll I quoted? Apart from the fact it was probably illegal for a terrorist country to sponsor such a poll.. isn't that kind of strange? What agenda do you see there, if any? Anyone else have an opinion on the topic? Did they do it so the Democrats and Republicans could bicker at one another and IGNORE the Iranians until they have.. done what? Got their nukes in under the wire and delayed til after President Bush has left office and they have less of a hawk in office (and hopefully a pushover who will walk away from a fight rather than pay the cost to save our necks from his "army of suicide bombers")? Just my ponderings.. remember these old posts?

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2005/07/iraqi_dinar_dis_2.html#120777
The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets if Iran is attacked.

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2006/04/iraqi_dinar_dis_3.html#121072
Iran opens garrison to recruit suicide bombers against West

Tehran, Iran, Jul. 22 – A military garrison has been opened in Iran to recruit and train volunteers for “martyrdom-seeking operations”, according to the garrison’s commander, Mohammad-Reza Jaafari.

The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.

“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”, Jaafari said.

“The Imam [Khomeini] said years ago that Israel must be wiped off the face of the Earth, but so far practical steps have not been taken to achieve this”, the garrison commander said. “Our garrison must spot, recruit, organise and train martyrdom-seeking persons to be able to materialise this objective. Any delay in fulfilling the strategy of the Imam and the Supreme Leader in this regard will not be to the advantage of Islam or the revolution”.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2945

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“Our garrison must spot, recruit, organise and train martyrdom-seeking persons to be able to materialise this objective.

Maybe they just forgot about all that "objective" stuff (above)..

you know.. that silly idea which they called their "objective".. of wiping Israel off the map..

much like many in America have forgotten 911?

Maybe they really haven't been planning anything at all.

Not to worry, hey? All these problems will soon just "go away".. right?

Won't they?

(Why do I feel like I am standing beside an ostrich with its head buried in the sand?)

==

Wars;

Who is the HE in "because they believe HES in this or that country"... ?? Bin Laden?

Sara.

-- January 29, 2008 8:46 PM


Carl wrote:

According to FOX NEWS, there is a Real Estate RUSH taking place in Baghdad...67k returned last month...and they need housing...prices of homes have doubled and tripled...
The more the economy increases the less chance of leaders like Sadr having the ability to bring violence back into the situation...but make no mistake about it...Sadr is a operating agent for Iran, as long as they have a mutual interest...He hates the USA and Iran does not want Democracy in the region...

Rob...is correct on the assessment of the RV....The RV of the dinar is a process not an event...I have always said 5 -7 years before a increase of such that will show any significant value...history of insurgencies last 10-12 years...I believe we have at least another 3 to 5 years before we can consider cashing in the some of the dinar for a profit...

-- January 30, 2008 7:03 AM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

The following is an article by an ex-minister. I think this should bolster my argument as to the need of all economic sectors coming on line and not relying on oil alone.
____________________________________________________________

Ex-minister warns of Iraq's economic ordeal
Amman, 29 January 2008 (Voices of Iraq)
Iraq's former minister of planning has warned of Iraq's economic "ordeal," stressing the need for sound management of the accumulative cash surplus.
"Iraq has a cash reserve of more than $20 billion, which has boosted the value of the Iraqi dinar and its purchasing power, in addition to a large credit of over $10 billion by the Iraqi Development Fund," Former Minister Mahdi al-Hafiz, who is also a member of the parliamentary economic committee, indicated in a thorough study published by the Jordanian al-Ghad (Tomorrow) newspaper on Monday.
Hafiz highlighted the need to adopt a thoughtful strategic vision and setting up profitable programs with the aim of preserving the country's natural resources and ensuring a reliable source of income.
The study also called to reconsider the budget’s spending structure and rationalize the expenditure.
"Outlining the weaknesses in the current policy and the economic performance is a must to rectify all deficiencies and implement the required structural reforms," the study explained.
The study criticized Iraq's increasing dependence on oil export revenues as a main source of income. According to the 2008 budget, over 85% of Iraq's income is generated by oil exports, which the study said poses great risks to the economy in case of oil price fluctuations.
The minister also described the shortage of direct and indirect tax revenues as an indication of a lagging economy, but said that the mobile phone revenues are quite promising.
The study concluded by outlining some aspects, which Hafiz said must be carefully handled to sustain a healthy economy. Enforcing the rule of law and ending the presence of foreign troops in the country are the first priorities set by the study.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- January 30, 2008 9:38 AM


Sara wrote:

Thanks, Rob N.
I will get to your post in just a minute, but I composed these two first to Carl (and the board) about Iran.. in reply to his post.
Appreciate your post.. will get back to you.

Thanks, Carl. I appreciate your post and insights, as always.
I also appreciate your reiterating your position that "Sadr is a operating agent for Iran" -
which is what I thought you believed.

Iran has influenced and continues to have a big influence, on the Dinar fortunes.
It is also a big player even in the fortunes of the West, as you know and I hope to show in these two posts.
I feel that a bit of review is in order concerning Iran and its intentions in their region and their view toward the world (Western in particular), just so we can see the relevant issues surrounding the Dinar, and our world, too.

Carl has always noted that the Iranians are believers in the hidden Imam and the return of the Mahdi.
A brief review with some very pertinent political commentary from Amir Taheri is necessary first -
(Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe.)
Note he says: Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US.
He wrote, QUOTE:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad And “The Hidden Imam”
From the UK's Telegraph:

The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb
By Amir Taheri
(Filed: 16/04/2006)

Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941.

According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light".

Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war.

In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.

According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.

Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.

The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Gaza.

Ahmadinejad has also reactivated Iran's network of Shia organisations in Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Yemen, while resuming contact with Sunni fundamentalist groups in Turkey, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. From childhood, Shia boys are told to cultivate two qualities. The first is entezar, the capacity patiently to wait for the Imam to return. The second is taajil, the actions needed to hasten the return. For the Imam's return will coincide with an apocalyptic battle between the forces of evil and righteousness, with evil ultimately routed. If the infidel loses its nuclear advantage, it could be worn down in a long, low-intensity war at the end of which surrender to Islam would appear the least bad of options. And that could be a signal for the Imam to reappear.

At the same time, not to forget the task of hastening the Mahdi's second coming, Ahamdinejad will pursue his provocations. On Monday, he was as candid as ever: "To those who are angry with us, we have one thing to say: be angry until you die of anger!"

His adviser, Hassan Abassi, is rather more eloquent. "The Americans are impatient," he says, "at the first sight of a setback, they run away. We, however, know how to be patient. We have been weaving carpets for thousands of years."

• Amir Taheri is a former Executive Editor of Kayhan, Iran's largest daily newspaper, but now lives in Europe

From the Wikipedia about the belief in the Mahdi:

Muhammad al-Mahdi

Muḥammad al-Mahdī (born 868; year of death unknown) (Arabic: محمد المهدى‎) is the twelfth and final Shi'a Imam. He is the person believed by Shi'as to be the Mahdi; a figure considered by both Sunnis and Shias to be the ultimate saviour of humankind. Shi'as and Sunnis differ on the identity of the Mahdi, with Shi'as believing that he was born in 868 and has been hidden by God (referred to as occultation) to later emerge to fulfill his mission. Sunnis either believe that he is yet to be born, or that he was born recently and has yet to emerge. Whatever the case, both groups believe that he will bring absolute peace and justice throughout the world by establishing Islam as the global religion.

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I don't think it is taken seriously enough.

It's all too real to Ahmadinejad. And it is driving his actions according to many who know him.

Related Articles:

Ahmadinejad: Iran Will Soon Have Nuclear Bomb
Iran's Negotiator Brags About Duping West
Shocker: Iran Behind 'Golden Mosque' Bombiing
Shocker: Iran Resumes Nuke Weapons Program
Hillary Wants The US To Get Tough With Iran

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/ahmadinejad-and-the-hidden-imam

===end quote===

As for the statement that Ahmadinejad will continue his provocations.. remember this one against the United States (and Zionism):

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "We Will Soon Experience A World Without The United States And Zionism."

AHMADINEJAD: "Undoubtedly, I say that this slogan and goal is achievable, and with the support and power of God, we will soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world." (Iran's President Warns Muslims Of 'Conspiracies Of World Imperialism,' Available At: www.sharifnews.com, Accessed 10/26/05)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/what-the-terrorists-want-in-their-own-words

===end quote===

Or this one... threatening "Harm and Pain" to the US?

Iran Threatens US “Harm And Pain” Over Nukes
From the Associated Press: Iran Threatens U.S. With ‘Harm and Pain’
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program.

America’s ambassador to the United Nations — and the chief architect of U.S. policy in the Security Council once it takes up the Iran issue — said Iran’s comments reflected the menace it poses.

"Their threats show why leaving a country like that with a nuclear weapon is so dangerous," he told The Associated Press in a phone call from Washington.

He classified the Iranian comments as "reflecting their determination to acquire weapons."

"The United States has the power to cause harm and pain," said an statement delivered by the Iranian delegation and later repeated to reporters by top nuclear negotiator Javad Vaidi.

"But the United States is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball roll."

The statement did not elaborate on what Iran meant by "harm and pain," and Iranian officials were not immediately available to comment.

- This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Wednesday, March 8th, 2006.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/iran-threatens-harm-and-pain-for-us

===end quote===

I am sure we all have our own ideas about what that "harm and pain" may mean (or come to mean).
You don't think Iran saying that the US will soon cease to exist and Iran will inflict "Harm and Pain" on the US has anything to do with those 40,000 suicide bombers or with the fact Iran is close to getting nuclear bomb capability, do you?
Did you notice in that previous article link I posted Ali said he was travelling abroad to harm American and British interests?:

Iranian group signing up potential martyrs
U.S. think tank: Iran Reinforcing facilities
Sunday, April 16, 2006

TEHRAN, Iran (Reuters) -- Some 200 Iranians have volunteered in the past few days to carry out "martyrdom missions" against U.S. and British interests around the world if Iran is attacked, a hard-line group said Sunday.

The news of potential martyrs came as The Institute for Science and International Security, a U.S. think tank, said Sunday that Iran has expanded its uranium conversion facilities in Isfahan and reinforced its Natanz underground uranium enrichment plant.

Chanting "Death to America" and "Nuclear technology is our right", volunteers registered their names at the former American Embassy in southern Tehran on Sunday.

"We will give a good lesson to those who dare to attack our country," said Ali, a 25-year-old masked volunteer, after filling out registration form.

When asked why he had covered his face, Ali said: "I do not want to be recognized when traveling abroad to harm American and British interests."

The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets if Iran is attacked.

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2005/07/iraqi_dinar_dis_2.html#120777

===

Of course, the fact the Iranians believe Islam will take over the world and they are preparing these suicide bombers for when they are told to deploy against targets their commander (Khamenei) tells them to attack.. could actually include the US as well as Israel, as I quoted that article in the previous post, QUOTE: "The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”...
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2945

Now, what if the goal is to ready these martyrs to go abroad with suitcase nukes.. ??
Isn't this a warning to America and Israel that the suicide bombers are to be equated with nukes?
Doesn't that make each suicide volunteer truly "equal" to a nuclear bomb?

Think about it for just a minute..
What if it is their plan? Where do the Iranians place nuking America on their "to do" list?
Before or after they nuke Israel? At the same time? (What do you think, Carl, board?)

Even the NIE estimate said that Iran could have nukes by 2009 (that is next year).
(Quote from their pdf file: "We judge with moderate confidence that the earliest possible date Iran would be technically capable of producing enough HEU for a weapon is late 2009...")
I dislike the "moderate" confidence part.. that sure is an uncertain view being stated there.. not absolute certainty, is it?
It might be earlier.. or later. These people are, after all, judging from the outside without any weapons inspector allowed in the country.
It is at best a guesstamate.. I do so dislike leaving our fate in the hands of guesstamators.

But, may I ask.. what about the possibility Iran has an ongoing military strategic plan for the Middle East (Iraq and Israel) and for the West (America and Britain) to help "usher in" their Mahdi? One that includes nuclear suitcase bombs? If you allow the possibility..
How probable it will be in our lifetimes? The next twenty years?? The next ten years.. ?? The next two?
Is it probable in your view, Carl.. board?

Sara.

-- January 30, 2008 11:21 AM


Sara wrote:

In April of 2007 MI5's London Headquarters' Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre said they were hearing chatter about a planned "large-scale" terrorist attack "with the help of Iran" against the West. Quote, "The report says there is “no indication” this attack would specifically target Britain." That made me wonder..
A commenter's statement below piqued my interest when he said, My suspicion is that they will wait for Bush to be out of office too.
It fits with the patiently-waiting-and-weaving-carpets scenerio the Iranian spokesman spoke about.

===

Leaked Report: Al Qaeda Planning Hiroshima
From the UK’s Sunday Times: Al-Qaeda ‘planning big British attack’
April 22, 2007
Dipesh Gadher

AL-QAEDA leaders in Iraq are planning the first “large-scale” terrorist attacks on Britain and other western targets with the help of supporters in Iran, according to a leaked intelligence report.

Spy chiefs warn that one operative had said he was planning an attack on “a par with Hiroshima and Nagasaki” in an attempt to “shake the Roman throne”, a reference to the West.

The report, produced earlier this month and seen by The Sunday Times, appears to provide evidence that Al-Qaeda is active in Iran and has ambitions far beyond the improvised attacks it has been waging against British and American soldiers in Iraq.

The report was compiled by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) - based at MI5’s London headquarters - and provides a quarterly review of the international terror threat to Britain. The report: “Recent reporting has described AQI’s Kurdish network in Iran planning what we believe may be a large-scale attack against a western target.

“A member of this network is reportedly involved in an operation which he believes requires AQ Core authorisation. He claims the operation will be on ‘a par with Hiroshima and Naga-saki’ and will ‘shake the Roman throne’. We assess that this operation is most likely to be a large-scale, mass casualty attack against the West.”

The report says there is “no indication” this attack would specifically target Britain, “although we are aware that AQI . . . networks are active in the UK”.

===

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, April 23rd, 2007.

Comments:

1) wardmama4

Of course the eurowhinnies don’t want to take this seriously - they just might have to admit that there are bad muslims in the World (not to mention europastan itself). . .

And the morning after they will all call on the despised USofA to help ‘em fight back (i.e. lead the War).

It’s coming - until someone has the backbone and guts to stand up the the imam’s puppet Ahmadinejad and slaps Iran back to the 3rd century that they want the entire world to live in.

Funny how all the islamic righteous use computers, media, cell phones and nuclear weapons and of course American dollars while screeding on how despot and vile the West is. No wonder the libs/dems love ‘em - they are both such amoral hypocrites. Who are going to destroy the World if not stopped.

2) Old Grouch

They spout this stuff often enough without doing anything so the West gets indifferent. “Flying Imams”, Target checkout clerks, etc. They want us to dismiss them as harmless. And drop our guard.

3) pigpaws

My suspicion is that they will wait for Bush to be out of office too.

4) sheehanjihad

If in fact Britain was nuked.. in the event of a nuclear terrorist attack on England, to me, that means that we cant be far behind, and as a matter of fact, I cant believe we arent getting it first…it is so much easier to get a weapon into this country, and set it up unhindered, and set it off without being discovered because there is a PC law against stopping terrorists from doing all three!

Stop them at the border…go to jail like our Border Patrol agents. Deny them a place to live or welfare payments…go to jail like most city managers are fighting to stay out of because they passed laws to keep illegals at bay…point out to anyone that muslim men in a building are acting suspicious, go to jail for a hate crime and profiling….yup, the muzzies have it made here! I think the england thing is a ruse, so they can set it off in a large metropolitain area in this country, and laugh with pelosi and reid for getting it done.

5) Old Grouch

As for nuking us, piece of cake: buy or build one, put it in a cargo ship and sail into NY harbor. Then detonate, long before any inspection. No good way to detect at other than very short range, some lead foil makes that even harder. Or maybe the cargo bay of a charter 747. Gonna happen shortly after they get one. (they have said as much)

6) Phil Byler

Sadly, we are going to be dealing with a nuclear adversary at some point, and they will use the bomb. We could avoid the fate, but it would take people throwing the Democrats out of power now. When the terrible days happen, the left wing Democrats must be driven from public life with unending curses.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/leaked-intel-report-al-qaeda-planning-hiroshima

===end quote===

And just in case we didn't hear it loud enough, this expert opinion says, "Mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad, but an inducement.” in the following article.. well worth the read:

Islamic Historian Warns West Of Global Jihad
From Israel’s Arutz Sheva:
Experts Warn of Global Jihad at Herzliya Conference
Monday, January 22, 2007

Two Islam experts warned participants at the Herzliya Conference on Monday that global jihad is on the rise — and should be taken seriously.

Islamic expert and historian Bernard Lewis spoke back-to-back with former CIA director James Woolsey at the Herzliya Conference Monday, sounding the alarm on the global Jihad and dismissing the concept of a Palestinian state.

“In the self-perception of the Muslim world, their primary identity is to deliver Islam to the world – to not keep it selflessly to themselves but to give it to mankind,” explained Lewis, adding that the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979 signified the first major victory in the global Islamic push toward that goal.

“There are competing leaders to take this fight ahead,” he said. “The Sunni Wahabi cause is represented by bin Laden. Another is the Shi’ite version, which began with the first Iranian revolution, and the second Iranian revolution, taking place at this moment. The whole Arab and Muslim world is experiencing the second stage of the Islamic revolution in Iran.

“I have been told by Iranian friends that Ahmadinejad is indeed crazy, but not stupid,” Lewis warned. “He really believes in the end of days that he is heralding. There is a widespread belief among Shi’ites that that time has come. Mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent to Ahmadinejad, but an inducement.”

James Woolsey, former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, addressed the conference next. Unlike many of the speakers, Woolsey, a guest of the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs had arrived the previous day and attended nearly all of the conference’s sessions.

Woolsey summarized several opinions that were expressed, lauding UN sanctions, negotiations and the state of the world. “I do not represent a majority view – but on all of these points I beg to differ,” he said.

Woolsey proceeded to lament the fate of Europe, which he sees as already having been compromised in what he calls World War IV – the third having been the Cold War. “I wish we had a partnership with Europe, but I am afraid it is deteriorating,” he explained. “Europe is accommodating Sharia (Islamic law) and becoming increasingly affected by the Muslim demographics in their countries.”

Woolsey said he sees no distinction between the Islamic onslaught in Israel, Iraq or elsewhere. He compared the war against Islamism with that against Nazism and Communism.

As a former director of the world’s largest intelligence agency, Woolsey dismissed claims by Iran and its apologists that the Islamic Republic seeks nuclear capability for peaceful means.

“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”

Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”

Woolsey, like Lewis, warned that the Iranian Shi’ite sect is not the only threat posed by Islam.

“In 1979, with the seizure of the great mosque in Mecca and the rise to power of a Shi’ite theocracy in Iran, a rise in Wahabi-ism took place as well. This was funded largely by the increase in the price of oil. Today, little boys are taught to want to be suicide bombers both in Pakistani madrassas and in the West Bank with Wahabi oil money.”

Woolsey said that those warning against Islam’s push to establish Islamic law across the globe are accused of being Islamophobic. “We are not Islamaphobes,” he said, “but we are theocraphobic."

“We, Jews, Christian and others are inheritors of the rule of law,” he said. “Democracy without the rule of law is a mob and capitalism without democracy is theft. Jefferson said, and it is printed on his memorial: ‘I have sworn on the altar of Almighty G-d eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.’ ”

Asked what role he saw the media playing in the current global plight, Woolsey had harsh criticism for most journalists’ inability to classify religious believers as anything but crazy.

“The media on the whole and certainly in the US is not interested in ideology and does not take it seriously. They tend to think anybody who is religiously motivated about his views is crazy – whether religious Christians, Muslims or Jews. And that is a problem, because you can be absolutely crazy about your objectives and extremely shrewd about your implementation. I think our media on the whole is very ostrich-like on this issue.” …

==end of quote==

This is real news insofar as Bernard Lewis is considered by most people to be the foremost historian of Islam in the world.

Some of his books:

* The Origins of Ismailism (1940)
* The Arabs in History (1950)
* The Emergence of Modern Turkey (1961)
* Istanbul and the Civilizations of the Ottoman Empire (1963)
* The Assassins: A Radical Sect in Islam (1967)
* The Cambridge History of Islam (2 vols. 1970, revised 4 vols. 1978, editor with Peter Malcolm Holt and Ann K.S. Lambton)
* Islam: From the Prophet Muhammad to the capture of Constantinople (1974, editor)
* Race and Color in Islam (1979)
* Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire: The Functioning of a Plural Society (1982, editor with Benjamin Braude)
* The Muslim Discovery of Europe (1982)
* The Jews of Islam (1984)
* Semites and Anti-Semites (1986)
* History — Remembered, Recovered, Invented (1987)
* Islam from the Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople (1987)
* The Political Language of Islam (1988)
* Race and Slavery in the Middle East: an Historical Enquiry (1990)
* Islam and the West (1993)
* Islam in History (1993)
* The Shaping of the Modern Middle East (1994)
* Cultures in Conflict (1994)
* The Middle East: A Brief History of the Last 2,000 Years (1995)
* The Future of the Middle East (1997)
* The Multiple Identities of the Middle East (1998)
* A Middle East Mosaic: Fragments of Life, Letters and History (2000)
* Music of a Distant Drum: Classical Arabic, Persian, Turkish, and Hebrew Poems (2001)
* The Muslim Discovery of Europe (2001)
* What Went Wrong?: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East (2002)
* The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror (2003)
* From Babel to Dragomans: Interpreting the Middle East (2004)

When Mr. Lewis warns about a global jihad, the world should listen.

And of course Mr. Woolsey is no slouch either.

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Ahmadinejad: Jews Will One Day Be Wiped Out
Terrorist Grandmother Blows Herself Up In Gaza
Muslim "Feminists" Want To End Islam Myths
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Ahmadinejad Admits Special Connection To God
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Muslim Miss UK: Stereotyping Causes Terrorism

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Monday, January 22nd, 2007.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/reknowned-islam-historian-warns-west-of-global-jihad

-- January 30, 2008 11:32 AM


Sara wrote:

Might I ask the board's views on James Woolsey's comments.. ??
(James Woolsey is former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency)
In particular these comments of his:

“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”

Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”

===end quotes==

Exactly... how do we view Iran and its ambitions for oil and gas in the region?
How do we view Iran saying that it only wants nuclear power for fuel?

And how do we see the movement which DEFINES ITSELF by its stated GOAL of the destruction of the US?
And what about that "Queen" in the chess game.. nukes?

Suitcase nukes? Suicide bombers?
Am I connecting the dots well??
What do you think?

Sara.

-- January 30, 2008 11:52 AM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

In addition to my posted article please consider the following. Riyadh possess an infastructure. The Monarchy of Saudi Arabia invests some of the revenues from oil sales back into the country.

In contrast, Baghdad does not possess an infastructure. They are currently allowing oil revenues to pile up. It does not appear they are reinvesting this money into reconstruction. In fact, they seem to desire the U.S. pay their reconstruction costs.

We know for certian Sadam did not reinvest in his country. He raped and pillaged it. These are valid reasons why Riyadh is modern and prosperous and Baghdad is backwater.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- January 30, 2008 11:52 AM


Carl wrote:

Sara..
A lot of your above post in regards to Iran relates back to about two years ago when you and I discussed Iran having the intentions of reuniteing the PERSIA OF OLD...They are well on their way and like history of yesterday, the Western population and European Nations set back and allow them to get stronger every day...

It is not a matter of are we going to WAR with IRAN...BUT WHEN WE GO TO WAR WITH IRAN...Unfortunately, we in America have become too fond of American Idol, and trivial diversions to pay any attention to what is happening... Too many want to agree with the Ron Pauls of the World...The party of defeat, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LEADERS will run as fast as they can to save their political butts when the Sh-t hits the fan...We have sit back and waited for the ARABS to stop the Iranian Threat to their region, but they have not done so...the next move will come from US if George is still in power...if a New Leader such as Obama or Clinton gets it...we are in deep mud....

I was sadden the other day at the Coast Guard Station, when I overheard the following conversation between some Coast Guardsmen there at the station...
The conversation came about when a News Reporter was talking about Mr. G of New York...One of the guy's stated, just who is he...wasn't he a senator or something? The other replied...Yep! he was Governor of New York...
Need I say more?

-- January 30, 2008 12:32 PM


Sara wrote:

Carl;

True. And the reason there is no progress like we want in Iraq.. politically AND ECONOMICALLY.. (the Dinar) is also Iran.
They just have to gloat about it today:

Ahmadinejad: ”Occupiers” defeated in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine
Posted: 30-01-2008 , 13:51 GMT

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday that the occupiers have been defeated in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine. Addressing a large group of local residents of this southern provincial capital city, he said, "Despite the big powers' attempts to create discord between Iran and the regional nations, friendship and brotherhood have been further deepened and the enemies have been defeated."

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Lebanon/221620

By keeping the region united around Islam instead of freedom, he has tied the hands of the US in Iraq.. politically and economically.

Sara.

-- January 30, 2008 1:21 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

Your first post noted that, quote, "The study criticized Iraq's increasing dependence on oil export revenues as a main source of income. According to the 2008 budget, over 85% of Iraq's income is generated by oil exports, which the study said poses great risks to the economy in case of oil price fluctuations."

This is a concern but should not stop the economy from prospering in the present climate.
Indeed, due to the incredibly good price of oil, today they predict a windfall for Iraq:

Iraq 'set for oil price windfall'
Wednesday, 30 January 2008

Increasing oil production and higher oil prices mean Iraq could be set for an influx of extra money towards reconstruction, a report has said.
Iraq could get an extra $15bn (£7.5bn) from its oil in 2008, special inspector general Stuart W Bowen Jnr said.

But the report said greater efforts were needed to establish how the money would be used, and to fight the corruption which eats into oil revenue.

Oil revenue makes up about 84% of Iraq's national revenue.

"The possible rise in Iraq's revenue emphasises the need for the government of Iraq to pursue its fight against corruption with renewed vigour," the report added.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7217559.stm

But the problem is, as you point out, "Baghdad does not possess an infastructure. They are currently allowing oil revenues to pile up. It does not appear they are reinvesting this money into reconstruction. In fact, they seem to desire the U.S. pay their reconstruction costs."

This corresponds with what Carl and I have been discussing on the board.. the fact Iran has them hornswoggled into seeing this as a war between Islam and the wicked West.. and that means making the "infidels" pay for everything and thwarting the US designs economically and politically. Frankly, Iran has won so long as it can muster enough "friendship and brotherhood" in the region.. and votes in the Iraqi parliament.. to stop the US intentions to make Iraq prosperous and free market.

As Carl has said again and again.. Iran will NOT allow Iraq to become a free democracy on its doorstep. As long as it has the cooperation and good will of its neighbors, as Ahmadinejad said today.. the US has lost the long term war. Quote: "Despite the big powers' attempts to create discord between Iran and the regional nations, friendship and brotherhood have been further deepened and the enemies have been defeated."

They play a good game of chess, allowing the US to take all the expense and get none of the economic benefit.

Wait til they decide to use their queen... (remember what the queen is? nukes.)

Sara.

-- January 30, 2008 1:41 PM


Sara wrote:

Ahmadinejad said today:

"The Iranian nation.. has today ... set up the complete cycle of fuel production."

A historic day this day... for sure.

Sara.

===

Iran sees nuclear power this time next year
Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:29am EST

By Zahra Hosseinian and Parisa Hafezi
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran expects to have its own nuclear-generated electricity by this time next year and will not bow to Western pressure to halt uranium enrichment, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday.

Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Bushehr that Iran was approaching the peak of its nuclear programprograme.

Iran's planned first nuclear power plant is sited close to Bushehr. The plant would begin test operations by late October, a senior official said on Wednesday, two days after Russia completed fuel deliveries to the site.

The West suspects Iran's nuclear activities are ultimately aimed at building weapons. Iran, the world's fourth-largest crude oil producer, says it only wants to generate electricity...

Ahmadinejad said Iran would not halt its disputed uranium enrichment work, technology which can have both civilian and military purposes.

"If you (the West) imagine that the Iranian nation will back down you are making a mistake," he said in a televised speech.

Moscow and Washington say the Russian fuel deliveries should convince Tehran to shut down its uranium enrichment program, but Iran has refused to stop.

Iran says it needs to produce nuclear fuel domestically as it wants to build other power plants as part of a planned network with a capacity of 20,000 megawatts by 2020 to satisfy soaring electricity demand.

Enriched uranium can be used for making nuclear fuel and also, if refined much further, provide material for bombs.

Ahmadinejad called on Western powers to take part in building Iranian nuclear power plants.

"If you don't, this nation will build nuclear plants with the hands of its own scientists," he said. "The Iranian nation, without depending on you and without begging you, has today ... set up the complete cycle of fuel production."

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSDAH02971620080130?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true

-- January 30, 2008 4:36 PM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

It appears we are in a stalemate. A U.S. led attack on Iran may be the only means by which this stalemate is broken.

If I were President and chose to attack Iran. I would probably limit my attack to air strikes. I am not sure we can sustain our efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq if we also put ground troops in Iran. There are certain key targets and installations I would strike first.

1. Tehran University
2. Electrical Grid
3. Poison their water
4. Destroy all bridges and roads in order to cut off supplies.
5. All Military installations
6. Government buildings
7. Bunker busting bombs to take out their Nuclear facilities.

Unlike Iraq, an attack on Iran must be with the goal to annihilate them. After their utter destruction, I would send in some ground forces to bury the Iranian dead in hogs blood.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- January 30, 2008 4:47 PM


Revoir wrote:

Two things:
(1) I have not seen the buying & selling of Dinar quotes for some time. What have I missed?
(2) I just read a book by Joel Rosenburg entitled "Epicenter". Mr. Rosenburg helped write the Rush Limbaugh newsletter during the early 90's, has worked for the Heritage Foundation, Jack Kemp, Netanyaho, & others. (google his name)In his book, based on his inside info and research, Hamas (funded by Iran) has the ability to launch a scud missle from a container on a container ship. There are hundreds of these container ships chugging around the world on any given day. A nuclear tipped scud would be capable of hitting any U.S. city within 200 miles of the coast. The largest part of our U.S. population lives within 200 miles of the coast. Such a missle could be launched & be on target long before & military could react. As to when would be anybody's guess, & only a guess. Could they try & influence our elections like they did in Spain?
Just food for thought.

-- January 30, 2008 6:55 PM


Sara wrote:

Revoir;

They certainly have the WILL to do such a nuclear tipped scud attack. They have the stated goals of destroying Israel and the US. They believe they are ushering in the Mahdi by doing so.. an admirable thing in their religion. Their anti-Semitism and genocidal views have been so blatant lately that Canada pulled out of a UN conference because of it.. this was two days ago. Bet you didn't hear about it from the MSM, though. (Remember the saying that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it? Ever seen Schindler's List?) Here is that deal:

Canada: U.N. Anti-Racism Conference a 'Gong Show' of Hatred, Bigotry
By Terry Trippany
January 28, 2008 - 15:33 ET

The mainstream media turned a deaf ear to Canada's conservative government as they withdrew support for a United Nations led anti-racism conference on charges that the conference itself is a "a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry". One Canadian official called the U.N. Durban II conference a "gong show" as Ottawa withdrew all support in protest of the escalating rhetoric against Israel. This of course comes as no surprise considering that the United Nations, in all its limited wisdom, elected Libya to chair the conference, Cuba as the vice chair and named Iran to the organizing committee. Quote:

The so-called Durban II conference “has gone completely off the rails” and Canada wants no part of it, said Jason Kenney, secretary of state for multiculturalism and Canadian identity.

“Canada is interested in combatting racism, not promoting it,” Mr. Kenney told The Canadian Press. “We'll attend any conference that is opposed to racism and intolerance, not those that actually promote racism and intolerance.

“Our considered judgment, having participated in the preparatory meetings, was that we were set for a replay of Durban I. And Canada has no intention of lending its good name and resources to such a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry.”

==end quote==

Not one mainstream media newspaper outlet bothered to cover Canada's walk out with any in depth analysis despite this being an election year where foreign policy in the Middle East, the politics of race and racism and the war against radical Islam are key issues. Instead most outlets deferred to the brief feeds of the AP, Reuters and the AFP to provide scant mention. The New York Times managed to miss the story altogether; feed or otherwise.

Notable events that escaped the scrutiny of the majority of the selectively scrutinizing members of the news media:

- The next two key preparatory meetings have been scheduled on the Jewish holidays of Passover and Yom Kippur. This is a deliberate move by organizers to prevent Israeli officials from participating.
- Iran has been named to the organizing committee despite statements from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that repeatedly calls for the destruction of Israel.
- The U.N. Human Rights Council was created to reform the United Nations Commission on Human Rights yet 14 of it's 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations were against Israel according to statements by Canada.
- The United Nations held its first World Conference Against Racism in Durban way back in 2001. That conference was marred by anti-Semitic bigotry that eventually led the United States Israel to walk out of the conference. Some non-governmental organizations had been reported to have posted pro-Hitler posters yet each of the non-governmental organizations that were invited to the 2001 conference have been invited back to Durban II.
The most complete accounting I could find came from the Canadian Press as found in the Globe and Mail which said,

The 2001 World Conference Against Racism in Durban turned into “a circus of intolerance,” Mr. Kenney said.

Arab and Muslim countries ganged up in their criticisms of Israel. Israel and the United States walked out in protest; the Liberal government of the day remained in an effort to decry the attacks.

With Libya elected to chair the next gathering, Cuba appointed vice-chair and rapporteur, and anti-Israel rhetoric and actions building, Mr. Kenney said his government was left with no choice but to abandon the preparatory process for the followup meeting.

B'nai Brith Canada applauded the government, saying Durban I “degenerated into a hate-fest directed at Israel and the Jewish delegates attending the conference.”

The group's executive vice-president, Frank Dimant, said Ottawa has acted “clearly and decisively by refusing to participate in a venue that pays lip service to anti-racism but in fact provides a platform for the promotion of hatred and bigotry.”

Mr. Kenney noted important preparatory meetings have been called on Jewish high holidays, preventing Israeli officials from participating.

The UN gave planning oversight for the conference to its Human Rights Council, which has targeted Israel in 14 of its 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations in its first two years of existence.

“We've tried to influence it so that we would not revisit the overt expressions of hatred which came out of the original conference,” said Mr. Kenney. “But we unfortunately ran into a brick wall.

“The process has been hijacked by those who would seek to replay the terrible experience of the first Durban conference.”

Iran was named to the organizing committee, Mr. Kenney noted.

“This is a country whose government has publicly expressed its desire to eliminate the only Jewish country in the world,” he said.

Furthermore, all of the non-governmental organizations invited to the first conference have been invited back to the second, including those that were at the “forefront of the hatred,” some of which posted pro-Hitler posters at the 2001 gathering.

The statements by the Canadian government are damning indeed. They come at a time when liberal Democrats are calling for U.S. law to be diluted by international standards. These standards would no doubt be influenced by the same world wide bodies that allow human rights abusers and state sponsors of racism and terrorism to prop up their anti-Semitic views with the legitimacy of world governments behind them. That news is as important today as it should have been in the not so distant past when such actions were ignored to the detriment of millions who died to prevent this from ever happening again.

Terry Trippany is the editor and publisher of Webloggin.

Comments

1) Got to love those western Canucks by Lame Cherry

People need to be aware that Canada is allot like America in all the crazy liberals are in the east and far left coast, but the rest of the country is Mom and Pop apple pie.

Canada has it's own Rush Limbaugh named Charles Adler and he is hillarious and brilliant. If you ever get a feed out of CJOB Winnipeg give that station a listen as it is all Conservative and the reason Americans love Canada.

Back to the Gong Show lol

2) Hooray for Canada! bigtimer

Hooray for Canada!

When are we going to ever get out of the diabolic thieving dictatorship of the UN...oil for food just one example.

The msm mum on this...NO SURPRISE here...disgusting yes!

Doncha' know the msm or the papers just have more important things to repeat over and over instead of taking a few minutes to report something like this... we pay the majority of the salaries/funding of this filthy organization..we should have a candidate that wants us out of it too....

I know...when pigs fly I guess...

Thanks Mr. Trippany for this great information.

3) Shocka!!! by Mr. Kafir

The world still hates the Jews. Who would have guessed that after 5000 years as a people, we Jews are just like Rodney Dangerfield. No respect, I tells ya. We don't get any respect at all!!!!

4) The only by oregon_jiim

group that the MSM will protect more than the democrat party is the UN/world government types.

After reading this I am going to have to stop flicking Canadians so much $h!t. At least for a week.

Question: If the world hates America so much for electing GWB, why have France, Germany and Canada gotten considerably more conservative in the last 7 years?

"an endorsement of communism is an endorsement of slavery"

5) Finally, a bit of positive by Lancasters Saved Us

Finally, a bit of positive press (at least here) for the Deranged Dominion. IMHO, the Harper government has a bit in common with John Howard's Aussie admininstration in terms of making an effort to do what is right, even when there is a price to pay. Quebec is very un supportive of our mission in Afghanistan, and the Tories have a lot on the line by staying in the thick of Khandahar, with a large (By defanged Cdn standards) Quebec contingent. (The Van Doo's) Anyway, glad to read about a bit of back bone that replaces the last 30 plus years of wishy washyness. The first small step in disengaging from this crooked institution. My fav radio in the North is the John Oakley show 6-10 Am. This guy is as clear thinking a Canuck as our beloved Mark Steyn. (http://www.640toronto.com/

6) Let us not forget that by alamojb

Let us not forget that there are efforts in the UN to set up two "Human Rights" Standards.

One would apply in Muslim countries, where Islam would be recognized as the Dominant religion over all others according to Sharia Law.

The other Standard would apply in non muslim Countries where it would be illegal to defame Islam.

Hence the UN is on the road to elevating Islam to be THE World Religion.

Of course, dhimmis like Truthmonger will try to claim that Sharia Law is not really Islamic, Jizya taxes are not really Islam, etc.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/12/defaming-islam.html#readfurther

7) par for the course with the UN by UndercoverConservative

whether it's selling it's votes for oil shares, ignoring genocides in Darfur, stripping weapons only from citizens while allowing hostile governments leeway (small arms reduction), or promoting Islamic and Socialist ideals (more oil money talking), the UN is the non-elected, non-representative (of the People) International Organization you can always count on to provide that crushing heel on the back of Freedom's neck.

Death, taxes, UN shafting. Who says there's no consistency in the world today? :P

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/terry-trippany/2008/01/28/canada-calls-u-n-led-anti-racism-conference-gong-show-hatred-bigotry

-- January 30, 2008 11:05 PM


Sara wrote:

I am not physically of the Jewish race, Unfortunately.
It would be a great privilege to be a Jew (Israelite) according to the flesh.
The Apostle Paul wrote:

Rom 3:1 What advantage then has the Jew? ...
Rom 3:2 Much in every way: chiefly, because that to them were committed the oracles of God.

It is, therefore, an advantage to be of that chosen race.
What is more, the person I most adore and serve - even worship - is Jesus Christ.
And Jesus (in his man-part of Him) was a Jew.

How a person can claim to be a follower of the person considered God come to earth in physical form..
and hate the race that spawned that fleshly body is beyond me.
I could not consider such a person a true and faithful follower of Jesus Christ.
How could they say they know Him and hate his race.. his entire family, his mother Mary,
His adopted father Joseph, His disciples.. all were Jews.
Jesus lived and died.. a religious, God-fearing Jew.
He is my Lord, Savior, Master and God.
And I am not ashamed of His people.
Paul in the New Testament took up his pen to write that the Jews are His people in this passage:

Rom 11:1 I say then, Has God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Believing, therefore, that the Jewish race is still God's people and He has not cast them away..
I do see this anti-Semitism as a direct attack upon the people of God.
And an act of the devil.. of Satan, an act of evil toward God Himself and the people He calls His own.
To be in that crowd is to oppose God Himself.
I cannot see that course of action ever being blessed.. even as Hitler was not blessed.
Nor will it prevail (see the outcome of World War II).

If we are now to repeat the mistakes of recent history..
Eventually this evil will be defeated... but at what cost to the Jew?
Or to those who stand for what is right alongside the Jews.
Yet.. would you stand WITH Hitler against the Jews?
Or with these new Hitler endorsers (did you note the Hitler posters they had at the conference?)...
these who stand in the same place Hitler once did - in now wishing the destruction of the Israelite nation?

You have to choose.. America will have to choose.
I know I have decided which side I am on.. to the death if called for.
Have you decided if you will be like those among the German people who let Hitler kill the Jews?
The MSM appears to have sold out like that.. and now opposes the Jews (judging by their silence and words/actions).
Are you with them in their intolerance and where it inevitably must lead to?
The cost could be heavy.. but what is the right thing to do?
As they say.. "What would Jesus do?"
To me, that is a no-brainer question.

1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar: for he that does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from Him, That he who loves God love his brother also.

(see also Luke 10:30 -37 - the parable of the Good Samaritan and Matt 5:43-48 on loving even enemies.)

God is love. (1 John 4:8)

Sara.
PS My apologies to any of Jewish descent who do not like the term Jew but prefer Israelite.
I know it offends some.. no offense was intended.

-- January 31, 2008 1:01 AM


Sara wrote:

You know, Rob N, I thought President Bush would go to war against Iran, too.
Everyone seems to have thought so.
As Carl said, it isn't really a question of IF we go, but when.

I think the President sees the writing on the wall and that it is inevitable.
But I think polls like the one IRAN commissioned helped to breed distrust
(THAT was the whole point of it, I am sure) and so helped secure their freedom from intrusion.
The Iranians get to make nukes in the dark.. and we get to confront them -
AFTER they strike American soil.. and when less of a military man is in power, perhaps.

Your plan is aggressive and would do the job.. for sure.
I am sure the military commanders too, when given a free hand, will do a good job, under God.
The problem has been they are not being given that free hand.

I think Iran's strategy, including using that poll to take down confidence in President Bush..
and supporting the whacko conspiracy theorists and opposition Democrats.. has taken its toll.

People lament as to why Hitler wasn't taken out early.
Now we watch a repeat of history.. and living through it, we know why.

Sara.

-- January 31, 2008 12:03 PM


Sara wrote:

Bush Targets Iraq Fears, Vows to Confront Iran when Threatened
Beirut, 29 Jan 08, 09:46

U.S. President George Bush, in his final State of the Union address, has urged the Americans to stay patient with the long war in Iraq and vowed to "confront" Iran where necessary.

Bush, who used the annual speech in 2003 to lump Saddam Hussein's Iraq with Iran and North Korea in an "axis of evil," urged Tehran to freeze uranium enrichment that Washington fears is a prelude to a nuclear arsenal, and to stop backing extremists abroad.

"America will confront those who threaten our troops, we will stand by our allies, and we will defend our vital interests in the Persian Gulf," he warned.(AP-AFP-Naharnet)

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&615EF092AA9F8271C22573DF002A5F39

IRANIAN OFFICIAL DOWNPLAYS IMPORTANCE OF UN SANCTIONS...

Deputy Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mohammadi told ISNA on January 30 that a third round of UN sanctions on Iran's nuclear program would probably not have much "depth" and is designed to maintain Western credibility. "America and Britain insist there should be a resolution and also want a consensus, but Russia and China are not in favor of a resolution that has depth and does damage," he said, adding that Iran will wait and see the "depth" of the resolution before deciding on its response. Separately, right-wing parliamentarian Mohammad Hussein Farhangi said in Tehran on January 30 that Iran would have no choice but to leave the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) if "sanctions continue to be issued" against its program, ISNA reported. He said if there are doubts about the International Atomic Energy Agency's "goodwill" and Iran's rights are not protected, "our presence in the agency and the NPT will not benefit our country and...interests." VS

...AS LAWMAKER DENOUNCES U.S. PRESIDENT'S STATEMENTS ON IRAN

A member of the parliamentary National Security and Foreign Policy Committee, Rashid Jalali-Jafari, warned on January 30 that Iran would not be the only country harmed if "America lights another fire in the Persian Gulf," ISNA reported. He told the news agency that U.S. President George W. Bush's recent comments on Iran in his State of the Union address were surprising, but useless and with "no impact in the country." Jalali-Jafari said with reference to any U.S. threat of war: "If Iran is to be harmed in any way, America and its possible allies will also be harmed." Bush told Congress on January 28 that the United States will defend its troops, allies, and interests in the Persian Gulf against Iran, AFP reported. He told "the leaders of Iran" to "stop your oppression at home and your support for terror abroad." VS

http://www.rferl.org/newsline/2008/01/6-swa/swa-310108.asp

-- January 31, 2008 12:30 PM


Sara wrote:

Save Your Own Life..

Part One - The Problem

There has been an onslaught on our collective health.
And, so you know.. in this post (in all its parts) if read and undersood..
it will be of such help that I believe it will save the physical life of at least one person who reads this.
I am not joking, on the level now.
Just in case it is you, for your own bodily self-preservation, you should read it.
The reason is - this information is certainly not well known.

I have been led to think upon on what is causing the obesity epidemic, and.. I found the answer. It might suprise you. The information might not be liked.. but it could save your life if you know it, too. Or maybe it could save the life of someone you love. Because the "epidemic" of obesity affects so many people - over half the population - and it is a symptom of a much worse onslaught of disease, one we all are vulnerable and exposed to.. we are all at risk.
QUOTE:
"Over half of persons in the U.S. are overweight enough to be defined as obese. This number increased by 50% in the last decade of the 20th century. http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/OBESITY/OBESITY.html )

If you bear with me you will end up better off than most. Without this knowledge, you are a sitting duck for what likely comes next.. YOUR early (earlier than it would be) disease and death. Armed with this information, I believe you will be equipped to help yourself - to Save Your Own Life, as it were (or those of others you care for - And yes, it is that serious/dire.)

Now, in order to prevent serious backlash from those who are involved, I must cover myself..
by giving you the proper Background information on what is going on here -
I am about to step on toes, but my fight is not with the huge monolith responsible for this problem,
but with the spiritual forces behind this monolith against our health and well being.
Let me explain..

The Background

Although it has gone quite out of style in our culture today to believe in malevolent (sinister) forces.. be it the "dark side" of the force, or demons (which Jesus spent 1/3 of His ministry casting them out of people.. a rather silly thing to do if they really don't exist) - yet the truth of the matter is that there are spiritual forces which are bent on our collective destruction and they are at work in our world.. and they actively seek to recruit to themselves those who will cooperate with them to destroy the lives of men, women and children - often by manipulating humanity's selfish desires to their purposes. In other words, they are not our friends, and they work best under the radar screen - in the dark. The problem is, it is more than "they are not our friends", they are our enemies, and they work actively to attack and destroy us, our lives, and our futures. Then, once the dirty work has been done, they attribute their handiwork to secondary causes - things which were happening at the time and surround the event, but which do not explain or direct us to their activity and the entire scope of their work.

Suicide is one illustration of their work - A recent tragedy in the news shows that even a Hollywood star who seems to have his whole life before him (young, 28 years old) - a person who seems to have "everything" - he didn't have the ability to protect himself against such spiritual attack. The culprit wasn't so much the dispair he fell into as the spiritual forces manipulating that dispair and using his vulnerability to dispair in order to drive him to destroy his own life. Another illustration might be a childhood friend of mine who was asthmatic. He needed that "puffer" thing when he had his attacks. One day in high school the other boys took it from him, causing him to panic. They threw it around a circle to each other and laughed as my friend made a mad dash from person to person (becoming more panic striken at each throw). They thought his desperation funny. Then they threw it in the nearby dumpster and ran away, laughing. He never made it into the garbage bin to retrieve it. He was a dear friend and he is greatly missed. We can attribute this tragedy to the thoughtlessness of youth - or we can see a bit deeper and beyond to the spiritual forces which motivated and manipulated those young men to that cruel and thoughtless behavior.

What has that to do with your health and the health of those you care about?
What does it have to do with your own well being, longevity and the obesity epidemic?
Everything... keep reading.

The reason I must give you this background - give the spiritual part first - is so you don't think I am going after big business as evil (whose motives are always tied to bottom dollar profit taking). They may be complicit in this deception, some corrupt officials, too - just as the boys who kept the medication from my friend were also - but the ultimate responsibility is on the spiritual motivating forces involved who target mankind. And it is them which we are fighting, not the people involved. There were no charges against those young men whose actions led to the death of my friend. Just as now the courts have disallowed people to sue McDonalds or any other fast food place for becoming fat eating their food. McDonald's can't be held accountable for helping the obesity epidemic, the courts say, and neither can those thoughtless youth be held accountable for their unintentionally causing my friend's death. But in my friend's case, this tragedy was only one person - but the problem we are dealing with in this "obesity epidemic" is system wide. Rather than assign culpability to any one person, retailer or element, I think we must not be put off from performing our due diligence and then correcting the problem. We will find many who will profess the most innocent and good intentions (and therefore they have a lack of vulnerability to redress at court). These humans involved will wipe their hands and claim innocency when indicted with the criminality of the results of their actions against the public good. But we cannot be appeased by people - by those who say they are sorry and will reform - that they didn't know, etc.. only to let it lapse into no underlying change for the public good. We must act.. and the first place to act is for your own good, and the good of those you care about.

So, ultimately, I am seeking to empower you personally - to help you take this into your own hands - so you might act to preserve your life long before any big changes pressure industry or manage somehow to force the hand of a court for redress of the underlying problem. Because, you see, the problem is deeper than just "overeating" or supersized meals and little self-control - It is criminal negligence and complicity with the enemy of our souls at the highest levels possible. And even if we cannot affect such a monolith or change their mentality easily, we should act in our own self defense to protect ourselves and our loved ones from the claws and trap of these spirits acting through human negligence (and self-interest) to attack our health, vitality, longevity and strength. I assure you, I do not speak unadvisedly. I have and will present to you the proof.

Most of all, I want you to save your own life and not rely on big brother to do it for you. Because, quite obviously, he fell asleep at the wheel some time ago - or the "epidemic" (and what is behind it) would not be here. The centers for disease control (or other governmental bodies) would have been alerted and full measures implemented - including quarantine - if this were a mere physical disease running unchecked among the populace. And we wouldn't be blaming the participants who fall sick. We'd be looking for the way to get the disease under control, not telling them to get plenty of rest, take a pill and drink more liquids and wash their hands frequently. Which is the response to this current epidemic of obesity - just exercise, do better nutrition, cut back on the empty calories, take a diet pill and join AA (I mean WW - weight watchers). There is a reason this is not working and each decade, dispite diets and exercise rooms, the obesity epidemic gets worse and the public health suffers. And we need to see this trap quickly, before it gets worse. There is something more sinister at work here, sapping the health of the nation from us.. insidiously and ultimately with malicious intent.. slowly, but surely.
See this link:

http://www.weight.com/obesity_2001.gif

The link shows that someone fell asleep at the wheel and we are witnessing a slow motion crash of the public health. It takes a few years to happen, but as you watch the gif turn from year to year you can see that things are definitely getting worse. Dispite our best efforts to resolve this crisis, something remains undone. The problem is not solved. No matter the measures implemented to stop this 'epidemic', it has continued on in spite of those best efforts.. be it diet changes, exercise or any other factor. Something more sinister is at work here, and this change is not just due to age as is shown by the fact that the 'epidemic' has now spread to the young in larger numbers than ever before and they are now getting diseases usually attributed only to old age (see also Frontline: Diet Wars and other sources for information on the widespread problem of childhood obesity and resulting diseases which usually afflict only the elderly population).

These creatures (demons) are depicted in the Bible as personalities with intelligence. They are actually MORE intelligent and work in more dimensions of reality than we do. The higher dimensions of space (which String Theory predicts) are inhabited.. and they are one of the beings within the upper realms. Apart from their superior position on the spiritual food chain, (man may prey on animals - being the top of the physical food chain - but they are "higher up" than we are and they prey upon mankind - seeking to end the lives of the people on earth prematurely) the problem is that they also have the accumulated wisdom of time. Demons don't die. They are spirit-beings which have no mortal lifespan, and being around for many years does allow them to accumulate a lot of information. Think how it would be for you. Think of how much more you know now than when you were in elementary, junior high, or even high school - how about five years ago, ten.. think about how much more you learn as you go along. Remember the days without computers? How about the days before texting, cel phones and ipods? You have learned a lot of information and many things have progressed. Suppose you could expand your life experiences and learning time into thousands of years.. would you be wiser than the rest of the human race? Of course you would. You would run circles around the rest of us. We would look like primitive cave dwellers in comparison to your knowledge. Carl Sagan said that any technology, sufficiently developed, will not differ in its appearance from magic. (I often think of that when I step on an escalator, or when automatic doors swing open. :) ) Even so, your powers and ability to do things would look magical because of your superior knowledge and technical capability.

Even if they were not more intelligent creatures of a higher order than we are but only of the average intelligence of a human being, they would outstrip us by their ability to know things about mankind which they have learned over eons of time and which we haven't in our short lifespans figured out. And if you were in their shoes - super intelligent (more than the rest of us) and bent on our destruction - what would your first order of business be? I think it isn't hard to understand that the best military tactic would be to get people not to believe you exist - get them to scoff at the very idea that something you cannot see exists and is working toward thwarting the goals that human beings have - that way these beings can work uninhibited. If people don't believe something malevolent (with sinister intent) exists and is bent on their destruction, then they are kept in the dark about their activities... and those who scoff at the very idea are the ones who are most vulnerable to the manipulation of these superior intelligences. The reason why is because such people discount and are not looking for deception and traps. (I don't think that young man who just completed the newest Batman movie playing the part of the Joker and was a darling of Hollywood expected that he would be vulnerable to utter dispair over his life, do you?)

I find it amazing that most people do not wonder about the origin of the thoughts that come into their brains and uncritically accept that if a thought is in their head, then it is their own thought. When Heath Ledger first had a thought come into his mind that he should kill himself, I doubt he immediately and uncritically accepted it and did what that thought said to do. But over time, as it persisted (and he adopted it as his own), he did give in to it. Such are the traps which are set for the minds of men. If you scrutinize where a thought comes from in the print media and the bias behind the writer.. why accept uncritically any thought which pops into your head as unbiased and in no need of scrutiny? People who are motivated in the spur of the moment to a crime are acting on a thought impulse about how they should act and what they should do. Do people ever give a second to wondering where the thought came from.. ?? - is it possible it did not come from 'you', but from the unseen realm where spirit beings can inject their views into our minds at will? There are lots of "motivational" tapes and books on "positive thinking" which tell you to "reprogram" your mind to think positive thoughts. These are acts of war.. but against who? Is it really against YOUR bad thoughts? When you are sitting quietly alone, like Heath did in his apartment, if a negative thought does come to you.. is it really coming out of YOU? Or do they just "sound" a lot like you.. almost like someone is imitating your own thoughts and injecting negative ones toward you?

If you are not looking for a booby trap when you are at war - well, let us say the good American/coalition and Iraqi lives lost in Iraq were not due to ignoring potential traps of the enemy. Those in the trenches EXPECT the enemy to attack, and they are LOOKING for ways he may be trying to implement his traps. We would do well as a race to expect an enemy and look for his traps, too - even at home. I think the news bears testimony to those who do not look for nor expect traps and as a result, such people fall into the traps these superior intelligences set for them. Just as men set a trap for their prey, be it a slow-moving sloth or a swiftly-moving jaguar... and as men expect that their superior intelligence will win the day, so these set their traps for men and expect a harvest of taking many souls. How they do this is by affecting the minds of those who they can get to.. whether it is through false religion (Islamic fundamental terrorist bombers who daily attempt to blow up men, women and children are not led of God, I think you will agree), or through strange headspaces (Dispair, as I mentioned, or through cruel joking and thoughtlessness), or, as Carl said once, as a homocide investigator, he used to have to "get inside" the criminal minds he worked with in order to see how they viewed and justified the things they did... to solve the crimes they did. And he explained that each person who commits such crimes has "false reasoning" which allows them to justify their actions. Even so, I believe these creatures feed such false reasoning and try to make it as prevalent as possible among mankind to destroy men's souls... (Hitler comes to mind as an example - Nazism or Communism) In the case of our health, they try getting through a breech in our national security - by affecting and appealling to the minds and motives of those who are entrusted with the public health. However it is that they find room to work upon the mentality of mankind, they find ways to set traps for our feet to kill us. And I have found a key to one which they are "springing" on our generation - one symptom of which is the "obesity epidemic" but it does not end there.

Fortunately, there is a God. :)
And He is also active among us short lifespan creatures, to help us (otherwise I think we would stand no chance against the superior intelligence of these forces set upon our destruction and constantly seeking to lay traps for our feet to ensnare and kill us). These are unpleasant thoughts.. as are thoughts of enemy traps to the fighting men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. But those in the Armed Forces are wise enough not to ignore the war or the traps because they know their lives depend on expecting those things to be a part of the landscape - whereas we collectively listen to those who assure us there is no battle to be fought and there are no traps set for our feet - even though there is abundant evidence (check the daily news) that there are traps set and people are falling into them daily - destroying their personal lives, the lives of their families - and in this case, their own (and other people's) physical health and lives.

I wanted first to impress upon you that it is not just the people and agencies involved - it is the plan and spirit behind it all - the "trap" set for mankind's feet - an orchestrated plan to ruin the health of the nation and destroy the best and most godly country in the world in order to bring the world's superpower to its knees and cut off its youth before they can do good things for God. America by and large is a godly nation, and therefore one whose collective health (mentally and physically) is strongly under attack by godless and malevolent forces. But consider.. why WOULDN'T America be target number one when they have so much influence in the world? And this epidemic strikes regardless of race, religion (or belief) or gender.

Charles Spurgeon wrote a daily devotional in the 18th century. By an amazing 'coincidence', as I began composing this set of posts, this day's entry which I read began this way QUOTE:
"Surely he shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler." --Psalm 91:3
God delivers His people from the snare of the fowler in two senses. From, and out of. First, He delivers them from the snare--does not let them enter it; and secondly, if they should be caught therein, He delivers them out of it. The first promise is the most precious to some; the second is the best to others.

This set of posts are aimed at least at the second.. but hopefully if this knowledge becomes known well enough, it may one day cause enough grassroots pressure that the deliverance of our society from this awful scourge may happen so that our precious young ones may never enter into it. It is a terrible shame to have diseases of old age afflicting the young.

And for the record, this does affect the health of the Iraqi people and the good of their nation, too. Because this has to do with the food supply, and unless they also act to deal with the damaging foodstuffs and drink present and pouring into the Middle East, those indulging in them will have the same accumulated disease states happen to them in time.

Next, I will explain the underlying catalyst and try to change your mind if you think the government is the best guardian of your health - no, YOU ARE.
Just as with other freedoms, it is the people who must be empowered to protect themselves.
Please Keep reading..

Sara.

-- January 31, 2008 1:14 PM


Sara wrote:

Save Your Life...

Part Two - An introduction to a larger problem than just obesity

What is causing "the obesity epidemic" and is obesity the only sign of this "epidemic" of disease?

This is a crash course in what is happening to undermine your health and longevity.. and the health of those you love, and few have the courage to speak about it. Let's look at that url again showing the growing epidemic of obesity which is continuing unchecked regardless of changes in dietary intake or exercise as it is a key to understanding that this is more than meets the eye:

http://www.weight.com/obesity_2001.gif

Experts say that no matter what diet people go on to lose weight, the vast majority of them cannot stay on the diet and regain the weight they lost.
QUOTE:

Many magazines and web sites bandy about weight-loss statistics, such as "95% of people who lose weight gain it back." But scientific studies about why people regain weight are contradictory. Some blame genetics, but research shows that heredity is only one small factor in weight gain or loss.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20030321.html

WHY do these people have trouble with their weight and keeping the pounds off? Are they really all just without self-control? If so, why is it a rising amount of people in the population according to the graphic above? Surely the number of people would not continue to grow exponentially if the only problem were self-control? Particularly with the proliferation of so many diets which shows their determination (or desperation) to deal with this problem - this should have solved the problem. No - this is more like contracting a disease (hence the term obesity epidemic). Experts just don't know the answer to this question.
QUOTE:

Many people confess that they've "tried every diet in existence", that they've "lost weight only to regain it again and again" and that they've been doing this for long periods of time – in some cases for up to 20 years.

"Why do people tend to regain weight that they have lost and land up in the vicious cycle of yo-yo dieting?"

At the moment, experts don't know the answer to this question. It has been suggested that some individuals have certain built-in factors that make it difficult for them to sustain weight loss.

http://www.health24.com/dietnfood/Weight_Centre/15-51-85,33465.asp

Now, so you don't think I am prideful, I will admit being uncomfortable at the thought of posting this information. I am not an expert.. and I haven't had years of actually doing everything which I am about to explain to you which the Lord has shown to me. But, He says to tell you as some cannot wait until a double blind test study of twenty years happens. They need to know what I know now, and He absolutely insists that I tell you and says lives are at stake. So I do believe the information to be true and will support it with ample evidence for you for you to judge for yourself. I do care about our health and want you to have long, healthy lives, so I do wish to obey Him and do what He has asked me to do. Let's continue..

What is the cause?

I believe that it is the case that what we are witnessing in this "epidemic" of obesity is the revealing of underlying accumulated damage to their internal organs and the body's ability to continue to protect them from those damaging effects. I propose that is the reason people are becoming fatter and having more problems with obesity has to do with actual damage to the control center of the hunger response which also governs "satiety, sleep and waking cycles, the autonomic system, emotions and our biological clocks." I refer to damage to a tiny gland within the human brain called the hypothalmus gland. If this is correct then it isn't just a "lack of self control" but real organ damage, and it makes sense that some people (and some people groups) would be more susceptible to it than others. Therefore, blanket condemnation of those who have this problem is like having someone who is crippled and you only have a sprained ankle, you can tell that person to get up and walk because it is easy for you. But for them, it is impossible. In the same way, this DAMAGE makes some people incapable on their own of "getting up and walking".. or in this case, maintaining their weight. It isn't a lack of self-control, calorie control or watching carbs, fat and protein intake. It is organ damage which controls their ability to stop eating. And this is shown by the fact that different people groups are affected more.
QUOTE:

"Mexican-Americans were more likely than non-Hispanic whites to regain weight," said the researchers, who cautioned that that this result "has not been previously reported and should be confirmed."

The finding did not surprise Dirk Schroeder, associate professor at the Rollins School of Public Health at Emory University. "Food choices offered [in diet programs] are not what Hispanics eat," said Schroeder, who co-founded a health information technology company serving the Hispanic population in 1999.

Hispanic dieters are more successful with a culturally attuned program that allows for larger meals midday and incorporates familiar food, Schroeder said.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/11/12714.html

Additionally, if it really were to do with mere appetite control.. why would it affect each people group differently?
Doesn't this point to the diet being responsible for differences..
and consider my explanation.. what if it dietary differences which have created more or less damage to the hypothalmus gland?
QUOTE:

Which diet works best may depend on your biology

Boston—May 15, 2007 Diets that seek to stabilize blood sugar after eating -- called low-glycemic-load diets -- are effective for long-term weight loss, and much more effective than low-fat diets in people who secrete large amounts of insulin, reports a study in the May 16 issue of JAMA.

The findings, from a careful study of 73 obese young adults, demonstrate that hormonal differences -- specifically, how much insulin the body makes -- help explain whether a diet is successful.

"A major question in the field of obesity is, why can some people do well on conventional weight-loss diets, while others on the very same diets do very poorly?" says David Ludwig, MD, PhD, of Children's Hospital Boston, the study's senior investigator. "The usual answer is motivation and compliance -- that people just don't stick to their diets. But our findings show that biology determines why some people do well on one weight-loss diet and not on another."

"These findings can allow clinicians to individualize the treatment of obesity by first giving patients an oral glucose tolerance test," says Ludwig, director of the Optimal Weight for Life clinic at Children's Hospital Boston and author of the new book Ending the Food Fight: Guide Your Child to a Healthy Weight in a Fast Food/Fake Food World. "People who make a lot of insulin may do especially well on diets that reduce glycemic load. They tend to do very poorly on low-fat diets, which are generally high in carbohydrates and raise insulin levels even further, which in turn causes weight gain."

Regardless of insulin secretion, the low-glycemic-load diet had advantageous effects on components of the metabolic syndrome, a condition closely related to diabetes and heart disease: high-density lipoprotein (HDL) or "good" cholesterol increased and triglycerides decreased. Patients on the low-fat diet did not have these improvements, but they did have reductions in low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or "bad" cholesterol.
"A low-glycemic-load diet in which saturated fat -- and thereby LDL cholesterol -- is kept low may be optimal for everyone," Ludwig speculates.

The study, whose first author was Cara Ebbeling, PhD, of Children's Hospital Boston, was funded by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, the Charles H. Hood Foundation, and the National Center for Research Resources. Co-authors were Michael Leidig, RD, Henry Feldman, PhD, and Margaret Lovesky, RD, all of Children's Hospital Boston.

http://www.hms.harvard.edu/news/pressreleases/ch/0507diets.html

Note that the HORMONAL differences explain whether dieting is successful. Again, damage to a hormonal gland - the hypothalmus gland - could account for differences in insulin secretion. The more damage to the gland, the more malfunction it will show.

Another example: In this brand new "accidental" finding where they were trying to get a man with obesity to stop having appetite by stimulating the hypothalmus gland resulted in their finding out that the hypothalmus gland (and so DAMAGE to it) also controls memory. That could prove that memory diseases are also due to hypothalmus damage.
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Scientists discover way to reverse loss of memory
Wednesday, 30 January 2008

Scientists performing experimental brain surgery on a man aged 50 have stumbled across a mechanism that could unlock how memory works.

The accidental breakthrough came during an experiment originally intended to suppress the obese man's appetite, using the increasingly successful technique of deep-brain stimulation. Electrodes were pushed into the man's brain and stimulated with an electric current. Instead of losing appetite, the patient instead had an intense experience of déjà vu. He recalled, in intricate detail, a scene from 30 years earlier. More tests showed his ability to learn was dramatically improved when the current was switched on and his brain stimulated.

Scientists are now applying the technique in the first trial of the treatment in patients with Alzheimer's disease. If successful, it could offer hope to sufferers from the degenerative condition, which affects 450,000 people in Britain alone, by providing a "pacemaker" for the brain.

The discovery had caught him and his team "completely by surprise", Professor Lozano said. They had been operating on the man, who weighed 190kg (30st), to treat his obesity by locating the point in his brain that controls appetite. All other attempts to curb his eating had failed and brain surgery was the last resort.

The treatment for obesity was unsuccessful. But, while the researchers were identifying potential appetite suppressant points in the hypothalamus, the part of the brain associated with hunger, the man suddenly began to say that memory was flooding back.

The discovery surprised the scientists as the hypothalamus has not usually been identified as a seat of memory. The contacts that most readily produced the memories were located close to a structure called the fornix, an arched bundle of fibres that carries signals within the limbic system, which is involved in memory and emotions and is situated next to the hypothalamus.

Professor Lozano is a world authority on deep-brain stimulation who has undertaken 400 operations on Parkinson's disease sufferers and is developing the technique as a treatment for depression, for which he has performed 28 operations. He said the discovery of its role in stimulating memory had wide implications.

"It gives us insight into which brain structures are involved in memory. It gives us a means of intervening in the way we have already done in Parkinson's and for mood disorders such as depression, and it may have therapeutic benefit in people with memory problems," he said.

British researchers welcomed the discovery. Andrea Malizia, a senior lecturer in psychopharmacology at the University of Bristol who is studying deep-brain stimulation as a treatment for depression, said: "If they had said let's stick an electrode in the hypothalamus to modify Alzheimer's disease, I would have said 'Why start there?' But, if they have had a serendipitous finding, then that is as good. Serendipitous findings are how a lot of discoveries in science have been made."

Deep -brain stimulation has been used for more than a decade to treat a range of conditions including depression, chronic pain, Parkinson's disease and other movement disorders.

Different areas of the brain are targeted for different conditions. For Parkinson's disease, they are placed in the subthalamic nucleus; for depression, in area 25 of the cingulate cortex.

Deep-brain stimulation was developed in France and first licensed by the Food and Drug Administration in the US in 1997 as a treatment for tremor. In the UK, the surgery is performed at the National Hospital for Neurology and Neurosurgery in London, in Bristol, in Oxford and at a handful of other centres.

The name of the procedure is in some ways a misnomer as it often involves inhibiting electrical activity in an area of the brain rather than stimulating it. The technique is as much about restoring balance between competing brain areas which leads to the tremor characteristic of some types of Parkinson's disease.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/scientists-discover-way-to-reverse-loss-of-memory-775586.html

Note that this is all about "restoring balance" to the brain. The brain lost its balance. HOW? Again.. damage to the hypothalmus gland, resulting in either more or less (unbalanced) hormones. In the case of obesity, it may stimulate too much insulin in response to carbohydrates, so that is why the low-glycemic diet works best. In the case of memory problems, it may be the lessening of the release of hormones responsible for memory mapping, but which can be artificially stimulated into activity by the use of electrical activity. But the common denominator is.. something is damaging the hypothalmus gland. If we stop the damage.. then we stop the resulting states of disease. Prevention is better than cure? Stop the spread of the epidemic by removing the damaging component from the human diet and we won't need to have electrical stimulation of our brains later in life, maybe? We won't need to stick on a low-glycemic diet to deal with our damaged insulin response? We won't need drugs for depression or anger therapy sessions? Because the hypothalmus controls emotional states, too. And as we see a rise in obesity, we see a rise in crimes of anger - from road rage to campus shootings - both things which were not prevalent in the population in the 1950s. Is the hypothalmus also going off its rails in these mental states.. contributing to them in a great measure? I believe so. The cause is small.. the effects, widespread. Just like a disease with sniffles, coughing, headache, chills.. it all relates back to one thing, the disease. So these effects all relate back to one thing.. damage to the hypothalmus gland stemming from our food.

The hypothalmus gland is the.. quote, "control center of the hunger response which also governs satiety, sleep and waking cycles, the autonomic system, emotions and our biological clocks."

Emotional problems due to damage to this gland could account for increased rates of depression, anxiety, anger, crime and even suicide. It is of note that,
QUOTE:

Suicide rates tend to increase with age. In the past twenty years, however, the increase in the number of suicides committed by young people has outraced their numerical increase as a segment of the population.

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=9934&page=63

What could account for an increase in obesity.. and an increase in the number of suicides by the young?
Damage to the hypothalmus gland.
What about the emotional state known as depression in the young.. is it increasing?
QUOTE:

Pre-schoolers are the fastest-growing market for antidepressants. At least four percent of preschoolers -- over a million -- are clinically depressed.
The rate of increase of depression among children is an astounding 23%
15% of the population of most developed countries suffers severe depression.
30% of women are depressed. Men's figures were previously thought to be half that of women, but new estimates are higher.
Depressive disorders affect approximately 18.8 million American adults or about 9.5% of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year.
15% of depressed people will commit suicide.
Depression will be the second largest killer after heart disease by 2020 -- and studies show depression is a contributory factor to fatal coronary disease.
http://www.upliftprogram.com/depression_stats.html

It is not just obesity.. this damage contributes toward coronary disease, affects depression rates, memory problems, suicide rates and also sleep disorders. That is because the hypothalmus is the.. quote, "control center of the hunger response which also governs satiety, sleep and waking cycles, the autonomic system, emotions and our biological clocks." If it gets damaged, so does our sleep cycle.
QUOTE:

Sleep Epidemic

The National Sleep Foundation estimates that most Americans are sleep deprived, suffering from diabetes, heart disease, obesity depression, and other health problems as a result. Sleep costs hundreds of billions in health and productivity losses. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration cites sleep deprivation as the cause for over 100,000 crashes, injuries and fatalities each year. A recent study at UCSD confirms that chronic sleep problems can cut more than a decade from your life expectancy.

It didn’t used to be this way.

Just a few decades ago, we took sleep for granted. Insomnia was uncommon, almost unheard of. What changed?

http://www.apollolight.com/sleep_epidemic.html

Sleep Statistics

Sleep problems are reaching epidemic proportions, estimated to be the #1 health related problem in America – CNN, May 1997.
Sleep deprivation costs $150 billion each year in higher stress and reduced worker productivity—National Commission on Sleep Disorders, 2003.
Mayo Clinic: Almost all adults don’t get enough sleep and most struggle to get up in the morning. “If we got enough sleep at night we wouldn’t need an alarm clock to wake us.”
Lack of sleep leads to health problems; fatigue, obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, shortened lifespan, suppressed immune systems and depression.
Recent studies implicate sleep deprivation in diabetes.
We sleep on average 6.9 hours/day, almost an hour less than a few decades ago.
Childhood insomnia is a high risk factor for adolescent alcohol and drug abuse—children with sleep problems are twice as likely to abuse drugs when teenagers. Univ. of Mich. April 2004 sleep study.
43 percent of respondents reported that daytime sleepiness interfered with their normal daytime activities, including work. NSF 2000.
30-40% of heavy truck accidents are due to driver fatigue.
National Sleep Foundation, 2002 Annual Sleep Survey
Almost 74% of all Americans do not get enough sleep each night.
Most will feel sleepy or groggy during the week.
51% of adults say they have problems sleeping at least a few nights each week.
Almost 1/3rd have trouble sleeping every night.
Half of all Americans can not get up without an alarm clock.
Alarm clocks interrupt sleep cycle causing, lack of energy, feeling unrefreshed in the morning.
Those with sleep problems are twice as likely to feel stressed and tired.

http://www.apollolight.com/sleep_stats.html

The hypothalmus is the.. quote, "control center of the hunger response which also governs satiety, sleep and waking cycles, the autonomic system, emotions and our biological clocks." That biological clock of ours has to do with healthy aging. But it also has to do with puberty, with menopause (and male menopause), and with aging itself. I will explain the aging part a bit more in depth later, but what evidence exists of hormonal damage to the biological mechanisms which have to do with puberty?

Puberty hitting girls as young as 4 years old
Oct. 27, 2006 — Most parents would agree that their kids always seem to grow up too quickly, but now, puberty is hitting young girls earlier than ever.

Nearly half of African-American girls start showing signs of puberty by 8 years old, and some American girls are developing as young as 5, even 4 years old, experts say.

Skyla Jones is an energetic 5-year-old from Georgia who loves to play.

Last year, her mother, Melissa Jones, noticed Skyla was tired all the time, had a body odor, and had blood in her urine.

"I didn't know what was going on," Jones said. "I just went ahead and thought she had a kidney infection. And we went on antibiotics and still it didn't clear it up."

Skyla was eventually sent to Andrew Muir, a pediatric endocrinologist at the Medical College of Georgia, who knew exactly what was going on.

Skyla was menstruating and was experiencing other unmistakable signs of puberty.

"That's what he told me that it was — that she was having a menstrual cycle," Jones said. "I was really freaked out."

Studies have tracked an increasing trend of early sexual development.

By age 8, almost half of African-American girls and 15 percent of Caucasian girls start developing pubic hair or breasts.

"The switch that normally gets turned on for pubertal development gets turned on too early," said Dr. Diane Stafford of Children's Hospital in Boston.

Until recently most doctors didn't expect to see these signs until age 10.

"It can have many causes," Muir said. "Some are related to genetics, environmental factors, and sometimes we just don't know why it happens."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2610353

What happens is the SWITCH is regulated by the hypothalmus gland.. and the hypothalmus gland is being damaged.
Briefly, "the pituitary gland is the master gland of the body, controling the adrenal glands, the thyroid and the reproductive organs. Through it the brain controls and regulates growth, metabolism and the onset of puberty. What controls the pituitary gland? The hypothalmus. It regulates the hormone balance in the body. It is the hormonal "thermostat". But the hypothalmus is much more. It also controls hunger and satiety, sleep and waking cycles, the autonomic system, emotions, and even our biological clocks. Even minor injuries to the hypothalmus gland can be fatal. It is extremely delicate both physically and biochemically." - Doctor Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
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Men's testosterone levels declined in last 20 years
Tue Oct 31, 2006
By Anne Harding

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A new study has found a "substantial" drop in U.S. men's testosterone levels since the 1980s, but the reasons for the decline remain unclear. This trend also does not appear to be related to age.

The average levels of the male hormone dropped by 1 percent a year, Dr. Thomas Travison and colleagues from the New England Research Institutes in Watertown, Massachusetts, found. This means that, for example, a 65-year-old man in 2002 would have testosterone levels 15 percent lower than those of a 65-year-old in 1987. This also means that a greater proportion of men in 2002 would have had below-normal testosterone levels than in 1987.

"The entire population is shifting somewhat downward we think," Travison told Reuters Health. "We're counting on other studies to confirm this."

Travison and his team analyzed data from the Massachusetts Male Aging Study, a long-term investigation of aging in about 1,700 Boston-area men. Data from the men were collected for three time intervals: 1987-1989, 1995-1997, and 2002-2004.

While a man's testosterone level will fall steadily as he ages, the researchers observed a speedier decline in average testosterone levels than would have been expected with aging alone.

They hypothesized that the rising prevalence of obesity as well as the sharp decline in cigarette smoking might help explain their findings, given that testosterone levels are lower among overweight people and smoking increases testosterone levels. But these factors accounted for only a small percentage of the observed difference.

It's likely that some sort of environmental exposure is responsible for the testosterone decline, Travison said, although he said attempting to explain what this might be based on the current findings would be "pure conjecture."

SOURCE: Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, January 2007.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews&storyid=2006-10-31T192336Z_01_KIM169763_RTRUKOC_0_US-TESTOSTERONE-LEVELS.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

For now, summary, the hypothalmus controls..
1) the hunger response which also governs satiety - result of damage - obesity epidemic
2) sleep and waking cycles - result of damage - sleep epidemic
3) emotions - result of damage - depression, disturbed mental states from anger, anxiety, etc. (depression is a contributory factor to fatal coronary disease.)
5) our biological clocks - disturbances in proper maturation/puberty, normal menopause/andropause, normal aging, hormonal levels (ie testosterone).
5) memory - (from the brand new findings yesterday I quoted) - result may be memory loss and contributions to Alzheimer's/Parkinson's disease states

The next part I am working on.. where is this damage coming from and can you avoid it?
(Yes, you can.. but it would be much better if they just took out of our food supply the hypothalmus gland damagers..
they won't without a lot of motivation and pressure from grassroots up, but you can at least save your own life from these disease states if you know what is doing it and how to avoid eating them.. on to the next part in a bit.)

Sara.

-- January 31, 2008 2:00 PM


Roger wrote:

Evil comes from within man.

Evil is taught to next man, and he teach his off springs.

Evil, destruction and a need to bring down his fellow man is originally not mans basic instinct.

He is basically a survivor, and anything that aids that activity is good for him.

Some men are terrified when another species are growing, expanding or dominating, they are feeling threatened.

This will come about in any religion, any political camp and any culture.

Man is a great analyzer, it never fails and it always give the right answer, the right computation and the right solution.

Mans downfall is when someone in his mind is serving false data, inaccurate, or misplaced data.

-"Don't play with the Jones, those people are of loose character, evil and a bunch of scoundrels".

-"Islamis't think that one of their Imams will come back, rise from the dead, and take over the world, make the world Islamic, and have forever peace and justice."

-"Christians believe that Jesus will rise up from the dead, take over the world, make the world Christian, and have forever peace and justice."

It is possible to present ANY belief, ANY philosophy, ANY religion, actually ANY intention in a negative way.

The INTENTION of doing so, is abberative, and non rational.

A religion, philosophy or belief in itself, can be irrational , and rationally described as irrational.

However, a blank statement, or teaching to our young, that anything else mankind have dreamed up other than what we believe in is wrong, IS IRRATIONAL.

The source of that intention is our own minds, probably a left over from our times as animals, that will make us animals to the degree that we associate, instead of differentiate.

A dog was whipped by a neighbours child, when no one was watching, and now the dog is shy, angry, reserved and non trusting of humans.

That IS survival for an animal.

That IS NOT survival for a human. That is a reactive, non thinking, fear based, animal instinct thinking, DARN GOOD FOR THE ANIMAL, BUT INSANELY DESTRUCTIVE FOR HUMANS.

A human bitten by a dog, will, with this mechanism be shy, reserved and non trusting of dogs.

A dog catcher, or kennel worker have got a bite, nip or an unruly dog on occasion, but he/she understands dogs, he don't have a feeling of being shy, angry, reserved or ill feelings about dogs.

He/she probably loves dogs. That person can think analytically about dogs, and don't have his mind filled with biases.

The more rational and the more analytically a society acts, the better off the individuals in that society.

Mo matter how much respect you have to give fellow man, when looking at some native societies, you will find pure insanity. I don't want to be cured from a disease by a shaman in a jungle tribe.

A mountain tribe, running around, the hills shooting, robbing, having no schools, having no production, having no infrastructure, having no rights, having no trade, having nothing that offers the rest of the world an exchangeable product that will benefit mankind, is nothing but a band of murderers and robbers.

It takes a very disturbed mind to agree with the action of those thugs, but if the thugs are screaming "God is great", a big portion of the population in the rest of the world will get immediately confused, thinking they are doing some holy cause, are some kind of heroes, and everything have a deeper meaning.

Insanity is not an on/off thing, it is a gradual thing.

Technically, you forgot your car keys in the car, is a very light form of insanity, but with very little consequences for you or the world and there is no need to bolt for the Prozac, but more of an amusement the next day.

To the degree a society is insane, to the same degree, man is not free.

Islamic countries have in their societies very very strong rules, social and religious conduct, dictating any and all steps they must adhere to.

Same as our Cristian societies during the medieval times.

This and that is a sin, this and that is blasphemy, this and that is immoral, this and that will send you to hell, this and that is a must.

When individuals must have a police to guide them, they will get a police guiding them. When they insist on a police watching them, they will get a police watching them.

THAT is the different level of insanity, mankind is experiencing, in different cultures.

What is good and bad, may or may not be guided by a God, but when it is good, sanity prevails, and survival prevails, the all so sought after peace and justice will prevail, and rational human beings can trust each other.

Right now on this earth we have a bunch of dog bitten individuals that is shy, bitter angry, reserved and non trusting.

Group thinking easily takes on a frenzic stupidity, a "cause" and downfall of that society.

Old south, Third Reich, Fascist Italy, Feudal Japan and many more all rallied around the destruction or bondage of another fellow man, and was destroyed, because the victims ultimately didn't agree, and other civilisations groups and nations could see that this was about destruction, nothing else, may it be in the name of God or not.

Just by the fact that it was against survival of man, made it a crime against man, and those societies was defeated....by man.

"Death to America, Death to Israel"....

Insanity still prevails in some corners of the world, and some are still confused, because they claim they have God on their side...oh well.

Yes,.... right,.... it is not a matter of IF, it is a matter of WHEN.

When survival is at stake, the act of surviving will be the moral factor that determines whether this was right or wrong.

How right can you be...survive.

How wrong can you be...dead.

For my own survivals sake, I will stay right in this issue.

-- January 31, 2008 3:06 PM


guest wrote:

I thought I'd give this forum one last try before giving up. The Forum Topic is "Iraqi Dinar Discussion 1/28/2008 to"

Is there any hope of sticking to that topic? Please respond so I can decide.

-- January 31, 2008 5:23 PM


Anonymous wrote:

SARA you are cut and pasting stuff from 2 years ago. Give it a break. You have clustered up this new page ALREADY !!!

-- January 31, 2008 6:42 PM


Roger wrote:

guest,

Iran is door to door with Iraq, where the beloved Iraqi Dinars are circulating, wouldn't you think that what the Iranians are doing would greatly influence Iraqi Dinars? Especially if they decide upon an extermination war?
Would that perhaps be a bit too much out of topic?


Another two months before ISX will trade electronically.

It was at the beginning of Aug last year that the Iraqi trade and security were going to start trading electronically, and now, we hear another two months.

I will take as one of the examples here, the cement industry. This is one industry only, but it reflects pretty much the state of things in Iraq, and why this is not an overnight get rich quick thing, but once going, a very lucrative investment.

The Iraqi market it's industrial base and it's oil gives the Iraqi nation a bit of a headache, as the main income is oil, but oil in itself doesn't employ the great masses, and the est of the industry is hopelessly out performed in many areas, because the industry base is old and almost beyond repair.

So lets have a closer look at the cement industry, it will reflect pretty much what the rest of the industry is doing and where we're at right now.

Well as everything else, the cement industry seems very promising and nice on paper.

1. Iraq is standing in front of one of the biggest reconstruction project ever.
2. Iraq have high class, high quality limestone in abundance, easily reached in shallow layers.
3. Iraq have an abundance of cheap fuel, to burn their limestone kilns in order to make cement.

Add all that together and insert the fact that in a similar scenario in Kuwait, the cement industry came out as one of the top performers on their stock exchange market, and this seems like a no-brainer where the investment is concerned, get a couple of cement stocks and your luck is made.

Not that easy.

Iraq is importing most of it's cement.

The Iraqi cement industry have for very long time been very neglected, as far as spare parts, modern machines, and high productivity production lines.

There are no big cement giants in Iraq, as in the rest of the industrial world, but most of the operations have been done batch by batch in smaller plants spread all across the Iraq nation. Once the order is filled, the plant is shutting down until another order is coming in.

The size of the plants are very very small, almost a mom and pap operation, and have been struggling to even stay alive in the Saddam Hussein era, where no large scale construction was taking place ( well except for his palaces, but that is small potato compared with "normal" construction in a country).

Cement industry is a very small margin business, and in order to stay alive, and expand it needs to have massive high volume plants, and an army of cement trucks.

This is an investment and business climate that the existing cement plants have never seen in the past, and therefore any past investment have been mostly geared towards repair of the old machinery.

The machinery is old, and spare parts are increasingly hard to get hold of, plus once working it is low volume yielding machinery.

Any chance of getting up to par with the rest of the world must therefore be a complete reconstruction of the whole industry, a consolidation of resources, and coordination of transport and delivery.

The chances of that happening with the existing plants are very slim, as the age, volume yield, and general condition of the equipment will not cost effectively warrant reconstruction, but rather a scrapping of the old machinery, and a total re-investment and rebuild with completely new and modern equipment.

Mining plants, have very little or no second hand value, but have mostly scrap value only.

As construction is picking up, the existing plants will get orders, they will manage in one way or the other to make and sell as much of their products they can, but must for a time also depend on imported cement.

Some cement plants may get a government grant, some might be invested partly by the government, some will not make it, and go bankrupt, some will seek foreign investors, that can haul in straight from the ship, complete plants, ready to start up, once assembled.

So to go back to investments here.

As we speak ISX have very few companies trading, many of them are "off the floor" and you can get stock in them only when they "happen" to be there (very frustrating).

This is however, a ground floor opportunity, it will not be a quickie, as the whole industrial sector needs to get modern stuff, modern investments, modern equipment, get it assembled, get it on line and get it producing day and night.

As we speak, they still are trading with chalkboards, and electronic trading will (as they say anyway) start in another two months.

The start of the electronic trading does in itself not mean anything else other than it will be a better way of trading.

It will however mean that in the eyes of the rest of the world the Iraqi stock exchange will be up to par with other countries when it comes to how to deal with stocks. That might in itself rise the confidence of the investors to invest more in Iraq, and take off some kind of mental barrier needed for the acceptance of Iraq as a serious investment object.

Iraq have a headache, it is blessed with oil, and thus money, but are cursed with very low industrial output, where most of the population needs to work in, in order to have a decent life.

The oil part is growing, and that is badly needed, because that part will finance the slower part of Iraq, the industrial base, that needs to get going preferably yesterday, but as with everything else over there. It will take some time to exchange out all the rusted power plants, rusted phone, and electrical lines, rusted up industry, and exchange it with new high producing modern stuff.

The point is, the ride from where we are now, and up until the whole thing is modern and up and running....THAT is the investment ride, that is the opportunity here.

It is your guess as well as mine what will go boom and what will be so so.

My take is, that (except from the oil industry) anything that has to do with construction will benefit, and go sky high, anything that have to do with new wires, in any fashion, new streets, new dams, new harbors, anything that will require a new pipeline, a new airport, a new modern hotel, new housing complex, anything along those lines will do well.

You need paint, you need drywall, you need building material, you need cement, you need asphalt, you need timber, and so on.

The game is to try to figure out what company are doing what in Iraq, there will be some hoops to jump through.

Most of those hoops are the information hoop, and with good research you will find the right category of investment objects that will fit in your head.

All in all, the country is up and running, but still have to change clothes from it's old days, it needs a new wardrobe.

By definition, you can not go wrong if the two basic elements are there.

1. They have money
2. They have needs.

The rest is not an Einstein equation.

-- January 31, 2008 7:14 PM


Roger wrote:

Pakistan, AlQaeda and us not being there.

Well, it was reported that one of the big AlQaida leaders was hit in the head by a missile in Pakistan.

According the Pakistanis, (that are embarrassed that there are AlQaeda there in the first place) they are reluctant to say that an AlQaeda leader was hit.

"Uh, there was almost nothing left of the bodies so it is pretty hard to say who was killed"

Locals was saying that they heard drones flying in the area just before the hit.

So...either Pakistan have Predator Drones, and don't know if they have killed an AlQaeda leader, or are unsure what blow up the AlQueda safe house, or an accident with explosives happened in the AlQueda safe house..... or we're killing AlQaeda in Pakistan with Predators.

I would go with the last option.

I would say that it is pretty safe to say that:

1. Pakistan agree to the US to fly Predator Drones.
2. Pakistan is well aware that they have AlQueda in their territory.

Therefore it is logic to assume that we are flying over Pakistan killing AlQueda.

-- January 31, 2008 9:01 PM


guest wrote:

Roger,
Sorry my post was delayed. I agree with you. My comment was directed to extended two part post about ?? obesity, early puberty ?? stuff out of left field.

You did make a comment about not wanting to be cured of a disease by a Shaman - in fact I was cured of a disease by a Shaman once.

Back to topic - do you have any take on today's announcement that the food welfare program is over. Also the meeting with EU news from today. And the end of the coins as of today. And the supposed deadline for Maliki ---- Today. Sends me back to the newswire tomorrow for sure.

-- January 31, 2008 11:58 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraq's revival boosted as oil production rises to 2.4m barrels a day
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Martin Fletcher in Baghdad and Robin Pagnamenta
Oil production in Iraq is at its highest level since the US-led invasion of 2003, reaching 2.4 million barrels a day, thanks largely to improved security measures in the north.

The country’s Oil Ministry will shortly invite international oil companies to bid for contracts to help Iraq to boost output at its investment-starved “super-giant” oilfields. Production is expected to pass the prewar level of 2.6 million barrels by the end of the year, and Hussain al-Shahristani, the Iraqi Oil Minister, told The Times that he expected production to reach six million barrels a day within four years.

The International Monetary Fund predicts that Iraq’s economy, boosted by rising oil revenues, will grow by more than 7 per cent this year, compared with 1.3 per cent last year.

A new report from the US Inspector-General says that the Iraqi Government will receive a $15 billion (£7.5 billion) windfall to help its reconstruction efforts thanks to soaring oil prices.


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Mr al-Shahristani said that the Government would not wait for Iraq’s fractious parliament to approve long-delayed legislation providing a legal framework for foreign investment in the oil industry. The Government is to invite foreign companies to help Iraq to develop new fields.

Jeroen van de Veer, the chief executive of the Anglo-Dutch oil company Shell, confirmed yesterday that it was “very interested” in new opportunities in Iraq, which sits on the world’s third largest proven oil reserves. “We have made various proposals to the Government,” he said.

The company is understood to be interested in a gas field called Akkas, in Anbar province near the border with Syria, to produce supplies for export to Europe. Eastern Anbar was until recently one of the most violent parts of the country, although tribal militias have ensured greater security.

Shell, which had worked in Iraq for decades until the 1970s, is also thought to be interested in building an export terminal in Basra for supercooled, liquefied natural gas for export to other parts of the Middle East. A number of other Western oil companies are interested in opportunities in Iraq. They include Total and the Norwegian company DNO, which has a drilling programme in the Kurdish region of Iraq.

Mr al-Shahristani suggested that the competition would be intense. “Everybody in the world, more than 45 companies, have approached us and shown a very keen interest in working with us — the Chinese, Russians, Indians, Brazilians,” he said.

Reliable economic statistics remain almost impossible to collect in Iraq, but US officials said that the Government had cut inflation to 5.5 per cent from 60 per cent a year ago.

The Iraqi dinar has strengthened against the dollar. Property prices are rising in safer parts of Baghdad. But unemployment remains stubbornly high at 18 per cent, and 40 to 60 per cent of the population are employed for less than 15 hours a week.

Foreign investment remains minimal apart from the $3.75 billion paid by three consortiums last year for mobile telephone licences.

The US military is trying to prime the economy by directing contracts worth more than $100 million a month to Iraqi businesses, generating an estimated 42,000 jobs.

On the streets of Baghdad and other cities it is now possible to see new building projects, bustling markets and other signs of economic regeneration for the first time since the war, but confidence remains fragile.

Jalil Khalid, 39, a store manager in central Baghdad, said that business was gradually improving but added: “Every time there’s any stability and people start coming back another bomb goes off and they vanish again.”
(www.timesonline.co.uk)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 1, 2008 9:53 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

EU, Iraqi officials agree to pursue closer energy ties, make Iraq major supplier to Europe

Iraqi and European Union officials agreed Thursday to pursue closer energy ties, bringing the EU a step closer to turning Iraq into a major supplier and reducing its dependency on Russia.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 1, 2008 9:55 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Qaeda controls town in wake of U.S. troops withdrawal
By Mohammed Fadhel

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Members of al-Qaeda group have retaken a strategic town, some 70 kilometers south of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, members of parliament said.

The MPs said Tuz Khormato, a predominantly Shiite town, was now in the hands of ‘al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia’, the group’s official appellation.

The MPs gave no reason for the unexpected withdrawal of U.S. Marines from the town.

But they said the departure of U.S. troops has led to “a dangerous upsurge in insecurity” with bandits and fighters attacking travelers and vehicles on the highway to Kirkuk.

Tuz Khormato has a slight Turkmen majority. Iraqi Turkmen are predominantly Shiites.

Turkmen MPs have sent a statement to Prime Minister Noori al-Maliki’s government urging him to send troop to guard the city and the highway.

The town has been the scene of devastating suicide bombings in the past. In one of them more than 100 people were killed.

Suicide bombers have even targeted the town’s main Shiite Husainiya or mosque.

The statement said kidnappings had increased and the scene of headless bodies dumped on roads and the highway has returned once again.

“The tragic and horrific events in Tuz Khormato only a few days following the withdrawal of the multi-national forces (U.S. troops) is a clear indication of how ill-prepared and weak the army and security forces are,” the statement said.

It said currently some of the kidnappings and crimes occur as Iraqi troops and police look on.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 1, 2008 9:58 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Senior US Gov't Advisor David Satterfield Talks to Asharq Al-Awsat
Interview by Mina Al-Oraibi

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London, 01 February 2008 (Asharq Alawsat)
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The US policy in Iraq for 2008 will be focused on making the Iraqi government headed by Prime Minister Nouri Al Maliki work, rather than opting for a “Plan B”, that is, implementing a new government. Asharq Al-Awsat met with Ambassador David Satterfield, Advisor to the American Secretary of State and Coordinator for Iraq since August 2006, during a stopover in London returning to Washington from Baghdad, to discuss his administration’s assessment of the developments in Iraq.

Q) What is your assessment of the situation in Iraq following your recent visit there?

A) The situation in Iraq over the course of 2007 significantly improved with respect to two critical indicators. Firstly, more Iraqi citizens in more parts of the country are more secure today than at any point since [the war began in] 2003. There are several reasons for this improvement. One is the surge of US forces and the application of those forces in Baghdad and its environs and other areas affected by sectarian violence during 2006.

Secondly, we have more capable Iraqi forces that are able to fight the enemy and forces that are able to operate not just in partnership with the US but independently. This is the product of the training and equipping that the US and the Coalition have been involved in over the last few years. The so-called Anbar Awakening Council, which in fact is now a phenomenon that extends well beyond the Anbar province, has resulted in a diminution in insurgent Sunni attacks on Coalition and Iraqi forces and has led to the constraining of Al-Qaeda’s ability to conduct its terrorist campaign in Anbar and elsewhere.

Finally, another contributing factor is the fragmentation of Jaish al Mahdi, the ceasefire declared by Muqtada Al Sadr and the diminishing role of violence by Shia militias and Shia death squads. These factors combined have led to dramatically improved security and that is security reflected in any metric you care to look at whether attacks on civilians, attacks on Iraqi security forces and most recently a welcome development that is less attacks on US and Coalition forces which had increased earlier last year as the fight was taken to the enemy.

The other significant area of positive progress in 2007 was in the economic field. The Iraqi government has been more able, on the central and provincial levels, to execute its central budget to provide funding and to spend in a better fashion. I will give you an interesting comparison: in 2006, the Iraqi government was able to execute only about 15% of its capital budget whereas in 2007 we estimate that it will be 65% plus budget execution. Now this is a product of significantly enhanced government planning capability and this is something we have worked very hard on. It is a product of the better ability of governance at a provincial level once security has been restored. Anbar is the best example of this; to identify needs and then to deal with the central government in order to help meet those needs. Now our provincial reconstruction teams (PRTs) have been part and parcel of the stabilisation process, post-kinetic stabilisation, over the course of last year. As you know, we increased the number of PRTs from 10 to 28. We have sent over 300 new personnel to staff these teams and they work very closely with local government and local citizens in terms of developing programs that have a direct impact on improving the lives of Iraqis on the ground. We have worked at the central government level with all of the service and economic ministries to better enable the central government to plan, execute and assist in the local governance, as well as in the national services. However, we still have a long way to go and we do not understate the challenges here, but it is important to recognise what has been gained over the past period.

Q) So there has been significant improvement in the fields of economics and security; what about politics?

A) The political process is where much more progress must be made, specifically advancing a political dialogue, the concrete results of which advance national reconciliation. That is a critical goal, not just a rhetorical one but a very practical one. It has been the lacking indicator in Iraq over the last year and it is where our and Iraq’s focus needs to be placed over the year to come.

In September 2007, [US Ambassador to Iraq] Ryan Crocker and [Commanding General of the Multi National Forces in Iraq] General Petraeus frankly stated that the true national reconciliation, a vital goal, was a long term objective; however there must be progress towards that objective here and now in the short and medium term.

Therefore, Iraqi leadership, all of the critical leaders, Kurds, Sunnis and Shia, need to move forward to make government and governance work more effectively, to translate the better working of government into specific progress on the building blocks of national reconciliation. There has been some positive progress in the latter part of last year, a pensions law passed which contains many significant elements that amounted to reintegration of those who had been affected by the Debathification law into normal life of the country. That is an encouraging progress.

The Debathification laws themselves were reformed and passed in the Council of Representatives and will soon go to the presidency council; this represents a significant step forward. We have been very clear about this; no law whether in our system or the Iraqi system can be seen as perfect by all parties involved. Legislation in a democratic system needs compromise. We believe that such a compromise is present in the Debathification law, the so called Accountability and Justice Law. What is critical is that such law is implemented in a spirit of reconciliation and unification. Obviously we will be closely engaged with the government as the process is executed and implemented, but we regard it as a very positive step and we look to its full support by all elements of Iraq.

But there are other articles on the legislative reconciliation agenda that need to be worked on. The Iraqi government and the leadership of Iraq’s critical parties, as well as ourselves, see that the provincial powers law which will determine the relationship between the centre and the periphery should be a priority. We see this as a critical step towards passing a local or provincial elections law and towards holding these elections this year. All of this is important for several reasons. Firstly, the nature of federalism in Iraq needs to be better defined in order to provide a stable basis for the country to move forward not just at the centre but at the provincial and regional levels. There is no perfect solution in Iraq or elsewhere to the question of federalism. In the US we have been evolving different answers to that question for over 200 years and the same is true in other countries.

What is needed is the correct striking of balance now with the understanding that as circumstances in Iraq evolve, the answer to federalism will also evolve. But it is a situation that must be addressed now. Local elections are necessary to rectify the imbalance and distortion in local government that was produced by the Sunni boycott. Yet it is not just a Sunni issue; as Iraq stabilises and moves away from conflict, all communities will need to better address the relationship between the elector and the elected officials. This requires an open list electoral law, in which the elector knows who he or she is electing. The bond between the elected and the constituent would be much stronger than in the current closed list system. This is a major challenge.

Finally, there is the issue of hydrocarbons. For quite some time now the Iraqi government and ourselves have identified a hydrocarbon law as a key national priority. The full advantage of Iraq’s extraordinary hydrocarbon resources will never be realised to the benefit of the Iraqi people without a modern hydrocarbon framework law. We understand the debate between Iraqis on the issue of the type of law and the relationship between the centre and regions but a balance must be struck in a way that benefits all Iraqis.

During his recent trip to the Gulf, the [American] President [George Bush] made clear that decisions on the level of US forces in Iraq will be based solely on the developments on the ground and on the recommendations provided by General Petraeus. We see significant progress in security and we want to make sure that the right structures are in place, including the support provided by our forces, to sustain that progress.

Over the course of 2008, we will be negotiating a long term strategic relationship, a security partnership, with the government of Iraq, which will, by the end of this year, supplant the Chapter 7 (of the UN Charter) mandate which now provides the basis for the Multi National Force in Iraq and for our presence in that country. This is a very important step. In late 2007, we and the Iraqi government agreed upon a Declaration of Principles which lays out where we wish our strategic relationship to go not only in security issues but also in economics, social, culture, and scientific matters. We will be moving ahead on all of those different subjects as we speak as a sovereign nation to a sovereign nation as early as possible this year but no later than December. We will make the arrangements for our long term presence in the country after the UN mandate ends.

Q) Have negotiations begun regarding this strategy?

A) No. We are hoping that negotiations will begin in February.

Q) There are concerns in Iraq that these negotiations would be limited to one side and would not reflect the Iraqi nation as a whole. What is your response to these concerns?

A) This is a critical issue for both of our countries, a national, strategic issue. It requires a national decision, not the decision of any one group or any one individual. The Iraqi government told us recently that in a meeting for the 3+1 (Presidency Council and Prime Minister) that there has been a formal agreement that the Iraqi negotiating team, which is still in the process of being formed, would reflect all of Iraq. It will represent the Group of Five (main Iraqi political parties), and would reflect the input of all the concerned ministries of the Iraqi government. We’re very pleased by this.

Q) How will the United States benefit from such an agreement, especially considering that it has other military bases in the region?

A) First of all, it is appropriate for Iraq as a sovereign nation to negotiate as a sovereign country with the United States, or with other members of the Coalition should it choose, to establish a basis for a continued presence and mission in Iraq that can be presented to the Iraqi people and to the world as a sovereign decision and not imposed from outside.

The fact remains that in the long term, a different relationship is necessary based on a different foundation that respects Iraq’s sovereignty. What we gain is that more secure, stable, long term footing for what we believe, what the Iraqi government believes, frankly our partners and allies throughout the region believe an essential central US presence in Iraq is complimentary to the US presence elsewhere in the region.

The region and Iraq both continue to confront many threats. In the case of Iraq, as it moves towards greater stability and security, there is still the need for an assisting presence from US and coalition forces. If one looks at the common threats posed by Iran to the region itself there is a need for a strategic outlook from the part of the Gulf and from the part of Iraq. We want to see Iraq thoroughly integrated into the region with its neighbours. They confront common challenges.

Q) There are fears in Iraq that the country would become a buffer to settle political accounts with Iran. What is your response to these concerns?

A) We do not believe and we certainly do not wish for Iraq to become a “buffer zone” as you called it or a point of conflict or an area of conflict either between Iran and the Arab world or between Sunni and Shia. We do not believe this should be the future of Iraq and we do not believe such an outcome would be of advantage to Iraq, the region as a whole or to the United States and so we are certainly working to see Iraq emerge as a sovereign and secure nation with good relations with all of its neighbours.

Q) With respect to Iraq’s other neighbour, Turkey, is the United States doing enough to protect the Kurds?

A) I was recently in Ankara and I had discussions with the Turkish political leadership. The Turkish government, I believe, is quite appreciative of the support provided by the United States over the course of the past several months in a common challenge against the terrorist threat posed by the PKK [Kurdish Workers Party]. We are determined, working with the government of Iraq, the Kurdish regional government and the government of Turkey to decisively confront the threat posed to all of our interests. Many things are required from each side in order for an ultimate end to the PKK terror threat to be achieved. Certainly from the standpoint of security measures the best possible cooperation and coordination between the United States and the Turkish government is required and we are committed to providing that coordination and cooperation. But the ultimate resolution of this issue will require a comprehensive approach that includes military measures but which also includes other steps that ultimately make it possible or should make it possible to constrain the PKK and then eliminate it as a terrorist force. This has gone on for too many years; too many innocent Turkish citizens have died and indeed Kurdish citizens have died as a consequence of this violence along with those who have suffered as a result of the dislocation that the PKK has compelled and it needs to be brought to a halt.

Q) What about the Kurdish Regional Government?

A) The Kurdish Regional Government has adopted several measures in constraining or containing the ability of the PKK to access support. Those actions need to be continued and they need to be enhanced and there needs to be no ambiguity whatsoever on the part of the Kurdish Regional Government leadership that the PKK is a terrorist organisation that poses a threat to the people of the Kurdish region just as it poses a threat to Turks.

Q) Many questions are being asked about the role to be played by Iraq’s neighbours. Has there been any development in this regard especially during the recent visit by American President George Bush to the region?

A) It is very important that Iraq receives the support of its neighbours as it moves forward towards greater stability, security and peace. Arab neighbours of Iraq have a critical role in helping to support that stable, secure and peaceful Iraq. During the President’s recent visit to the Gulf and to Egypt, he personally reinforced the message that the greater positive involvement of Iraq’s Arab neighbours in this process of stabilisation was important as sovereign state to sovereign state. The President shares the concern of the Gulf regarding the threat posed by Iran. The best way to address this threat in the context of Iraq is by building strong constructive relationships by establishing a diplomatic presence for Iraq’s Arab neighbours in Iraq. Right now, other than the United States, the largest presence of a foreign state in that country is Iranian; that should not be the case.

With respect to Iran, the United States is ready, as we have been for some time, to conduct talks in Baghdad on security issues related to Iraq. We are awaiting an Iranian response to what is a US and Iraqi offer because these talks are trilateral.

We continue to see Iran’s behaviour in Iraq as threatening to Iraq’s security and stability. We continue to see a flow of lethal weapons and lethal training to violent elements within Iraq and this obviously needs to come to a close.

Q) But there have been contradictory reports that state that there has been a decrease in the number of weapons entering Iraq from Iran whilst others claim that there has been an increase. What is your response to this?

A) There has been no change that I’m aware of in our judgment over the past several months that the provision of arms and the provision of training has not significantly diminished. The number of explosively formed projectile (EFP) attacks on US forces has gone up over the course of the last month or so. Whether or not violence by Iranian-backed groups that continue to be supplied and trained has or has not gone down is an issue for debate.

Q) How would you describe your relations with Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki?

A) We support the Prime Minister as the democratically chosen leader of a national government committed to a national reconciliation agenda. We support him in the context of his work with Iraq’s other leaders, the presidency council; [President] Jalal Talabani, [and Vice Presidents] Adel Abdul Mehdi, Tariq al Hashimi and the Kurdish leader Masoud Barzani. Collectively, they work to advance the national agenda to which they agreed upon last August. We have good relations, close relations with all members of the Group of Five but our message to them all is that for Iraq to move forward on the vital political reconciliation track they must work together and they must form a critical mass of consensus on vital issues such as the issue of Debathification, the pension law and upon the provincial powers law, a provincial elections law, holding national elections…

There has to be a national consensus on how reintegration into the life of the state, either civilian or military, of the so-called popular committee, which we call concerned local citizens will take place. How the Iraqi government reaches out to those who in violent conflict with the government and coalition forces but have now turned their sight to Al Qaeda, how does the government bring them in? These are all issues that require a national consensus to be formed and to become operational and time is short, it’s a priority.

Q) There is often talk of a “Plan B” and of changing government; is that a viable option?

A) We have made very clear, at the level of the Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, reflecting the strong view of the US president that the focus of Iraq will be the 3+1, the Presidency Council plus Prime Minister Maliki, needs to be about making this government work, not about changing the government.

Q) Will changes be made to US policy in Iraq following the American presidential elections?

A) I don’t have a political crystal ball and I obviously would never speak for the decisions which may be taken by the next president of the next administration; I can however speak about the political direction for the current administration which has another year in office. We are determined to pursue the goal of a more stable, more secure, more peaceful Iraq, better supported and part of its region that is able to contribute to the global fight against terror and the regional fight against terror and violence.

Q) With respect to Kirkuk do you expect a consensus to be reached?

A) The US view of the issue of implementation of Article 140 of the constitution often called the Kirkuk Resolution (but it has a broader potential scope than simply Kirkuk) is that resolution of this issue should reflect a consensus amongst all of the affected parties. A unilateral resolution or attempt at resolution which has the effect of dividing and increasing tension is certainly not desirable or accepted but the ultimate resolution of Article140 should be a resolution that builds unity and that reduces tension and violence not the opposite. That is our position.

With respect to the process to take the resolution to that point, we are very pleased at the significantly more active role that has been played by the United Nations through the agency of UNAMI, the United Nations Assistant Mission for Iraq, and its new special representative Secretary General Staffan De Mistura.

There is an internal date, a working date that has been set for bringing this to conclusion but our view would remain that what is important here is not arbitrary dates; what is important is a process that contains substance for all sides and that over whatever period, there is a resolution which is agreed upon by all of the affected parties.

Q) Is there still a warrant for the arrest of Muqtada al Sadr?

A) It is not a relevant issue in Iraq politically but my understanding is that there has never been a change in the status of that warrant. I cannot speak for Muqtada al Sadr’s motivations or ambitions. What I can say is this; the Coalition, the Iraqi government, the Iraqi security forces have all been working with leaders of Jaish al Mahdi who have been willing to move away from violence towards a peaceful dialogue as we have been discussing national reconciliation throughout this past period with members of the Sadrist movement. Whether Muqtada al Sadr himself chooses to become part of this positive political process, I can’t say. That is for him to decide.

Q) One of the key issues relating to reconciliation is related to the sentences for the guilty parties in the Anfal trial. What is the American position on the sentence of execution for the former Defence Minister Sultan Hashim?

A) Our view is a very simple one; when there is a formal decision communicated to us that reflects a unified decision of the government of Iraq we will abide by that decision. At the present time there is no such unified decision, there are conflicting instructions. It is for the government of Iraq, the office of the Prime Minister and the Presidency Council to reach a single decision on this issue and communicate it to us.

Q) We are approaching the five year anniversary of the Iraq war, what do you feel is the priority for Iraq and did you think Iraq would be where it is now?

A) The highest priority for Iraq especially over the year ahead will certainly be to move forward the process of national dialogue, national reconciliation, to find a way to secure and make permanent, to make irreversible the progress that has taken place over the past period especially regarding security. Only a political process can do that and political dialogue can do that. What it means to be Iraqi needs to be defined and the answer must be an Iraqi national answer, not an answer imposed or dictated by any one group or in conflict with other groups but a national answer.

Q) You spoke about the positive developments that have taken place in Iraq, are you optimistic that Iraq will get through this difficult stage?

A) I am cautiously optimistic based upon what I have seen achieved over the past year. Over the year ahead, progress will continue to be made, not only on national security or economic issues but on the very challenging questions of political dialogue.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 1, 2008 10:01 AM


Roger wrote:

Guest,

If you were cured by a disease by a shaman, that is good for you.

I hope you got the idea of what I was saying.

I didn't say ALL other cultures have No knowledge. All cultures have knowledge to some degree or the other. A shaman might very well have cured you, and he might have a cure for this or that, as he is mainly working on the spiritual plane, and those things "spirits" have powers.

However for a bona fide sickness, a known virus, with a known antibiotic. A broken bone, that can be x-rayed, and set, a tumour that can be CAT scanned and detected, and radiated, a laser eye operation, and an inflamed appendix, I rather go to the medical field rather than be cured by a song, chant or a dance.

The modern medicine are all knowledge's accumulated, tested and tried, and proven to work.

That is not to say that ALL old or other "alternative" medicine is useless.

Chinese old medicine of all older fields of medicine was probably one of the most successful in it's time, and is at the moment the rage here in the west, but the interesting thing is, that the Chinese themselves are eagerly learning the modern medicine.

When it comes to spiritual healing, a field that touches to medicine, but mainly addresses the spirit and the mind, that have of course a place in itself, and perhaps the modern medicine have forgotten or are denying, or just have no association at all to the spirit.

But that is another story.

As a technology, few parts of the modern medicine can be disputed, and having a choice of a jungle doctor or a hospital,...I prefer the hospital.

Well. put it this way, if the hospital would be the car mechanics place, where my body (the car) would be fixed, I would go to the very best certified mechanic, with all the modern diagnostic tools, where the mechanics floor was shining, and he would have his tools all polished and lined up.

I know that the car would be put back mechanically within the original specifications at that place.

If I would be a lousy driver, hanging on the clutch, pulling out the choke and hang a handbag, leaving the parking brake on, cruise in the passing lane, leaving my left turn signal on, having my belt buckle dangling out side the car, never shift, and have a habit of not closing the fuel cap, and so on, I know I would hurt both the car and myself financially with an endless broken car, that in the end may lead to an inability to feed my young.

However, those issues are not issues of the car mechanic, it is drivers issues, (spiritual)and at that time I could use some guidance so I would consider going to driving school (the Shaman)

-- February 1, 2008 2:32 PM


Steve wrote:

All,
Uk troops in Iraq are haveing a hard time getting any dinars, as the yanks are buying them hand over fist at the moment, sounds like something good might be going on

Some sites for good info for those of you that do not know of them
http://www.oilvoice.com/open/
www.usembassy.gov/iraq/
www.rebuild-iraq-expo.com
www.usaid.gov/iraq

On wireing my last lot of money to Warka via the Desdner Bank in Germay, did not get there, Mr I at Warka emailed me to say it was not there and I should check at my bank in the UK, so I'm in my branch of HSBC, where all the details are all on my file, so it is just how many £ into $ to wire over, I ask if my Warka account in on the form and am told yes, well it turns out that the Warka account number is taken off after the money is send, and needs to be put on for each transaction sending money over, so with any amount of luck I should not get into this cock up again, touch wood, I have all the main companies that I am after at the moment and am picking up 50,000 shares in all the other comps at this moment in time, 50,000 is the minemun amount of shares you can buy in any comps, this is my blanket bombing on the market, any one not performing well in six months I will sell and dump the money into a better porforming comps, my company pension scheme is going to be worth the thin end of naff all, so my investment in the Iraqi ISX and my cash diner is now my best bet for a good retirement
Stay lucky, Steve.

-- February 1, 2008 9:34 PM


Steve wrote:

All,
Sorry about the ones that do not work, oopps

-- February 1, 2008 9:36 PM


Roger wrote:

Steve,

Thanks for the info, ok so when you are sending cash to Warka, it is like when you are sending a pic list to Warka for the next ISX trading session.

It has to be a new one all the time, and the old one will cancel after last transaction.

Ok fair and square, got it, thanks.

You might want to rearrange the six months stock performance deadline you have set up for yourself.

ISX was in its lowest dip, and started to move up, then came a crash all over the world, US and Asia, all over, and sure enough, the ISX followed suit.

NONE OF THE STOCKS HAVE REALLY TAKEN OFF, AND IF THERE ARE A LOT OF EXTERNAL CURCUMSTANCES, LIKE SOME ARE PREDICTING, A GLOBAL RECESSION, FOR EXAMPLE, SETTING IN, THIS WILL AFFECT THE ISX, AND MAY MASK THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE OF THE STOCKS.

Perhaps it might be an idea to redo your strategy to something like this:

WHEN the majority of the stocks in ISX are taking off, THEN let it go for some time (of your own choosing) and THEN make up your own mind of what stock to reinvest in, and what stocks to dump.

IF...that is IF a global recession will kick in,...or if, that is IF , Iran is acting up, this might slow the whole regions oil delivery, the prices might skyrocket again, but the oil deliveries might be harder to accomplish, and a long line of external circumstances can and will then influence the value of the ISX stocks.

It seems that, when everything is going financial and economical fine, that is when nothing else of big magnitude is happening, but Iraq and it's neighbours are all a bona fide "happening rich environment".

Wow, gotta trademark that expression "Happening Rich Environment".

***I can see a suit dressed man with sunglasses talking to his microphone in his wrist collar***....-"We've got us an HRE environment...stand by.."

Anyhow, I suggest you change the criteria from a set time deadline, to an expected result level instead.

Funny, just thought of it, the more media is there, and the more day to day coverage you see from an area, the more in recession it is, and the more the area is out of the media lenses, the better the area is doing.

Maybe some kind of truth, or business maxim, can be minted out of that.

-- February 2, 2008 12:21 AM


Sara wrote:

OK, one reply to what Roger wrote than back to Dinar..

Roger; You wrote:

-"Islamists think that one of their Imams will come back, rise from the dead, and take over the world, make the world Islamic, and have forever peace and justice."

-"Christians believe that Jesus will rise up from the dead, take over the world, make the world Christian, and have forever peace and justice."

It is possible to present ANY belief, ANY philosophy, ANY religion, actually ANY intention in a negative way.

===end quote===

I agree with you.. any teaching CAN be put in a negative way. However, Christianity differs from the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist view in that Christians do not believe they can "ushering in" the coming of Jesus Christ by killing people and subduing them by the sword to their religious viewpoint. They just preach at them Christian truth.. and hope they accept the truths which are presented to them. Such preaching angers some, but it sure beats the subjugation-by-the-sword way.

I also think the "negative" way of putting some teaching is usually a real teaching only distorted. You noted the paralell to Christianity in the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist mindset. I would say it is a distortion of true teaching. The truth, taken and twisted.. to make it into a lie. One which lies close to the truth.. but is in actuality so very far from it. All cults behave in the same way. They have truth in them.. but 95% truth with 5% poision will still kill.

You said, "No matter how much respect you have to give fellow man, when looking at some native societies, you will find pure insanity. I don't want to be cured from a disease by a shaman in a jungle tribe."

I have to agree with you there. Because even if the cure appears to "work", the medium through which it comes can be tainted, just like the viewpoints which are similar in your illustration above, but are widely divergent in the kind of people it breeds (peaceful preachers or killers with swords and bombs trying to subdue you to their religious opinions). In the same way, a shaman uses what the Bible calls "occult" powers to do the "miracles". In other words, it is those spirit beings from the higher dimensions they are calling upon and yes, they have superior abilities but as Jorde once said in a Star Trek the Next Generation episode when the Q healed his eyes so he could see.. "I don't like who I would have to thank. Make me blind again." The problem is.. who you have to thank for such a healing. It isn't God, quite obviously. No one says, "Praise the Lord!" when a shaman heals someone. And there is a residual effect from a healing which comes from the occult. It brings a bondage with it to the powers which gave the healing. I believe such healings are real.. I just don't like who you have to thank.. or the price which you must pay to those who give it (spiritually).

You said, "It takes a very disturbed mind to agree with the action of those thugs, but if the thugs are screaming "God is great", a big portion of the population in the rest of the world will get immediately confused, thinking they are doing some holy cause, are some kind of heroes, and everything have a deeper meaning." ... To the degree a society is insane, to the same degree, man is not free."

I agree.. which is why Jesus said the Truth alone can make free. To the degree mankind tolerates insane behavior like that, it will not be free.

When you say, "Islamic countries have in their societies very very strong rules, social and religious conduct, dictating any and all steps they must adhere to. Same as our Cristian societies during the medieval times. This and that is a sin, this and that is blasphemy, this and that is immoral, this and that will send you to hell, this and that is a must."

Again, I think you compare apples and oranges. Jesus Christ said that His Truth would set free. During the medieval times people did not have the Bible to read themselves. They went by the words of "holy" men who interpreted it to them instead, much as Islam does for its book. Those who did not adhere to the correct interpretation were burnt at the stake as witches. That was hardly what Jesus wished when He said knowing the Truth would set you free and then explained that His "yoke is easy" and His "burden is light". By knowing the TRUTH in the words He spoke, the people were set free.

The end of the darkness of the medieval times happened with the invention of the printing press. Then the people put off the interpretations of their "holy" men and thought for themselves about what the Scriptures said. It wasn't removing all rules that will set us free (You shall not kill, steal, commit adultery or covet your neighbor's goods are all good commandments and the basis of our laws) but keeping those principles while not adding anything more to what God said nor taking one word away, either. The difference is when you know the laws (like knowing the laws of the country) and can discern what is a law and what is an opinion or added command.

For instance, if someone says you cannot commit murder, it is against the law.. it is. When they say you cannot eat fish on Tuesday, you know that is not the law of the land. You are then free to ignore the command to not eat fish, but are obligated to not commit murder. But if you don't know the laws of the land, (or the laws of God) any idiot can tell you "God says" when He didn't and you may feel obligated to have to obey them (Islamics do, few of them can read, they just believe their preacher). Islamic suicide bombers have been apprehended with Koran verses they believed promised them heaven for committing suicide written on scraps of paper for them, even though they themselves could not read those words. I suggest that those words are taken out of context and that the words could be taken in another way.. they are by other Islamic sects. This morning, Down's syndrome women were strapped with bombs and detonated. They don't use the bright, educated, reading public for their dirty work. They use the mentally defective, gullible.. those who do not know the Truth.. and are therefore not free.

Freedom comes from knowing what is truly required by God.. and what is not. Jesus said His yoke was easy, His burden light and His way would "set you free". If it seems real tough and without any freedom.. (imagine the terror those people feel with the Koran verses in their pockets and just believing their joe-preacher-guy) chances are the person you are listening to has added something God never said in the first place. Usually it is because someone told that person "God says" when He really did not. And the only way they will know what is the truth.. is to look in the law of God (Bible) and see if it says so or not. Even here, when confronted with a false religious teacher, most just say "that seems really foolish, if God said that then God is wrong" and go their way.. thinking they heard from God and rejected foolishness from Him when they only heard the words of a mere man (or woman) and their interpretation of God's words (from the Bible misnomered crowd, think of Fred Phelps and his protests at soldier's funerals, claiming it is from God). Those who do not listen to them walk away from God and are without His direction and true freedom (My Truth will set you free) because they did not enquire as to the truth of those words they heard from a mere person. They didn't check to see if it truly is the law or only "don't eat fish on Tuesday". Only the direct truth will set free from men's commands and lies.

The Islamics are under a yoke of men's ideas, not God's. Christianity got free from that by letting the people read the Bible and interpret it themselves. The Islamic fundamentalist terrorists do not allow persons to interpret the Koran themselves, to the detriment of their followers. Once people think and are free to discuss.. they will see the truth and it will set them free. But maybe that is what they are afraid of all along. Truth is not afraid, obviously. Only error is. I think their interpretation of the Koran is wrong, obviously.. so do a lot of Muslims. But when comparing Islam with Christianity, I think Christianity sets more free.. (has more truth) just look at the civilizations which they spawn.. which one gives more freedom to more people.. American democratic freedoms based on Christianity or Islamic Muslim cultures? Which do you prefer to live in? Hmmmm.. I prefer Jesus' yoke.. it is easier and lighter than theirs.

You said, "What is good and bad, may or may not be guided by a God, but when it is good, sanity prevails, and survival prevails, the all so sought after peace and justice will prevail, and rational human beings can trust each other."

So true. We know that God is good. If it is from Him, it is good and sanity, survival, peace and trust prevail. Jesus said a good tree will bring forth good fruit.. a corrupt tree, bad fruit. You will know them by their fruit, He said. How does Islamic fundamentalist terrorist fruit taste? Like dead bodies and blood on the ground, if you read the news. How does Christianity taste? Well, I think America is the freest nation on earth in spite of all her faults.. and the fruit is good because the tree has the right roots.. in Christianity.

As you said, "Old south, Third Reich, Fascist Italy, Feudal Japan and many more all rallied around the destruction or bondage of another fellow man, and was destroyed.." The fruit was corrupt.. it did not stand. In time, the evil is rooted out of the earth.. because there is a GOOD God who exists and moves to bring it all back to normal. But the freedom of mankind to choose evil is a problem. We like that freedom, but it means for a time such things prevail. We see it daily in Iraq, unfortunately. I do not believe such evil is God's will... do you? Any more than these you listed.

You said, "Just by the fact that it was against survival of man, made it a crime against man, and those societies was defeated....by man." I think God had His hand over those men who prevailed.. as He always does in conflicts. But it was not instant or quick and He "gave many men's lives.. " during World War II for us.. so we may inherit a world without that error. Only mankind keeps repeating that same error in different forms.. maybe someone else (a higher sinister force?) leads them down the garden path again and encourages them to think such false thoughts?

You said, "Insanity still prevails in some corners of the world, and some are still confused, because they claim they have God on their side...oh well."

Absolutely. Jesus said to His disciples:

Joh 16:2 ... yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he does God service.

Obviously this you speak of here is a lie as old as the hills - at least 2,000 years old - this idea that killing is on God's side and in His service. To any rational being, such reasoning toward the murder of innocents is, of course, a lie.

As for your saying talk about attacking Iran of it being not a matter of IF but WHEN, being wrong.. I can only say that confronting the threat of Hitler was necessary to our continued existence and freedom. I wish confronting evil was not necessary because the evil would stop being evil. But just like Hitler, there comes a time when men (by the help of God) must stop an evil force. I believe that the US will be forced into war with Iran eventually. It is only a matter of time. In other words.. the US does not want it, but they will HAVE TO do it.. sometime in the future. I believe the US as a country prefers peace and not war, too - as do you and I. Just as the world did not want war with Hitler in World War II. History repeats itself. The extra stuff Rob N put in there about hog's blood was because he was angry, and I just overlooked that. It doesn't change the unfortunate political dynamic.. the Iranians stand now as a threat we will have to confront sooner or later. Best we do so carefully and with the least civilian casualties.. but thoroughly, as Rob N pointed out. Or it will become another world war, pulling in the entire region.

Sara.

-- February 2, 2008 12:43 AM


Sara wrote:

As for the two off topic posts..

I thought the subject matter important enough to bring it up, out of Christian charity. What is more important than your health? And so many suffer needlessly (and die prematurely) because they do not have understanding. As was illustrated by what I said in those posts, there is an explosion of health problems suddenly in the population. If you look at the documentation, it proves there is a deliberate and malicous onslaught against the health of the nation - particularly the young, such as a million preschoolers being severely and clinically depressed, enough that they are taking drugs - or those as young as five years of age experiencing puberty/menstrual cycles. Those are not rare exceptions, it is becoming widespread and shows a large segment of the population is showing hormonal damage. By age 8, almost half of African-American girls start pubertal development. As Dr. Diane Stafford of Children's Hospital in Boston said, "The switch that normally gets turned on for pubertal development gets turned on too early."

As I documented, the powers of darkness are using our lack of understanding about our physiology to destroy a tiny gland in our brains called the hypothalmus gland. It is serious and needs to be exposed. The board has the tolerance to take into account such an important but off topic post with grace.. unless they are in bondage to powers of darkness and channelling their sentiments. I note the only objection was from someone who admits to occult healing at the hands of a shaman.. a sure sign of direct demonic interference in their life. (Not many claim that direct a connection to the powers of the upper realms.) The lack of tolerance, therefore, comes from higher up.. where those powerful forces wish my silence that they may continue to murder innocent human beings in the dark, including those most vulnerable, our young. It may not be as large an onslaught as President Bush has had as a result of taking out the powers of darkness' darling.. the Butcher of Baghdad, but I do believe such opposition shows how upset that realm is with their activity being exposed.

Sara.

-- February 2, 2008 8:29 AM


Sara wrote:

Top Al Qaeda Leader Killed In Afghanistan
Jan 31, 2008

CAIRO, Egypt (CBS News) ― Abu Laith al-Libi, a top al Qaeda commander in Afghanistan who was blamed for bombing a base while Vice President Cheney was visiting last year, has been killed in Pakistan, CBS News confirms.

The death was first reported by a Web site used by militant groups.

Al-Libi was a key link between the Taliban and al Qaeda and was one of the Americans' 12 most-wanted men with a bounty of $200,000 on his head.

Before the postings, there had been reports of an attack on militants in a Pakistani village. Pakistani intelligence officials and local residents said a missile hit a compound about 2.5 miles outside Mir Ali in North Waziristan late Monday or early Tuesday, destroying the facility.

Residents said they were not allowed to approach the site of the blast and the Pakistan government and military said they did not know who fired the missile. Local officials said foreigners were targeted in the attack.

One intelligence official in the area, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the bodies of those killed were badly mangled by the force of the explosion and it was difficult to identify them. The official estimated 12 people were killed, including Arabs, Turkemen from central Asia and local Taliban members.

"It was a major success in taking one of the top terrorists in the world off the street," the official said. He added that the death occurred "within the last few days."

Pakistani counterterrorism officials say he was an al Qaeda spokesman and commander in eastern Afghanistan.

The U.S. says al-Libi - whose name means "the Libyan" in Arabic - was likely behind the February 2007 bombing at the U.S. base at Bagram in Afghanistan during a visit by Cheney. The attack killed 23 people but Cheney was deep inside the sprawling base and was not hurt.

Al-Libi also led an al Qaeda training camp and appeared in a number of al Qaeda Internet videos.

Maj. Chris Belcher, a spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan, said last year that al-Libi was a guerrilla fighter "knowledgeable about how to conduct suicide bombing missions and how to inflict the most civilian casualties." He had probably directed "one or more terror training camps," Belcher said.

Al-Libi was in charge of operations in Afghanistan's Paktia province, reports CBS News national security correspondent David Martin.

Belcher said al-Libi had been the subject of "especially close focus" by U.S. intelligence since 2005, when U.S. forces destroyed a militant training camp believed set up by al-Libi in the eastern Afghan province of Khost. That was an admission that terror camps continued to operate on Afghan soil since the Taliban regime's ouster more than five years ago.

Belcher described al-Libi as "transient," moving where he thinks he can count on support.

"Terrorists like al-Libi use the rugged terrain of the Afghanistan-Pakistan border to conceal themselves while they plan violent insurgent activities. Our sources indicate that Abu Laith al-Libi favors tribal regions, including North Waziristan," Belcher said.

North Waziristan is a lawless enclave in neighboring Pakistan where last year the Pakistani government reached a peace deal with pro-Taliban militants. U.S. officials have since expressed concern that al Qaeda could be regrouping in Pakistan's border zone.

Mir Ali is the second largest town in North Waziristan and has a strong presence of foreign militants, mostly Uzbeks with links to al Qaeda who fled to Pakistan's tribal regions after the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in 2001.

A Pakistani intelligence official said that al-Libi had stayed until late 2003 in the North Waziristan village of Norak, about three miles outside Mir Ali, where he had several compounds. Norak is about nine miles from where the missile struck this week.

Al-Libi shifted inside Afghanistan after he took charge of al Qaeda operations on both sides of the border area, but retained links with Norak, the official said.

http://cbs4denver.com/national/Al.Qaeda.killed.2.642549.html

-- February 2, 2008 10:21 AM


Sara wrote:

Al-Qaeda Figure Is Killed in Pakistan
By Craig Whitlock and Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, February 1, 2008; Page A01

BERLIN, Jan. 31 -- A senior al-Qaeda commander was killed this week in Pakistan, according to Western officials and an Islamic radical Web site.

Libi is the first major al-Qaeda leader known to have been killed or captured in Pakistan in more than two years. In December 2005, a senior operational planner, Abu Hamza Rabia, was killed in a Predator attack in North Waziristan, not far from where Libi is believed to have died.

Another senior al-Qaeda commander, Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, was captured in late 2006 in Turkey after departing Pakistan in an attempt to reach Iraq. He was held for several months in a secret CIA prison overseas before his transfer to the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in April 2007.

Henry A. Crumpton, formerly the State Department's counterterrorism coordinator and a veteran of the CIA's campaign against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in 2001, said the death of a senior leader such as Libi can foil or disrupt planned attacks and throw the organization off-balance.

Libi was also an instrumental figure in al-Qaeda's efforts to build an alliance with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, an organization founded in the early 1990s to overthrow Moammar Gaddafi.

The Libyan network had all but disbanded in recent years after many senior leaders were killed or arrested. In November, however, Libi and al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announced a formal partnership with the remnants of the Libyan group, many of whom had sought refuge in Pakistan and Afghanistan after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.

Over the last two or three years, Libi "became one of the real leaders for al-Qaeda," Noman Benotman, a former member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group who knew Libi, said in a telephone interview from London. If his death is confirmed, "it's a huge blow to their whole plan" to persuade Libyan fighters to pledge allegiance to al-Qaeda, Benotman said.

One Afghan militant leader who worked with Libi, speaking on condition of anonymity, said by telephone late Thursday that the Libyan "was considered to be like the right hand of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, and Dr. Zawahiri is considered to be the right hand of Osama bin Laden, so you can understand his position."

U.S. military officials have said Libi frequently crossed the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, and served as an important conduit among al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other militant groups in the region. He appeared in several propaganda videos distributed on the Internet by al-Qaeda, most recently in April.

His presence in Pakistan became a sore point between the Bush administration and the government of President Pervez Musharraf, especially after the suicide bombing during Cheney's visit to the region a year ago. Musharraf has faced criticism for allowing al-Qaeda's leadership to secure a haven in Pakistan's rugged border areas, while simultaneously resisting U.S. requests to send Americans there to hunt Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants.

Pakistani officials said they suspect Libi ordered two suicide bombings that targeted former Pakistani interior minister Aftab Khan Sherpao in April and December last year. The attacks killed more than 80 people during visits by Sherpao to his home town of Charsadda, near Peshawar. Sherpao survived the blasts with minor injuries.

One Pakistani official based near the Afghan border, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Libi's death would represent "a big victory because he has been very instrumental in the whole tribal unrest and cross-border terrorism."

Tuesday's missile strike targeted a home in Khushali Torikhel, a village in volatile North Waziristan, a tribal area near the Afghan border where Pakistani troops have struggled to subdue pro-Taliban fighters.

The home belonged to Abdul Sattar, a cabdriver suspected of having ties to local and foreign militants, residents and local officials said.

Some villagers said suspicious guests had visited Sattar's home in recent weeks, arriving in four-wheel-drive vehicles that were uncommon in the area. They said local Taliban sympathizers barred access to the collapsed home afterward, though witnesses reported seeing bodies taken from the rubble.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/31/AR2008013101799.html?nav=rss_email/components

-- February 2, 2008 10:52 AM


Sara wrote:

U.S., Iraqi troops kill 4 insurgents, detain al-Qaida local leader in Iraq
www.chinaview.cn
2008-02-02 21:39:52

TIKRIT, Iraq, Feb. 2 (Xinhua) -- U.S. and Iraqi troops killed four suspected insurgents and detained a local leader of the al-Qaida in Iraq network during a raid in Salahudin province in north of Baghdad on Saturday, a provincial police source said.

At dawn, the troops raided the village of Jallam, 25 km east of the city of Samarra, killing four insurgents and detaining Safa Muhammad Abdullah, a top aide for the al-Qaida network leader in Samarra region, the source told Xinhua on condition of anonymity.

The raid came as the security forces in the province are tightening security measures to prevent al-Qaida members from fleeing their strongholds in neighboring province of Nineveh where the U.S. and Iraqi troops are preparing for a major offensive against insurgents, the source said.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/02/content_7555556.htm

-- February 2, 2008 11:04 AM


Sara wrote:

This puts Iraq and the war effort front and center.
Is that the way it should be when the country is at war?

McCain surge puts Iraq war at fore
The likelihood that the war hero will be the GOP nominee creates a battle between Democrats over who can best challenge him.
By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
10:34 PM PST, February 1, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The growing likelihood that Sen. John McCain will win the Republican presidential nomination has sparked renewed debate between the Democratic front-runners over the Iraq war -- and over who possesses the strongest credentials to challenge a war hero for the duties of commander in chief.

The issue provoked one of the sharpest moments in Thursday's Democratic debate in Los Angeles, as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York argued that the party's eventual nominee would need sufficient "gravitas" to persuade American voters that he or she can be a strong leader while arguing for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, said in a telephone interview that Obama has "real gravitas, not artificially created, focus-grouped, poll-directed, rehearsed gravitas."

He also said Obama "doesn't go on television and have crying fits; he isn't discovering his voice at the age of 60" -- references to Clinton's much-publicized show of emotion during the New Hampshire primary campaign and her speech after winning the contest in which she declared that she had "found my voice."

McPeak later retracted his remarks, and the Obama camp disassociated itself from them.

McPeak, who served as Air Force chief of staff under the first President Bush and President Clinton, charged in his initial comments that Clinton's remark about gravitas was "the kind of lie that has one element of truth."

"Yes, gravitas is important, but a lot of the rest [of Clinton's argument] is obfuscation," he said. "It's almost like if you say that you have gravitas, you had it from being Bill Clinton's wife for eight years and Barack Obama had never earned it from his life experience."

Both Clinton and Obama have criticized McCain for his past comments that the United States likely would have to maintain a military presence in Iraq for many years. At Thursday's debate, both offered assurances that they would start troop withdrawals within the first months of their presidencies.

McCain, a vocal supporter of President Bush's surge strategy in Iraq, has charged that the Democrats have been pushing a "false argument" in focusing so much attention on removing troops from Iraq.

Noting that the United States has maintained a lengthy military presence in South Korea, he said during a GOP presidential candidate debate Wednesday near Simi Valley that "we are going to be [in Iraq] for some period of time, but it's American casualties, not American presence" that should be the main concern.

On Iraq, surveys continue to show strong public opposition to the war -- setting up what many Democrats believe is a winning campaign issue.

But, again based on the polls, McCain, a decorated naval aviator who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, appears to pose a challenge for the Democrats: The senator from Arizona scores high marks with voters for candor and his decision to back the troop surge, even when it was unpopular.

If security in Iraq continues to improve over what it once was and the Pentagon moves forward with its planned drawdown of troops, public discontent with the war could recede, strengthening McCain's appeal.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-iraqpol2feb02,0,1272905.story

-- February 2, 2008 11:19 AM


Sara wrote:

Isn't it always this way?
The HUGE headlines of accusations...
followed by obscure postings on the denial of such allegations.

Convict in the "court of negative news spin" by public opinion..
nevermind there has been no actual charges or even an investigation.
It is all in media spun perception.. whether intentionally done or just aiding and abetting the enemy coincidentally..

Quote:

British Deny Iraq Killings, Torture
Published: Feb 1, 2008

The British Ministry of Defense has denied claims that Iraqi detainees were tortured, killed and mutilated by British soldiers after a 2004 gun battle.

Alleged survivors of the battle said 22 people died and another nine tortured at a British army camp near the town of Majar al Kabir where six Royal Military Police were killed, the Telegraph reported Friday.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212128034.shtml

Chances are the "alleged survivors" are terrorist operatives - not civilians - stirring up anti-coalition sentiment at the behest of the terrorist leaders. Note the battle was in 2004!! Don't you think someone should have said something FOUR YEARS ago, if there was a problem? Anything to get more terrorist recruits.. after all, they are reduced to having to use women and mental defectives at this point. They need more takers to keep up the suicide bombing business.

Sara.

-- February 2, 2008 11:43 AM


Sara wrote:

U.S. shows photos of Iraq bombers
February 2, 2008
By Garrett Therolf, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

- The American commander is Baghdad says the images depict two women who may have been mentally disabled, and thus unwitting perpetrators in two deadly suicide attacks.

BAGHDAD — Senior American and Iraqi military officials produced photographs today that they said showed two suicide bombers who participated Friday in bombings at two popular pet markets that resulted in Baghdad's deadliest attacks in months.

The two photographs depicted the lifeless faces of two dark-haired women with oblique eye fissures, a wide gap between the eyes and a flat nose bridge -- all characteristics consistent with Down's syndrome.

"There are some indications that these two women were mentally handicapped," said Army Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond, the commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad. "From what I see, it appears that the suicide bombers were not willing martyrs -- they were used by Al Qaeda [in Iraq] for these horrific attacks."

Hammond showed the photographs to a reporter for The Times and a handful of other news organizations, but he declined to release the classified photographs "out of respect for the deceased."

"These two women were likely used because they didn't know what was happening and they were less likely to be searched," Hammond said.

Some officials said women carried the bombs at both markets. American and Iraqi officials say such methods are signs that insurgents loyal to the militant group Al Qaeda in Iraq are struggling to recruit Iraqi men and are finding it difficult to maneuver large vehicle-borne bombs past checkpoints.

Despite the carnage, Hammond said, "People are returning to their neighborhoods and peace is returning to Baghdad."

http://www.latimes.com/wireless/avantgo/la-fg-iraq3feb03,0,7292998.story

-- February 2, 2008 8:31 PM


Valerio wrote:

Sara,
I've been waiting for part three of your article. I for one am listening. Did I miss it? I'm aware of some of the exitotoxin problems, if that's what your talking about. I'm curious as to the specifics of the revelations you have been shown in this overall conspiracy. Don't forget our discussion about food a long while ago. I'm very concerned about what we consume as it relates to health. We may not even know how we have been effected by those things as well. You argued against me then, until I pointed out that even during the days of Noah (and before that) there was a distinction between the clean & unclean.

You said you are not of the Jewish race. I'm wondering how you are so sure about that? I have only been able to trace my own heritage back to Europe in 1600's. There are differences in the terms Jew, Israeli, and Israelite. An Israeli today is simply a citizen resident of that state, and has no linage requirement, or religious requirements. The term Jew means a few different things when you take it back to the original manuscripts. It can mean that one is a "resident or citizen of the kingdom of Judah". At one time all the 12 tribes of Israel were united under one king of Judah, but later there was a war between them in which 10 of the 12 were unified but didn't prevail to win the war, and were driven out of the kingdom leaving predominately the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and thus the "lost 10 tribes" who migrated over the Caucasus mountains into Europe and eventually the world. This was before the Babylonian captivity of Judah, and why you will not find them represented in those coming out of Babylon to rebuild. The term Jew can also mean more specifically "of the lineal tribe of Judah". The biblical term "Israel" is about a nation of people who are the offspring of Jacob, not a territorial place. There are also those who say they are Jews, but are not and do lie, but are the synagogue of Satan, as written in Revelations (when John was taken to "The Lords Day"). Jesus spoke boldly to them many times saying that they sought to kill him because the truth was not in them, and that their father was a murderer from the beginning.

The notion that only those who practice Judaism as a religion today are the only descendants of Israel is nonsense. Those who have not the Son neither have they the Father.

You don't need to be disappointed, you may very well be a descendant of Jacob, and probably why you are a Christian believer. Those who are of the flock recognize the voice of the shepherd and come to him. Others are drawn in being graphed into the family by adoption thru faith in Jesus.

-- February 3, 2008 5:43 AM


Anonymous wrote:

SARA , open your own web page and call it " nothing but SARA " don't you have a job or a church to go to ??

-- February 3, 2008 10:21 AM


Roger wrote:

The Elusive RV,

We have all pretty much come to the conclusion that this is a long term investment.

What talks for an overnight RV have however been there the whole time.

The closest neighbours in the Gulf Region are facing an economic dilemma that eventually have to be handled.

They have a steepening inflation, they are pegged to the Dollar (except Kuwait) and they are all together, the countries in the world that are sitting on most foreign currency reserve (counted together they are bigger than China) and are getting into a scenario where they have something called an "overheated" economy.

The RV talk is much more an open issue in those countries than Iraq, where hardly any official information about the doings of the Iraqi Dinar is discussed, or reported in the media.

The best we will get from CBI, a minister , or someone in those circles a statement by someone saying that this, or this, is under discussion, or under consideration, only to be followed a couple of days later that this is not the case at all, and the original report was a misunderstanding.


The GCC countries have a far more open and frank public discussion about their economical and financial issues.
They have to do something about their currency situation pretty quick, and the discussions about it have been surfacing more and more frequently as the urgency have risen in importance more and more. The discussions we see from those countries are pretty much in the open, and there are no, denials the next day.

Here are the similarities, between the Gulf states and Iraq.

As both Iraq and the Gulf states are pegged to the dollar, all their currencies do not have a nominal value, but an artificial value.

The Gulf states AND Iraq have inflation.

The fun part is, Iraq have stemmed an almost galloping inflation, but still have MORE inflation than the Gulf states, still the Gulf states inflation is of more problem to the Gulf states than the Iraqi inflation is to Iraq, the Iraqis almost seem to be proud of having "only" such and such inflation, and then mention a number that still is pretty high.

A lot of more similarities can be found, but these two major ones decides almost alone the issue at hand.

For the Gulf states to reach a better currency balance, they need to RV their currency into a higher level.

An RV is only a first step into it's "health program " though, as an RV in itself is actually another man made manipulation of a currency value.

It will bring the Gulf states currency up in a higher value though, and from there the currency could be put on the Forex.

If the Gulf states consider the Forex too volatile, unsecured and too flexing in nature, and want to continue to peg the currency, at least they can peg it to a currency basket, consisting of an average value of a number of currencies.

The oddity here is, that Iraq having circumstances that is mirrored pretty much with the Gulf states situation, are even worse off, when it comes to it's situation, and is even more in need to take this steps.

Still the different viewpoints in the region differ quite a bit.

While the Iraqis seem to be satisfied and content with their situation, the Gulf states with a far less severe situation are getting pretty alarmed by their situation.

To me that would indicate that the Iraqi situation is handled by:
1. False data.
2. Wrong assumptions.
3. Non working plan.
4. Wrong lined up priorities.
5. Non applicable policies.
6. Distorted information gathering.
7. Wrong interpretation of existing data.
8. Agreements made with other entities, or authorities, that are not capable of seeing the correct scene.
9. Corruption, and inactivity.


-- February 3, 2008 4:18 PM


Carole wrote:

Sara,

I am not sure if Barak Obama is the "queen" in the chess game, but he certainly may be one of the key strategic moves.. to CHECKMATE!


Carole

-- February 4, 2008 3:15 AM


Sara wrote:

Valerio;

I didn't think anyone wanted to listen to the third part. It took me a week to put together part one and two.. it will be a while, if you wish to read it. I suppose the detractors can skip it and I will post on the top what it is so they know ahead of time. Dinar news is slow, isn't it?

Roger - interesting insights and a good summary of the positions and reasons for it being the way it is, thanks.

Carole - It is interesting, for sure. The way things are happening in both camps. I was reading on another site that Romney and McCain are tied for 30% of the vote, here, let me get that for you:

February 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Today’s Rasmussen Poll results:

Date 02/02/08
Huckabee 21%
Romney 30%
McCain 30%

From: http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-swarm-five-days-to-save-the-republic

Just interesting to follow.. by clicking on the page I see huckabee picked up a couple of points and McCain, too. Super Tuesday is tomorrow..

Sara.

-- February 4, 2008 3:15 PM


Roger wrote:

Will be interesting for sure to see how the presidential election will proceed, it for sure have significant bearings on the Iraq investment.

-- February 4, 2008 4:32 PM


Sara wrote:

Valerio;

I think I have your email..
maybe I will just email you part three when I finish it.
I do know those posts were led of the Lord.
I debated with Him about posting it..
and the amount of spiritual fallout I have experienced..
on a scale of 1 to ten.. is off the scale.
I just don't think I can take it anymore.
The human opposition is nothing..
but the spiritual is crushing.
It is really important info.. even if it is ignored..
except by the opposing spiritual forces.
Being sensitive to the spiritual realm..
has definite drawbacks.

Sara.

-- February 5, 2008 12:22 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraqi dinar recovering and it is the base in business dealings

Heads of Iraqi unions of Chambers of Commerce confirmed that 2008 will be a year of quality transition in economic performance and the Government is expected to initiate the implementation of important projects, although that is linked to the adoption of the budget, which is still under parliament examination, scrutiny and amendment for approval.

On the sidelines of the sixth meeting of the Union within its to twelfth session which was held in Baghdad, here are some interviews with a number of heads of unions representing the traders segment.

Head of the Iraqi Federation of Chambers of Commerce, Jaafar Al-Hamadani, is optimistic for achieving a qualitative development in the area of trade relations with the world and for the improvement of security; however, he blamed on some differences in the formation and delay of activating the role of the National Authority for Investment to benefit from the advantages of the new investment law, but he expressed confidence in the promising future of the private sector, especially after the government decided to support it. He pointed out that supporting private banks will facilitate the work of traders, and the partnership launched by the ministries of industry, minerals and oil with international companies will be reflected on private activity in Iraq. He called for speeding up the establishment of the intellectual property rights law to be presented to the Cabinet and then to the Parliament and considered it an important means in the organization of economic life in the country.

Head of Baghdad Chamber of Commerce, Amjad Al-Jibouri, considered the monetary policy followed by the Central Bank to control the exchange rate of the dinar against the dollar a successful policy because it maintained trade from the losses which traders are exposed to due to monetary shocks. He said that The Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance succeeded in supporting the national economy in their monetary and fiscal policy, and raising the value of the Iraqi dinar is one of the results of these policies.

Al-Jibouri called for adopting an import policy that limits the chaos afflicting the commercial market and represented by dumping it with commodity and especially of the bad type, and believes that this is the responsibility of the Ministries of Finance and Trade relying on the representatives of chambers of commerce. About his vision for the future of the Iraqi economy, he said, "the economy is the engine of social and political life and if stability is achieved, the future of the Iraqi economy will be in the ranks of developed countries ... And will leave developing countries."

Head of Najaf Chamber of Commerce, Zuhair Mohammed Radhi, is optimistic of the economic future of Iraq due to the ingredients of success it has both in human and material wealth or its strategic position and border outlets which overlooks the world. He called for the creation of a new structure that suits the potentials of Iraq to start toward the economy of market and reiterated the importance of the supporting laws and legislation.

The last speaker was the Head of Nasiriyah Chamber of Commerce, Abdul Razzaq Al-Zuheiri,, who spoke about the lack of clarity and knowledge of the importance of the role of the private business sector in the formulation of trade policy, pointing out that the merchants segment is the one relied on to provide requirements of daily life and construction requirements. He trusted the government to support the commercial sector in a way that suits the size and role in the development of other economic sectors. He pointed out to understanding of government departments for the importance of Chambers of Commerce; therefore, involving them in all committees is hallmark of the success of proper planning for the economic process and development of the country.
(www.dinartrade.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 5, 2008 11:14 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

In my estimation, this is very good news.
____________________________________________________________


LEADING STORY

Iraq draws up plans for privatisation gold rush

The Iraqi government has begun preparing the groundwork for what could be one of the biggest privatisations of state-owned assets.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 5, 2008 11:18 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Though there seems to be an anti-american bent in this article. The symbolism of unity among Muslim sects is encouraging.
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Iraq's clerics are stepping up to save their country from sectarian conflict

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05 February 2008 (The Daily Star)
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One of the most devastating consequences of the US-led invasion and occupation of Iraq was that it opened up the Pandora's box of sectarian conflict, posing an enormous threat not only to the future of that country, but to many other states across the Middle East as well. Little was done in the early years after the invasion to prevent the worst-case scenarios of national disintegration and/or regional destabilization. In the aftermath of the invasion, those disturbing scenarios seemed all too frighteningly possible, as festering sectarian tensions pushed the nation to the brink of civil war and threatened to spill over into neighboring countries. Over the last year, however, some Iraqi leaders have begun to make a concerted effort to reverse what once seemed like an irreversible trend. One group of Iraqi leaders in particular deserves to be commended for their recent efforts in this regard: Iraqi clerics.

On Sunday, Shiite and Sunni religious figures from across Iraq met in a hotel in Baghdad, along with other Muslim leaders from across the Arab and Islamic worlds, to address what is arguably the greatest threat to our region today: growing mistrust and animosity between Muslim sects. More than 200 Sunni and Shiite clerics took part in the gathering, which aimed to develop long-term strategies for fostering Iraqi reconciliation, as well as a region-wide sense of unity among the followers of the different sects of the same sacred religion.

The gathering may have seemed to many like a mere symbolic gesture, and indeed it attracted almost no coverage by the Western media. But when it comes to matters of faith, the strength of symbolism cannot be underestimated, and even the mere image of Iraqi Sunni and Shiite Muslims praying side by side at the conference on Sunday sent a powerful message of unity to the people of Iraq and beyond.

It may take many years, perhaps even decades, to undo the damage that was done in Iraq in the first few years following the invasion. Relations among Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites were nearly damaged beyond repair as a result of the multiple attacks on mosques and sacred shrines and the ruthless acts of murderous death squads. But Iraqi Muslim scholars are helping to create a less poisoned atmosphere in which the Iraqi people can begin to feel a sense of common identity and unity of purpose.

The challenges facing the Iraqi nation - from stopping the ongoing violence to rebuilding damaged infrastructure and resuscitating a war-battered economy - are enormous. Iraqis cannot hope to even begin to address these challenges so long as they remain so dangerously divided. It will take the full participation and cooperation of each of the country's diverse communities to overcome the multiple obstacles to a prosperous and stable Iraq. In this context, the efforts of Iraqi clerics to foster a sense of national unity and to repair the rifts that have threatened to tear the country apart are nothing short of heroic.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 5, 2008 11:23 AM


Bradley Church wrote:

I personally agree with everyone else. Our (the United States) main reason for invading Iraq wasn't for pursuit of oil, spread our beliefs, and other unbelievable reasons people have claimed. When NYC, Washington DC, and various other places were attacked on September 11, it affected everyone in the U.S. A kid who had graduated from my high school a few years before me decided to fight for his country and lost his life in the process. We can not let everyone's lives which have been lost be in vain. Although it seems hard at times to stay and it would be easier to pack up in leave, this would cause a disastrous outcome of mass chaos. We must stablize their economy and continue to push for a democracy over in Iraq to protect everyone in the future.

-- February 5, 2008 4:26 PM


Steve wrote:

All,

UN Transfers millions from oil-for-food

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/27022

-- February 5, 2008 11:17 PM


Willie wrote:

Sara, Perhaps you have not put on your armor? Joshua 1:9 "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be terrified; do not be discouraged,for the Lord thy God will be with you wherever you go".

-- February 6, 2008 2:17 AM


Roger wrote:

RobN,

If you are doing stocks in Iraq, as I am doing, the article about the Iraqi state that are doing the privatization of the industry is of a very interesting character.

As the industry is privatized, the industry will stand on its own feet, and no longer receive food parcels for the workers, and a guaranteed paycheck.

It has to earn it's meals, and earn it's paychecks.

Here comes the interesting part.

The industry itself is in a very poor health, rusted, and squeaking wheels.

Foreign companies are eager to get in on the up and coming restoration of the country, but will have very very poor chance of surviving, as a completely independent company.

Any and all companies that are on the way into Iraq, WILL need a mentor in the country, they WILL need a know how, how to act, work and how to bribe, or whatever they need to do to conduct business there.

The very best party to go into bed with will undoubtedly be an already existing company that have been in Iraq for a very long time, runned by Iraqis, manned by Iraqis, controlled by Iraqis and existing as a bona fide Iraqi company with it's own name recognition in the area.

Ok we now have this scenario.

The Iraqi company, just being taken off the feeding bottle, having been government company for a long time, are getting out in the world with nothing, except rusted nails, and squeaky hinges.

The foreign company with the resources, know how, have the investment, have the bacon, the ammunition and the latest tech.

The Iraqi company and the foreign company will do very very good in getting into bed with each other, as this will open up the door for the foreign company, and infuse know how, and tech into the Iraqi company.

The Iraqi company having been a long time state owned company will now come back to the Iraqi State with contract bidding, where the lines are greased since many years back.

This will very likely be the up and coming scenario for many contracts the Iraqi state are giving out for bids.

This, my friend, will put the ISX in a completely different light.

As the state owned companies are letting go from the state, and they must quick get a "rich" foreign partner, they will have but no choice other than register themselves as corporations. If they are to go together with other foreign companies, they must have the ability to buy and sell stocks as a natural part of their existing operation.

So, if the Iraqi company have nothing, are rusted, inactive, and very poor, their stocks will be reflective of their existing status.

However, as the process continues more and more, that foreign companies are getting in, on the previously state owned companies, with contracts, owner sharing or other business contracts, the infusion of investment from foreign companies, will give the existing Iraqi companies a strong shot in the arm of fresh blood, and the value of the Iraqi companies will rise to the degree, that the government are granting contracts.

What it all means, RobN. buy Iraqi stocks NOW.

-- February 6, 2008 5:29 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I read this morning that the tensions are escalating between the U.S. and the Sunnis because of that botched air strike that killed a number of innocent civilians.

As tensions mount, discord between anti-Al-Qaeda fighters and the U.S. military has the potential to dissrupt this fragile union. Lets hope the Pentagon and the military can find resolution with these Sunnis.


Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 6, 2008 9:33 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

BP positions itself for share of Iraqi oil

BP has been holding meetings with Iraqi oil officials as it speeds up plans to re-enter one of the biggest but politically most controversial oil provinces in the world, five years after the toppling of Saddam Hussein by the British and US military.

The move comes as BP is drawing fire for abandoning any pursuit of green credentials. Environmental groups accuse the new chief executive, Tony Hayward, of "recarbonising" a once enlightened oil group.

BP said it was "possible" some of its executives might meet the Iraqi oil minister, Hussain al-Shahristani, today at a Royal Institute of International Affairs conference in London, sponsored by BP, Shell and other western oil majors.

A spokesman for BP, which will report annual profits of about $18bn, confirmed managers met Iraqi oil officials last week in Jordan and talked about providing technical assistance.

Iraq has more than 115bn barrels of recoverable reserves, an attraction for oil groups at a time when easily recoverable reserves are becoming more difficult to secure.

BP was last night playing down any likelihood of an imminent move into Iraq. "It is a country of interest to us but we are waiting for political and security stability to return before we will take anything further," a spokesman said.

The group has already undertaken technical studies on the Rumeila oilfield for the new government of Iraq. It is gearing up for further involvement following the drafting of a new oil law in Iraq. The chief executive of Shell, Jeroen van der Veer, also admitted last week that his company was looking closely at re-entering Iraq.

When British and American forces invaded five years ago, Tony Blair and George Bush denied they were waging war to secure oil supplies.

The appearance of Shahristani with British energy minister Malcolm Wicks today will be met with campaigners from the charity War on Want and other groups that have formed a coalition called Hands Off Iraqi Oil. They claim the country will lose "billions of pounds in oil income" under the proposed new law which they say the British and US governments are pressing Baghdad to sign.

"It is a scandal that BP and Shell intend to raid Iraqis' oil wealth for themselves. Not content with record profits, they would deny millions of people the money needed to rebuild their shattered land," said Ruth Tanner, senior campaigns officer at War on Want.

Meanwhile the Platform campaign group accused Hayward of starting BP on a dangerous programme of "recarbonisation" since he took over last April from Lord Browne, who had vowed to take the company "beyond petroleum".

James Marriott, of Platform, said: "Moving into the tar sands of Canada and dropping a carbon capture and storage plan for Peterhead are part of a recarbonisation of BP. It might help the share price in the short term but longer-term Hayward is exposing the company to the dangers of a rising carbon price and falling oil price."
(www.dinartrade.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 6, 2008 9:36 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Please do not hold your breath. If (BIG IF) the HCL is passed this year, expect it to be somewhat different from what Washington considers a benchmark.

The Iraqis have a right to have an HCL law that protects them. In the long term, I do believe it is in Iraqs best interest to privatize their oil industry.
____________________________________________________________

LEADING STORY

Iraq hoping to pass oil law in 2008: oil minister

Iraq's oil minister spoke on Tuesday of the government's determination to pass a draft oil law this year, and said he hoped to ramp up production to 2.9 million barrels a day by the end of the year.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 6, 2008 9:41 AM


Rob N. wrote:

Roger:

I have not ventured into the ISX because there has not been satisfactory clarification from Al-Warka about the issues with the Al-Bunnai(I am sure have not spelled it correctly)family. From my understanding, they have controlling interest in Al-Warka. At this point, I am uncomfortable using Al-Warka as the proxy because I am not sure of its stability.

Furthermore, the process for transferring of ISX shares into my good name does not seem to be well defined. I do not know of examples where this transfer has occurred. Good luck with your stock purchases, I am holding off for now.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 6, 2008 9:51 AM


Franko wrote:

Sara

I also wait for part 3.

Thanks,

Franko

-- February 6, 2008 10:18 AM


BritishKnite wrote:

Iraq 'set for oil price windfall'
---------------------------------

.. if they can sort out the violence and corruption.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7217559.stm

Regards,

BritishKnite

-- February 7, 2008 12:43 AM


Roger wrote:

RobN,

Okidoki. When it comes to transferring the shares to your name, well ...I am very happy with them holding it in proxy, because I need to be completely on top of what companies will do a split, and send back the certificates to the broker when that happens, and if you miss a deadline, you might get into a loss, so for my part, I rather have it all in Iraq.

If you honestly are interesed in getting stocks but your hang up, is that you feel uncomfy with Warka, well another way of doing it, is to check in on the main ISX site, there is a lot of stock brokers listed there, and you can start a correspondence with a couple of them, until you feel that you have good confidence in some of them, and go via them.

BritishKnight,

I fear the corruption more than the violence.

The violence can be stemmed, but the corruption is pretty blatant.

-- February 7, 2008 3:23 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


Iraq moves ahead with oil contracts with multinationals

Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Thursday , 07 /02 /2008 Time 5:01:57




Baghdad, Feb 6, (VOI) – The Iraqi government has invited major multinational oil companies to take part in the development of its oil industry, refusing to wait for the passage of the contentious oil and gas law, the Financial Times said in a report.


"In a sign that the oil law the US has been pressing for is unlikely to be agreed by parliament any time soon, Hussain Shahristani, Iraq’s oil minister, said in an interview with the Financial Times that Iraq was now determined to push ahead with plans to raise production from a current 2.5m barrels per day to 6m bpd in five years," read the report."
"Speaking on the sidelines of a conference at Chatham House in London, he said major companies were registering to pre-qualify for oil development licences before the February 18 deadline. The process, he said, should lead next year to the award of the first contracts to develop oil fields across the country," according to the report.
"Oil giants, so far deterred from Iraq by violence and the absence of clear legislation, are showing keen interest in the pre-qualification process. It marks the first opportunity to tap into a country with the world’s third largest proved oil reserves and a largely undeveloped oil industry with low production costs."
"But the companies will no doubt require more legislative clarity and further improvements in security before committing substantial investment," the report indicated.
Quoting Jeroen van der Veer, the chief executive officer of Royal Dutch Shell, the newspaper wrote: "We are in the race so to say, we would like to work in Iraq but the petroleum law is not ratified so we don’t know the conditions. We would like to know the rules of the game.”
"While eyeing more long-term relationships with Iraq, major companies are negotiating technical support contracts to get their foot in the door and help raise production of several oil fields by 500,000 bpd this year. These deals do not involve putting teams on the ground and are confined to offering arms-length technical and managerial assistance. The companies include Royal Dutch Shell and BP as well as US giants ExxonMobil and Chevron and France’s Total."
"The exact terms of the longer-term development contracts have not been decided yet, according to Mr Shahristani," the report said.
"The minister said a 'model contract' would be worked out, compensating companies for bringing in technology and financial resources while guaranteeing full government ownership and control of oil," it added.
"Mr Shahristani’s decision to bypass an oil law reflects the government’s frustration with the Kurdish regional government, which has been seeking more independence on oil policy, fuelling a protracted dispute with other parliamentary groups."
"The Iraqi cabinet approved the oil law a year ago but has since been unable to pass it through parliament, partly due to disagreements over the sharing of oil revenues between regions."
"The government in the Kurdish north, meanwhile, has passed its own oil law and has been signing exploration contracts with western companies, causing anger in the central government. Mr Shahristani has warned that these contracts are illegal and companies involved in the contracts could be blacklisted."
The report further quoted the minister as denying that the decision to push ahead with oil contracts "was primarily a tactical move designed to put pressure on the Kurdish bloc..."
(www.aswataliraq.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.


-- February 7, 2008 9:45 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Higher dollar demand, exchange rate down in daily auction

Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Thursday , 07 /02 /2008 Time 5:01:57




Baghdad, Feb 6, (VOI) - Demand for the dollar rose in the Iraqi Central Bank's auction on Wednesday, registering at $90.55 million compared to $68.910 million on Tuesday.

"The demand hit $12.80 million in cash and $77.975 million in money transfers outside the country, all covered by the bank at an exchange rate of 1,210 Iraqi dinars per dollar, one tick lower than yesterday," according to the central bank's daily bulletin which was received by Aswat al-Iraq- Voices of Iraq- (VOI).
The 15 banks participating in the auction offered to sell $100,000, which the bank bought at an exchange rate of 1,208 dinars per dollar.
Speaking to VOI, Ali al-Yasseri, a trader, attributed the higher demand for the dollar in today's session to "the unexpected drop in the exchange rate," which he said encouraged banks to raise the ceiling on remittances and cash bids.

The Iraqi Central Bank runs a daily auction from Sunday to Thursday.
(www.aswataliraq.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 9:46 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


LEADING STORY

Plan to Export Oil Via Jordan's Aqaba Port – Al-Zubaidi

The Jordanian and Iraqi governments are looking at possibilities of a joint strategic plan to build an oil pipe from the Haditha area in Iraq to the Red Sea Jordanian port city of Aqaba, about 350 kilo meters south of Amman.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 9:48 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Rafidain Bank chooses Misys consortium to implement one of the largest banking IT projects in the world

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Misys plc, the global application software and services company, today announces that Rafidain Bank, the largest state bank in Iraq, has selected an integrated turnkey core banking solution from Misys and B-Plan Information Systems.

The agreement between Rafidain and the Misys/B-Plan consortium was endorsed by the Minister of Finance, as part of the modernisation programme of the state-owned banks. The Misys/B-Plan solution was chosen ahead of competing bids including those from Temenos and Systems Access. It will underpin the restructuring programme aimed at improving performance and enabling Rafidain to compete more effectively in an increasingly open and competitive environment.

The solution includes the deployment of electronic clearing systems, the core banking solution from Misys and the supporting hardware and communications network across the bank's 148 domestic and 7 international branches, in Beirut, Cairo, Jordan, Abu-Dhabi, Manama (Bahrain) and Sana' (Yemen). The project, which is one the largest of its kind in the world, will allow the bank to deliver competitive products and an excellent service to Rafidain's domestic and international customers.

In December 2006, a formal memoranda of understanding (MOU) was signed between the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance on the restructuring of the state-owned banks, including Rafidain Bank. This covers the steps and sequencing for operational and financial restructuring of these institutions over the next few years, including the deployment of electronic clearing banking system.

Mr. Bayan Jabr, Iraq's Minister of Finance, states, 'I am determined to modernise the banks. My wish is that every Iraqi citizen has a Visa card and for every Iraqi citizen to have a bank account which he is able to manage through the internet, regardless of whether he is a government employee or not. This is my dream which I am working to make it a reality. I have now signed a contract for such a system for the Rafidain Bank.'

Guy Warren, EVP and General Manager. Misys Banking, comments, 'One of the key deciding factors for the Government of Iraq was Misys' leadership position in the industry and we are honoured to be an integral part of such a crucial restructuring programme for the bank. Our deep knowledge of the market alongside B-Plan's expertise in implementing turnkey ICT solutions in Iraq, will enable Rafidain to maintain its leading position in the region and compete more successfully internationally. This is another example of our proven technology and top class services skills beating Temenos in competitive pitches.'

Shirko Abid, CEO of B-Plan, adds, 'The advanced solution and the broad regional experience Misys has built up over the last two decades, coupled with our strong position as a provider of mission-critical turnkey solutions was crucial to the deal. We are already beginning the first phase of implementation and I look forward to working closely with the bank as we help it deliver enhanced services to its customers.'
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 9:51 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Anyone want to venture offering an analysis of the following article:
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Baghdad - Iraq votes 07 / 02 / 2008 at 14:08:59

Demand declined significantly to buy the dollar at the end of meetings this week, on Thursday, auction of the Central Bank of Iraq, the body size of the request was totally 32 million and 870 thousand dollars, compared to 90 million and 55 thousand dollars on Wednesday.
The special bulletin ERA Iraqi Central Bank to sell the dollar, issued (Thursday), that the request be distributed by 18 million and 700 thousand dollars in cash and 13 million and 870 thousand dollars in the form of remittances outside the country, and fully covered the bank exchange rate stable for the second meeting of the ability dinars (1210). While he did not make the ten banks participating in the auction offers to sell the dollar to auction.
He says the Yasiri, one dealing with the auction, the Independent News Agency (Voices of Iraq) that the request "drop largely on remittances only .. at a time when demand cash rose significantly, the fact that today (Thursday) is the day of payment for traders and need .. large amounts of foreign exchange to cover their needs. "
Over Yasiri believed that the demand for remittances "retreat .. that meeting yesterday (Wednesday), which witnessed a decline unexpectedly to the exchange rate futures .. drained remittances and remittances, which was precipitated by the planned dispatch today."
However, the economic expert, Dr. Juma Ani warned that such a step "Introduction to the crisis is artificial, similar to what happened three months ago by a group of speculators and investors, which had caused great losses to small savers."
The Al-Ani (Voices of Iraq) that the Central Bank "to return to normal monetary policy to close the road on speculators is hunting for any additional actions aimed at improving the exchange rates of dinar."
He pointed out that the lack of offers to sell auction "is a supporter of the auction, provided that not be a prelude to offers for sale and a large decline in the demand for dollar buying."
For his part, an economic expert and industrial Abdul Razzaq Abaiji that "fabricating a crisis in the currency market speculators will not serve even at the present time, the fact that the real capacity of the market to Atstoab new crisis, and that it might harm the speculators before anyone else."
He told Abaiji (Voices of Iraq) that currency trading "became aware of the fact that the crisis is artificial, and refrain from selling to speculators at prices lower than the official rate .. which is a strike against them in the event if there was talk of crisis, but if the quarters of decline expected to return to the high levels of applications mid next week for circulation. "
He described Uday Rustum Shabib, the banking office in Baghdad, the dollar exchange rate as "fixed at the end of this week, by (1210) dinars for buying and (1220) for the sale of small transactions."
Shabib said that the movement in the bourses struggle and Kazimiya "was significantly high, while the habitual Exchange Harthiya", a reference broad movement to "high demand by traders on the dollar on Thursday of each week."
(www.aswataliraq.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 10:17 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Deal to slash Iraq's debt to Russia to be signed Feb. 11


14:30|07/ 02/ 2008


MOSCOW, February 7 (RIA Novosti) - An agreement to write off most of Iraq's debt to Russia will be signed in Moscow on February 11, the Iraqi Embassy said on Thursday.
The agreement is a follow-up to a decision by the Russian government to clear 80% of Baghdad's Soviet-era debt in line with accords reached through the Paris Club of creditor nations.
"During a visit by Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari to Russia on February 11, a memorandum on developing trade, economic, scientific and technical cooperation between Russia and Iraq will be signed alongside a bilateral financial agreement to write off the debt in line with Paris Club accords," the embassy said in a news release.
A Russian Finance Ministry source confirmed the plans, saying the total debt was estimated at $13 billion following recalculations.
"The sum was initially lower, but it was later reassessed considering the peculiarities of the original agreements, which include a currency clause," the source said.
The Finance Ministry earlier said the debt was some $10 billion.
The Iraqi government expected the intergovernmental deal to be signed before the end of 2007. Some media said the delay was due to Iraq's cancelation of a 1997 contract with Russian oil company LUKoil on the West Qurna-2 oil field, one of Iraq's richest. But both countries' authorities dismissed the allegations. Hoshyar Zebari said last September that his country could offer Russian oil and gas companies considerable advantages to operate in Iraq, but ruled out that this could be linked to the debt settlement issue.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 10:18 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

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Iraq’s Sadr tells militia to keep observing freeze

(Reuters)
7 February 2008

BAGHDAD - Anti-U.S. cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has ordered his Mehdi Army militia to maintain its six-month ceasefire, Sadr’s spokesman said on Thursday, while his militiamen clashed with Iraqi and U.S. soldiers.

Salah al-Ubaidi said the ceasefire, which expires later this month, should continue to be observed until militia members are told it is over or has been renewed.

Some members of Shia cleric Sadr’s bloc are pressuring him not to extend Aug. 29’s freeze on the feared Mehdi Army’s activities, which has been vital to cutting violence in Iraq.

Attacks across the country have fallen by 60 percent since June 2007 and a return to hostilities could seriously jeopardise those security gains.

“Any member of the Mehdi Army who conducts violent acts during the ceasefire, the Sadr office declares they will no longer be part of the Mehdi Army,” Sadr said in a statement read to Reuters by Ubaidi.

He said Sadr had issued the statement in response to rumours that the ceasefire was about to come to an end.

Ubaidi, one of the cleric’s most senior officials in the southern holy city of Najaf, declined to comment on whether the ceasefire would be extended when its six-month term lapses.

Amid signs of growing restlessness, Iraqi police said Mehdi Army fighters had clashed with Iraqi and U.S. soldiers early on Thursday in Sadr City, the sprawling Shi’ite slum in northeast Baghdad which is one of Sadr’s power bases.

Police said three people, including a woman and a child, were hurt in the clashes and 16 detained.

A U.S. military spokesman said one person was killed and another was injured when U.S. and Iraqi soldiers conducted raids ”targeting criminal elements”.

Sadr, who led two uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004, ordered the Mehdi Army to observe the ceasefire so he could reorganise the splintered militia.

Mehdi Army fighters had often been involved in fierce clashes with U.S. troops or Sunni Arab groups, and the Pentagon once described it as the greatest single threat to peace in Iraq-a term now it now uses for Sunni Islamist al Qaeda.

Sadr has been gauging the mood among senior figures about the ceasefire, Ubaidi told Reuters earlier this week.

Recent statements from within Sadr’s camp have indicated growing unease about the truce, with members claiming they are being targeted by Iraqi security forces.

U.S. commanders have said they are confident Sadr, the son of a revered Shi’ite cleric killed under Saddam Hussein, would extend the freeze, although U.S. and Iraqi forces continue to target “rogue” Mehdi Army units.
(http://www.khaleejtimes.ae/DisplayAr...on=focusoniraq)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 10:21 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Arab League to promote Iraq reconciliation


Thursday, February 07, 2008 07:40 GMT
A senior delegation from the Arab League presided by Secretary General assistant Ahmad Ben Jali is expected in Baghdad mid next week to discuss means of promoting the national reconciliation process. Arab League chargé d’affaires in Baghdad Tarek Abdul Salam explained that the delegation’s visit would be primary to be followed by other meetings and visits. He noted that the delegation’s agenda is full of meetings with major Iraqi powers in government and parliament as well as parties outside the political process. Abdul Salam noted that the Arab League delegation will propose to Iraqi leaders a national reconciliation project based on the national consensus initiative adopted by the Arab League in agreement with Iraq leaders in mid 2006. The conference will be convened in Cairo.
It is to be noted that the delegation’s visit has been adjourned more than once for unknown reasons. However, reports say that certain powers in the government and the Unified Coalition Bloc have showed reservation on the delegation’s mission mainly on convening the conference outside Iraq as well as the participation of Baathists. At his point, fears have arisen on the possibility of turning this conference into a campaign against the current political process in Iraq.
(http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News...ciliation.html)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 10:23 AM


Sara wrote:

Willie; Thanks for the good word about putting on the armor of God.
And for your care and prayers.. and those of others.
Thank you, too, franko, for the encouragement.
I was able to complete part three.. here it is:

Save Your Own Life..

Part C - The Hypothalmus Gland Damagers and Why Isn't Someone Doing Something About It..

There is evidence that that which is damaging the hypothalmus gland is the addition of excitotoxins to the human diet.

"Excitotoxins are substances added to foods and beverages that literally stimulate neurons to death, causing brain damage of varying degrees. It can be found in such ingredients as monosodium glutamate, aspartame (Nutrasweet), cysteine, hydrolyzed protein, and aspartic acid." (ref 1)

Let us take one of these excitotoxins (there are at least 70 known) and examine it so you can understand what it is and how it damages the hypothalmus gland.

Let us take MSG - what is monosodium glutamate or MSG? It is a food additive which has been added to our prepared foods (you just knew McDonald's had a role to play in this, didn't you?), and it is a substance which documentably has been DOUBLED into the food supply every decade since the late 1940s. (ref 2) I believe it can be demonstrated that this constant rise in the food supply of this excitotoxin (among others) corresponds with the rising rates of obesity and the other problems documented in Part B. That is because it is excitotoxic accumulated damage to the hypothalmus gland which is the actual cause of the increasing rates of obesity (and depression, sleep disorders, memory loss, hormonal imbalances and coronary disease, etc, documented in Part B). It is obvious that the increase of it (and other excitotoxins) into the food supply corresponds exactly with the continually rising obesity rates in spite of the dietary measures taken - from restrictive diets and yo-yo fads to exercise and weight lifting memberships taken. Again, look at that .gif file and see that.. as the damage to the hypothalmus increases with excitotoxin exposure, we have increasing problems with obesity in spite of all measures taken to address the problem. Remember as you watch this that excitotoxins are documentably DOUBLED into the food supply every decade since the late 1940s.. see the correspondence?:

http://www.weight.com/obesity_2001.gif

So, what is this excitotoxin - MSG? A bit of history,
QUOTE:

In 1908, Dr. Kikunae Ikeda, a chemist working in a laboratory at the Imperial University of Tokyo, made a most remarkable discovery that would eventually lead to a multibillion dollar industry. He was trying to isolate the chemical that was responsible for the taste enhancing properties of the seaweed known as Kombu or "sea tangle". The Japanese had used this seaweed based flavor-enhancer in their recipes for thousands of years. It had the uncanny ability to greatly enhance the flavor of almost any food to which it was added.

Fortunately, Dr. Ikeda had received training in Germany under the tutelage of a famous chemist, Dr. Wolff, who had perfected the technique for isolating glutamate from proteins. To his suprise, Dr. Ikeda found that the mysterious flavor-enhancing ingredient of the seaweed was glutamate. In 1909 Professor Ikeda joined with his friend, Dr. Saburosuke Suzuki, in forming a company which would manufacture this incredible taste enhancer in the form of monosodium glutamate. They named their company Ajinomoto, which translates to "the essence of taste" in English.

By 1933 Japanese cooks were using over ten million pounds of this taste enhancer every year. They found that it made even the most bland recipes taste scrumptious. During the war, the Japanese government added MSG to their soldier's rations. Unlike American rations, theirs tasted delicious. American soldiers, having obtained some of the rations from their Japanese prisoners, returned with stories of this delicious tasting military food. This then led to an investigation by the American military.

In 1948 a meeting was held by the Quartermasters of the Armed Forces in conjunction with most of the major food manufacturing giants in America. The list of names of those attending this meeting reads like a who's-who of American food manufacturing, including such names as Pillsbury, Oscar Mayer, Libby, Stokley, Campbell Soups, Continental, General Foods, and Bordens. During these discussions it was concluded that this Japanese taste-enhancer did indeed have some remarkable properties. It suppressed undesirable flavors, gave "zest" to food, removed the "tinny" taste of canned foods, and turned bland foods into gourmet meals. In short, it held the possibility of a financial boom for the food industry.

Following this remarkable discovery, the American food industry drastically increased the amount of MSG being added to prepared foods, which has since doubled every decade since the late 1940's. Today MSG is added to most soups, chips, fast foods, frozen foods, ready-made dinners, and canned goods. And it has been a heaven send for the diet food industry since so many of the low-fat foods are practically tasteless.

As Dr. George Schwartz has pointed out in his remarkable book "In Bad Taste: The MSG Syndrome", often MSG and related excitotoxins are added to foods in disguised forms. For example, among the food manufacturers favorite disguises are "hydrolyzed vegetable protein", "vegetable protein", "natural flavorings", and "spices". Each of these may contain (unlabelled) from 12% to 40% MSG by law.

Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is a special case and deserves a closer look. Its manufacturing process is a series of chemical processes; first boiling vegetables in sulfuric acid for several hours, then neutralizing the acid with caustic soda (an alkalizing agent often used to make soap), and then drying the resulting brown sludge. Additional MSG may be added as well to the fine brown powder. The result is marketed as hydrolyzed vegetable protein. When particular amino acids are combined with the basic hydrolyzed vegetable protein they can bring out a "beefy" taste that makes it useful in barbeque sauces and fast foods. Other protein combinations bring out a "creamy" taste that it frequently used in canned and instant soups, salad dressings and sauces.

Analysis of this taste enhancing substance reveals some interesting findings. Not only does it contain three very powerful brain cell toxins - glutamate, aspartate and cysteic acid - but it also contains several known carcinogens (cancer causing substances). Incredibly, the FDA does not regulate the amount of carcinogens allowed in hydrolyzed vegetable protein, or the amount of hydrolyzed vegetable protein allowed to be added to food products. It is a substance that poses and even greater danger than MSG itself.

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Now that you know where MSG came from, why it was added to the food supply and who is benefitting financially by putting it into your food supply (everyone who supplies you with nummy tasting food from McDonald's to Campbells Soups... ), I must again remind you that the plan isn't likely to be human alone. And the liklihood of making the accusations stick against these industry giants is also similar to my friend's case - the young man I spoke of who was asthmatic and they took his "puffer" thing and he died. These food giants' excuses would be similar - It all seemed harmless enough, nobody keeled over dead immediately and they just wanted to make money... they had no idea it would turn out to cause so much disease, etc. But there is a far more sinister plan being played out here and we need to address that agenda and stop it even if the human elements are not brought to a full accounting for causing so much misery in people's lives by damaging their hypothalmus glands. We must stop it from progressing to diseased states for ourselves, and we must seek to stop this scenerio from being repeated in the lives of the next generations.

Ours may be a generation which is damaged permanently - as these "epidemics" attest - but future generations can be spared if we are aware and act quickly enough. Heath Ledger was having problems sleeping, serious enough that he took more and more drugs to combat it, and accidentally overdosed. That problem he was experiencing in the sleep/wake cycle is very likely to be a result of accumulated excitotoxic damage. But no one will blame the real underlying culprit which created the problem in the first place, because it was "his problem" with "his health".. just as they will not help you with the underlying cause when it comes time for you to have your health "problem".

Heath Ledger Died of Accidental Overdose of Prescription Drugs, Examiner Says
Wednesday, February 06, 2008

NEW YORK — Heath Ledger died of an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs, the New York City medical examiner said Wednesday.

"Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night," Ledger told The New York Times. "I couldn't stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going." He said he had taken two Ambien pills, which only gave him an hour of sleep.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html

WHY was this 28 year old man having such a severe problem with getting proper sleep?... an average of only two hours sleep a night? ... but his body was "exhausted"? Could it be that he had hormonal disruption in the sleep-wake cycle? What could have caused that to happen? Any thoughts.. ?? Note his mind was racing.. a sign of excited glutamate receptors (glutamate is used in the brain to carry messages between the neurons.) I will leave it to you to think upon it and decide yourself whether there is a case for the cause being MSG/excitotoxins in his diet... a trap set for the feet of those who see no reason to be cautious.

Now, it is time for me to explain how this boon to the industry (MSG/excitotoxins) harmed and is harming the hypothalmus glands of the American public - not immediately, but with accumulative damage over time as we eat and drink it.

Let's look at some of the probable outcomes of our generation being exposed to the overstimulating effect of excitotoxins both in early development (children are manifesting the effects and we know the mothers eat it in their food) and growth years.
QUOTE (I have inserted my own comments in brackets after quoting the good doctor in order to point out additional points of note):

Some neuroscientists feel that excitotoxins added to foods and fed to newborns and young children can result in overstimulation which can result in devastating effects on development. Sometimes the effects might be subtle, such as a slight case of dyslexia, or more severe such as frequent outbursts of uncontrollable anger. In fact, injection of minute amounts of glutamate into the hypothalmus of animals has been shown to produce sudden rage. (Could this be responsible for shootings at schools and so on.. people who lose it and "go postal" when there were none before?) Even more severe cases could result in conditions such as autism, schizophrenia, seizures, and cerebral palsy. There is a possibility that early exposure to excitotoxins could cause a tendency for episodic violence and criminal behavior in later years.

In one carefully controlled study twenty-two rats were given a daily low dose of MSG by injection beneath their skin. The injections began on the first day after birth and continued for eleven days. When the rats were examined they were found to be shorter and fatter than control animals fed a normal diet. But more importantly, the rats exhibited hyperactive behavior. (Could this be responsible for the explosion in Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD)?) Subsequent tests were conducted and they concluded that the "MSG treated rats behaved like animals with lower intelligence." It is important to remember that humans concentrate glutamate in their blood to a much greater degree than rats and they are equally susceptible to its toxic effects once it enters the brain. In one study, scientists gave a rhesus monkey MSG subcutaneously (beneath the skin) by injection and looked for behavioral problems. They found none. The monkey was killed and its brain examined. To their suprise they found significant damage to the hypothalmus gland. This demonstrates that brain cells can be destroyed without there being overt signs of brain damage to an outside observer. However, after the animal matures, this damage manifests itself not only in abnormal behavioral functions, but also in problems with other areas of the brain, including endocrine function. The experiment was repeated on nine other monkeys with identical results.

One of the reasons why it is so difficult to convince the FDA bureaucrats of the connection between MSG and delayed brain damage to humans is because it may take years before clinical signs of neurological damage show up. The damage is slow and cumulative, with each dose damaging a number of important brain areas. It is important to remember that early damage to the frontal lobes of the brain can lead to arrested moral and social development. Our moral development occurs during the early stages of behavior development and allow us the ability to restrain our desires and emotions, otherwise known as self-control. One study of two adults who had suffered damage in early life to both of their frontal lobes, demonstrated arrested development and learning disabilities in the realms of insight, foresight, social judgement, empathy, and complex reasoning. Early, even subtle, damage to the brain of developing babies, while silent at the time, could possibly cause severe changes in their personality several decades later. Because of this delayed effect, proving a direct connection to early exposure to excitotoxins in the food would be very difficult.

In the case of pregnant women eating diets high in excitotoxin taste enhancers, the baby could possibly be exposted to high glutamate levels for many hours, and we know the blood-brain barrier, whose job it is to exclude harmful substances in the blood from entering the brain, is constructed during development. We are not born with a functioning blood-brain barrier system. There is some evidence it does not reach complete maturity until adolescence, making those in the womb and the young who are still developing particularly vulnerable to the damaging effects of a multitude of excitotoxic compounds.

In experiments, it was found that MSG could stimulate a wide range of abnormal endocrine responses from the hypothalmus. The release of hormones by the hypothalmus and pituitary controls the release of hormones from the endocrine glands throughout the body - such as the thyroid gland, the adrenal glands, and the gonads. Researchers found decreased levels of growth hormone, prolactin, and luteinizing hormone in animals exposed to MSG. Dr. Shimicu and coworkers demonstrated that when MSG is given to pregnant mice their offspring have similar injuries to their hypothalmus glands. They develop abnormally - consistently, the animals exposed to MSG were found to be shorter, grossly obese, and had difficulty with sexual reproduction. One can only wonder if the large number of people having difficulty with obesity in the United States is related to exposure to food additive excitotoxins since this obesity is one of the most consistent features of this syndrome. One characteristic of the obesity induced by excitotoxins is that it doesn't appear to depend on food intake. This could explain why some people cannot diet away their obesity. It is ironic that so many people drink soft drinks sweetened with excitotoxins like NutraSweet when aspartate can produce the exact same lesions as glutamate, resulting in gross obesity. (Let's say that again.. this says that food sweetened with excitotoxins results in gross obesity - regardless of the food intake consumed. - Please reread this several times so you can see what is causing the obesity epidemic - it is not the food but the accumulated damage from excitotoxins causing gross obesity. As excitotoxins are DOUBLED into the food supply each decade, we have an exponential problem with obesity unchecked by dietary measures to stem its tide. This is because it is the excitotoxins which are damaging the bodies of those who ingest them, resulting in this diseased state - the obesity epidemic.)

It is also possible that many of today's reproductive problems such as infertility and menstrual disorders, are similarly related to excitotoxin exposure in early life. It has been shown experimentally that excitotoxins such as MSG and aspartate can cause early onset of puberty in female rats. (Remember the study I quoted above, about girls as young as FIVE years of age having menstrual periods? And that article says this is an increasing trend with HALF the African Americans having early onset of puberty.. but they didn't know what was causing the "switch" to be turned on prematurely?) Researchers have demonstrated a marked reduction of fertility in male rats treated with MSG as well. This does not appear immediately but is delayed until they develop sexual maturity. Pizzi and coworkers found both male and female mice exposed to MSG early in life developed severe delayed abnormalities of reproduction in adulthood. The females had fewer pregnancies and smaller litters and the males were significantly less fertile than normal mice. Again, they found the mice exposed to MSG were obese and had shrunken pituitaries and gonads (testes and ovaries). Similar findings have been seen in all other species of animals tested. MSG causes the ovaries to become atrophied (shrunken) thus leading to severe problem with the reproductive cycle in females. Also, glutamate can unmask diabetes in mice that are genetically susceptible to the disease. That is, these mice might never develop full blown diabetes unless exposed to glutamate. This might explain the high incidence of diabetes in the elderly and could act as a trigger for early onset diabetes in childhood, which is also hereditary.

Glutamate type-neurons control every neuroendocrine function of the hypothalmus. This neuroendocrine function is designed to control the thyroid gland, adrenal glands, reproductive functions, gonadal function, body growth, and certain aspects of metabolism. But in addition, glutamate controls all the other functions of the hypothalmus, such as the biological clock, the autonomic nervous system, sleep-wake cycles, hunger and satiety, the emotions of anger and rage, and even conciousness itself. So we see that anything that disrupts or impairs normal functioning of the hypothalmus can have devastating effects on the organism as a whole. Early exposure in life to high doses of glutamate, or the other excitotoxins, could produce a whole array of disorders much later in life, such as obesity, impaired growth, endocrine problems, sleep difficulties, emotional problems including episodic anger, and sexual psycho-pathology. (WorldNetDaily recently had a section examining the emerging trend reported in the news of so many teachers becoming involved with their underage students sexually.. that could certainly be seen as a part of what is meant by sexual psycho-pathology.) One reason the FDA has not issued a warning is that babies exposed to MSG and NutraSweet are not born obviously deformed, as were those exposed, for example, to the drug Thalidomide. Many of these hypothalmic-endocrine disorders are subtle and the effects of hypothalmic damage usually does not show up until many years later, even during adulthood. Therefore, a scientifically stringent connection is difficult to make. (ref 3)

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It is of note that what Doctor Blaylock and these other neuroscientist researchers saw in their research was that these brain damaging substances added to our food supply can damage the hypothalmus gland, and that CAUSES obesity in mice REGARDLESS of food intake. This is because it messes up the hormonal balance in the body. (The hypothalmus produces hormones.) The mice had this happen much more quickly than humans do, and for a time it was thought that the blood-brain barrier protects adults completely from the damaging effects of these excitotoxic food substances - so it was only exposure when young which could cause the accumulated damage to happen in a human body. But this was proved false by Dr. Blaylock after he did further reseach (done after the research results quoted above - see his subsequent books). Indeed, it was found that over time, there is accumulative damage and toxin induced obesity even in the adult population.... in other words, the additive excitotoxins in fast foods and prepared foods is what is making adult Americans fat and sick - not the calories, fat, protein or carbs.. as well as causing the young to become overweight and sick.

But it does damage the young in a greater measure, and these little ones whose hormonal levels are out of whack have no hope of ever being normal again. These people are damaged. All they can do is treat the symptoms of the disease (more on how to do that in the next section). But for the men, women and children in our culture; don't you think someone should stop the wholesale slaughter of our hypothalmus glands by the food industry? Shouldn't some watchdog organization be doing something to protect our collective health? Doctor Blaylock documents what happened when the attempt was made early on to bring this to the attention of the authorities and I feel it is worth quoting him here at length, so you understand the scope of the deception.
QUOTE:

Bias in Science by Doctor Russell L. Blaylock, MD.
(Quote taken from his book "Excitotoxins, the taste that kills" P 54-56)

Scientists are human, just like the rest of us. Too often we envision them almost as religious figures, dedicated to a quest for truth and wisdom that is pure and logical. But a closer examination reveals that sometimes they have a weakness for short cuts to sucess -- dishonesty, distortion of results, faked data, and other forms of deceit. One only needs to survey William Broad and Nicolas Wade's book, "Betrayers of the Truth: Fraud and Deceit in the Halls of Science", or Dixy Lee Ray's book, "Trashing the Planet", to realize the truth of this statement.

In the case of excitotoxins there is a more pertinent example. When Dr. John Olney discovered the harmful effects of food bourne MSG on the brains of developing animals he attempted to alert the FDA concerning this danger. He assumed that they would welcome his information with open arms and open minds. But he was soon to learn that government protected industries can be formidable foes. Dr. Olney stated that soon after he had published the results of his experimental findings on the toxicity of MSG in 1969 he came under tremendous fire from various directions. A multitude of papers were published attacking his data, claiming that when his experiments were repeated in their labs no toxicity was found.

But he found that all these detractors all his one thing in common, in that "they were all affiliated in one way or another with the Glu (glutamate) and/or food industries." Further, he noted, one group of food industry apologists wrote an indignant letter to the scientific publication "Science" claiming that Dr. Olney's experiments were invalid because he had used baby animals and baby animals were inappropriate subjects for the study because they had immature enzyme systems that made them especially vulnerable to glutamate toxicity. Incredibly, this was at a time when the food industry was adding large amounts of MSG to baby foods. Their logic escapes the rational mind, unless it is motivated by industrial profits.

Dr. Olney, realizing the terrible implications for the health of millions of babies, continued his fight to alert the public and the FDA concerning this danger. The FDA referred this tough issue to a government-sponsored "Food Protection Committee" in an effort to resolve the MSG/baby food controversy. Along with the food and glutamate industry spokesman, Dr. Olney testified before this committee. Incredibly, the members of this committe seemed more interested in what the food industry spokesman had to say than what a highly respected neuroscientist had to contribute.

One spokesman for the food and glutamate industries stated that even if MSG did indeed destroy the arcuate nucleus in the hypothalamus, it didn't matter because it was not known to have any functional significance. Yet it was well known at the time that the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalmus played a vital role in the regulation and release of important hormones from the pituitary. The committee continued to declare MSG safe as a food additive even in baby foods. Dr. Olney states that at this point he began to look into the backgrounds of the members of the "independent" FDA committe and discovered that, "it was founded by, funded by and totally controlled by the food industry and that most of the members of the sub-committee appointed to investigate the Glu (glutamate)/baby food issue had strong financial ties with the glu (glutamate) and/or food industry. The committee chairman was receiving money from both industries at the time of the committee deliberations."

After Dr. Olney described these events to the Senate committee, pressure was exerted upon the FDA to use more objective reviews. But there is little evidence that the FDA has really changed its ways. Dr. George Schwarts discovered that a pamphlet put out by the FDA outlining the consumer "facts" concerning the safety of MSG as a food additive had in truth been compiled and published by The Glutamate Association, which describes itself as an "organization of manufacturers, national marketers, and processed food users of glutamic acid and its salts, including monosodium glutamate." When Dr. Schwartz pointed this out to the FDA authorities they quietly removed the pamphlet from circulation.

But the deception doesn't stop there. Dr. Olney points out that another method used by the industry is to fund numerous studies that purportedly demonstrate the safety of MSG. These studies appear to be carefully designed to avoid finding such neurotoxicity. Interestingly, these studies were published in Toxicology journals that are "editorially controlled by the very authors of the studies (or their cronies)." When challenged in public forums about the safety of MSG in food, Dr. Olney says, these fellow-travellers of the industry merely produce a tall stack of such deceptive studies, and as a result, the more important studies by experienced and highly respected neuroscientists are numerically overwhelmed. Industry spokesmen typically say, "The overwhelming number of studies demonstrate no such toxicity." That is, the evidence is "weighed by the pound: and not by the quality of the work done". Olney notes that over the past years the FDA has accepted such tainted studies uncritically.

It is obvious that the FDA has been captured by the chief MSG manufacturer, The Ajinomoto company of Japan, the food industries and their public relations organization. The Glutamate Association, by producing a multitude of spurious studies proportedly showing that MSG is safe as a food additive they can say with impunity, "The weight of the scientific evidence demonstrates that MSG is safe for human consumption."

The public has the perception that the FDA, being a government organization designed and dedicated to quality assurance and safety, would never allow an unsafe product to be used by the food industry. In fact, most of us assume that the FDA is, if anything, too cautious. This has been the case with their rulings on carcinogenic compounds in the food. They have come under increasing criticism from a number of groups and scientists for using too stringent criteria in such determinations.

But in this instance, we have seen that powerful industrial giants have been able to capture a government agency and use it to promote an unsafe product.

The following story will help give the reader some idea as to the obstacles that are being faced by those who wish to expose the safety issues involved with MSG and other excitotoxin use.

In 1971 Dr. W. A. Reynolds and coworkers reported that they were unable to confirm Dr. Olney's previous findings that MSG fed to infant monkeys consistently resulted in injuries to specific areas of the hypothalmus. That is, they found that large doses of MSG fed to newborn monkeys had no toxic effect on infant monkeys' brains.

Dr. Olney became suspicious of the study when he realized that they were feeding massive doses of MSG to these infant animals. In his experience, such doses almost always caused the animals to vomit. But if the monkeys did indeed vomit, Dr. Reynold's data would be completely invalid since little of the MSG would have actually been absorbed.

Later, at a public hearing, Dr. Olney asked Dr. Reynolds if their monkeys vomited. In front of a large audience she admitted that they had. Yet, a few months later, when the report appeared in "Science" magazine, no mention was made of vomiting, a critical omission.

Dr. Olney wrote "Science" magazine a letter asking why this vital data was omitted. They referred his letter to Dr. Reynolds. This time she denied that the animals had ever vomited.

Four years later Reynolds and others published another paper admitting that the monkeys had vomited after feeding them large doses of MSG. But of even greater importance, for the first time they admitted that their monkeys were under anesthesia throughout the entire experiment, using a drug called phencyclidine. This powerful anesthetic agent is also one of the most potent antagonists of glutamate receptors known. (It is related to MK-801.) This drug is known to totally prevent MSG lesions of the hypothalmus. Therefore, their entire experiment was invalid from the beginning. It is hard to believe that they were unaware of this protective effect of phencyclidine.

Finally, Dr. Olney pointed out that the photomicrographs of the animals' hypothalmus submitted with the articles were taken from the areas of the hypothalmus known not to be affected by MSG. That they knew this was proven by the fact that Dr. Olney invited one of their researchers to observe the MSG damaged area in his laboratory. The researcher admitted that MSG was indeed causing the lesions. Yet, according to Dr. Olney, Dr. Reynolds used this same "negative" photomicrograph in a subsequent article to "prove" that MSG was safe.

Dr. Olney concluded, "How does one defend the fact that instead of investigating this laboriously, FDA has uncritically accepted, cited, promoted, and relied heavily on the Reynolds, et al. monkey data as basis for continuing to classify glutamate as GRAS (generally recognised as safe)?

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So if you are asking, But what about the government? Won't they help you? Won't they safeguard your health from anyone committing this "sin of omission"? Dr. Blaylock in his book says no, as I have documented above. The interests of big business are far too entrenched and strong to allow your health to be their first concern if it will affect their bottom line. So the only thing you can do at this time is to try to eat less of the excitotoxins, and take supplements to ward off the effects of the damage (see next section). The point I am making is.. the chances of having a governmental solution is about the same as having the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists become supportive of the Democracy of Iraq. Let's just says their interests differ at this time. YOU must save your own health and life.. hence the name of this series of posts, "Save Your Own Life... " because no one else will do it for you. You can choose to become exposed to these substances and die from them slowly, or protect your brain and body from their effects as best you are able. The choice is up to you.

Lastly, I must mention a terrible trend.. there is research going on within the biotech industry which is geared toward making genetically altered plants which have these excitotoxins encorporated into their cell structures so the food tastes better than the natural. Obviously they think the buying public will buy more of what tastes better so it will be a money maker.. and damn your health (quite literally). This will mean that you cannot avoid the hypothalmus damage and hormonal disruption no matter what you choose to eat because it will be encorporated into the food itself. God help us all. But for now, we have a small amount of choice and ability to protect our bodies and brains from this interference. I suggest we make use of what tools we now have available, for as long as we can. So, in the next section I will give strategies to help protect yourself from excitotoxic damage - beyond the obvious "avoid all foods with these excitotoxic substances in them."

And for the record, this does affect the health of the Iraqi people. As the US exports its hypothalmus-damaging fast food and drink to the Middle East, those indulging in them will have the same accumulated disease states and obesity happen to their populations in time.. as all cultures which embrace the western diet (and its excitotoxins) do.

Sara.
ref 1 - back page of Excitotoxins
ref 2 - P. 14, 34 "Excitotoxins, the taste that kills" by Dr. Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
ref 3 - Excitotoxins, the taste that kills" by Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. Chapter 4

-- February 7, 2008 12:51 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Will someone please tell me what happens to Presidential Order 13303 (Allows US Citizens to invest in the New Iraq . Under this Order and the Coalition Provisional Government Order 39, a US citizen has the same rights to investments as an Iraqi citizen)after the term of GWB expires?

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 2:27 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Oil Minister: Government determined to issue Oil Law

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Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein Al Shahritsani affirmed that it’s soon to know whether OPEC will change its oil production in its ministerial meeting on March 5. In an interview with Reuters on the sidelines of London conference, Al Shahristani noted that OPEC decision will be based on market and demand figures. He renewed the government’s determination to accelerate the issuance of Oil Law and increase daily production to about 3 million barrels a day before the end of the current year. Al Shahristani affirmed that Iraq plans to increase its production three times within five years to reaching 6 million barrels a day.

On the other hand, Iraq Kurdistan’s regional government affirmed that it will pursue signing contracts with oil companies despite threats of cutting off exports due to the debate over the validity of these contracts. Kurdistan’s regional government Oil Minister Ashti Hourami said on the sidelines of an oil conference in London that Kurdistan did not stop yet signing new contracts and will pursue talks with oil companies. He warned that Baghdad threats will only draw away investments. He added that if there were differences between the regional and the central governments, they should be solved between he concerned parties as third parties should not be dragged into this debate.

(http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Economics...e-Oil-Law.html)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 7, 2008 4:16 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

I doubt they can criminalize something that was made legal previously by Presidential order, except using another such order overriding the first one. That seems unlikely. In the event of an overriding Presidential order removing the ability to buy Dinar, I cannot see such a negating act would be retroactive to those of us who obtained Dinar legitimately under the present Presidential order which is in effect.

Sara.

-- February 7, 2008 4:16 PM


Sara wrote:

Oh, how suprising, hey? (NOT)

===

Iran DIDN'T 'Halt' Nuke Program After all!
Where's the NYTimes' Apology?
By Warner Todd Huston
February 7, 2008

Remember how the New York Times went apoplectic over last December's NIE estimate that brashly claimed that Iran had suspended their intent to manufacture nuclear arms? It was a front pager and formed the basis of claims that we had illegitimately targeted Iran for rhetorical attacks by many people who opposed the Bush Administration's entire foreign policy regime. Well, as the New York Sun said on the 7th, "what a difference two months make." It appears that the original NIE report was too hasty in its claims that Iran was innocent as the driven snow. .

On December 3rd, the NYT led its front page, "News Analysis" article with this startling statement:

Rarely, if ever, has a single intelligence report so completely, so suddenly, and so surprisingly altered a foreign policy debate here.

And in their followup report, the first paragraph read as follows:

A new assessment by American intelligence agencies released Monday concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting a judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.

Well, that all sounds as if the Bush Administration badly bungled the claims that Iran was trying to get the bomb, doesn't it?

But, we are now two months in the future from those breathless reports and it seems as if the initial NIE report that the New York Times was so exercised over turns out not to be so sanguine of Iran's eschewing of its nuclear ambitions.

The New York Sun reported on the 7th that maybe "Iran halted its nuclear weapons program" is a claim that is a bit over blown.

Tuesday, as our Eli Lake reported on page one of yesterday's Sun, the director of national intelligence, Mr. McConnell says he now regrets the phrasing of the unclassified estimate that so stirred America's enthusiasts of diplomacy. In testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Mr. McConnell went further. He noted that Iran is developing both the long range ballistic missiles and the nuclear fuel for a potential weapon. What had halted, it turns out, was work to design the actual warhead and secret enrichment activity. The Iranians continued to enrich uranium in the open in Natanz in defiance of two Security Council resolutions.

As for the secret enrichment and weapons design, Mr. McConnell is not even sure as of mid-2007 whether the Iranians have restarted this work. "We assess with moderate confidence that Tehran had not restarted these activities as of mid-2007, but since they comprised an unannounced secret effort which Iran attempted to hide, we do not know if these activities have been restarted," he told the assembled senators. So why then did the opening sentence of the December 3 assessment state with no equivocation, "We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program"? Mr. McConnell said that it was because he had to assemble quickly a declassified estimate in late November and that it did not occur to him that this kind of declarative statement would confuse the issue.

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Well, that is a whole different kettle of fish(wrappers) isn't it? This new assessment, this correction to the earlier NIE report that the NYT was so excited to report, really flies in the face of what the Times said before.

Of course they reported on this reassessment of last December's NIE claims. On the 5th the NYT gave us their report on McConnell's latest appearance before the Senate intelligence committee. Curiously, their lead paragraph didn't contain a word to correct their earlier reports, but it did have this to say:

Michael McConnell, the director of national intelligence, said on Tuesday that Al Qaeda is improving its ability to attack within the United States by recruiting and training new operatives. At the same time, he said, a terrorist group in Iraq that claims allegiance to Al Qaeda is beginning to send militants to other countries.

Curiously, as you can see, the Times focused on the Al Qaeda threat discussed by McConnell instead of the correction to the Iran Nuke program story. It took half way down the story to finally see the Times address the new nuke assessment. And even there they addressed it in scoffing terms.

The report attempted to calibrate its assessment of the Iranian nuclear threat, following the National Intelligence Estimate last year that concluded that Iran had probably suspended its nuclear weapons work in the fall of 2003. That finding appeared to undercut American diplomatic efforts to press Iran on the nuclear issue.

"We remain concerned about Iran’s intentions and assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons," the report said.

"We assess with high confidence that Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons,” it said, adding that the only plausible way to prevent Iran from producing such weapons was “an Iranian political decision to abandon a nuclear weapons objective."

And that is all the Times has to say about this news.

No apology.

Nothing.

Last December, the Times yelled from the rooftops about Bush's "failures."

Today, when their premise is shown to be false, they slink away pretending nothing happened.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/02/07/iran-didnt-halt-nuke-program-after-all-wheres-nytimes-apology

-- February 7, 2008 4:21 PM


Sara wrote:

Is IRAN related to Iraq?
Yes.

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U.S. accuses Iran of continuing to aid insurgents in Iraq
www.chinaview.cn
2008-02-08

WASHINGTON, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- A senior U.S. State Department official said Thursday Iran has been continuing to support the insurgents in Iraq to fight against the U.S.-led coalition troops in the country.

"Iran remains lethally engaged in terms of providing training and equipment to the most radical and the most violent forces in Iraq. Attacks by those forces continue," said David Satterfield, the State Department's Iraq coordinator.

Attacks on the U.S.-led forces with armor-piercing munitions suspected from Iran have increased in recent months, Satterfield said.

"Iran remains, we believe, determined to pursue its goal of departure of U.S. forces under as difficult circumstances as possible," he said.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/08/content_7581156.htm

-- February 7, 2008 7:03 PM


Sara wrote:

Romney announces end of race
www.chinaview.cn
008-02-08

WASHINGTON, Feb. 7 (Xinhua) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney announced on Thursday that he would suspend his campaign.

"This is not an easy decision ...I hate to lose," Romney told a conservative group in a Washington hotel. "I feel I must now stand aside for our party and for our country."

"Today we are a nation at war. And Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror: They would retreat, declare defeat ... I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," said the former Massachusetts governor, 60.

"Now, I disagree with Senator McCain on a number of issues ...But I agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be successful in Iraq, and finding and executing Osama bin Laden," he told the Conservative Political Action Conference.

"I agree with him on eliminating Al Qaida and terror worldwide," he added.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-02/08/content_7581137.htm

-- February 7, 2008 7:21 PM


Willie wrote:

Sara, Just keep on being Sara as you are well loved by a whole lot of people here. There are so many that are misguided, just keep on loving them and forgive them as they no not what they do. Do not harbor any bitterness in your heart but think on things which are good and pure. Their is such freedom in knowing that we are just in the world but not part of it. Oh such peace!!!!

-- February 8, 2008 1:22 AM


Franko wrote:

Sara, Thanks for part #3. I agree with Willie.I have been reading this site since day one, So stay strong, your light shines bright :)

Franko

-- February 8, 2008 10:52 AM


Sara wrote:

Thanks, Willie and Franko, I do appreciate it. :)

I am writing what I expect will be the last part, Part Four (or D) about how to combat the effects of excitotoxins. It will take a while because, like the others, it requires a lot of pulling research and putting it all in one place. But as I was researching to find support for my statement that the Western diet, when adopted, brings people ill health (due to excitotoxins), I found this article which states, "There's no doubt heart disease has become a much more serious problem in Western countries over the past century, and that other populations that adopt a "Western" diet see an increase in heart disease."

But it goes on to state they don't know why it does that, since it isn't the fat or the bad carbs.. or even the salt which is responsible. They just don't see WHAT could be causing it. The entire article is interesting because it states so much of what we believe in nutrition research is based on sloppy science, and I agree with that. I am trying to make certain all I state is based on good science and backed by empirical data which you can check out if you use my references.

The article is interesting because it shows how they know something is causing the obesity epidemic and heart disease, etc.. but when the "experts" try looking at fat, then fibre, then bad carbohydrates, then calories, then salt.. they just can't see what is the cause, scientifically, of all the proliferation of health problems. They all miss the excitotoxins. I wonder if they are blinded by the powers of darkness to this, as I have had so much spiritual opposition that I do think they are deeply involved in doing this to destroy our health.

Here is that article, which I found fascinating (My bracketed comments):

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Good food, bad food
Everything we think we know about nutrition research is based on sloppy science
Alex Hutchinson, Citizen Special
December 01, 2007

The main priority of researchers who study nutrition is, laudably, to save lives. But according to science journalist Gary Taubes, that's also their basic failing. "It's honourable," he acknowledges. "But it conflicts with the desire to find the truth."

Taubes' current bestseller Good Calories, Bad Calories is being widely touted as a challenge to the orthodoxy of low-fat diets. But the book's target is much broader than that: The entire edifice of nutritional science and public health advocacy is scrutinized, and found wanting. We may "know" that salt is bad and fibre is good, that saturated fat is bad and exercise is good, and that obesity is simply a matter of ingesting more calories than we use -- but every single one of those beliefs is supported only by sloppy science, Taubes argues, and is routinely contradicted by the very studies that purport to prove it.

This argument flies in the face of overwhelming scientific consensus. But it's clear that research into diet and health faces a number of obstacles that could permit error to creep in. If you put people on a low-fat diet, are you also reducing the calories? How strictly are you controlling the diet? For how long?

Since blind clinical trials are effectively impossible, researchers often compare large populations (comparing diet and heart disease in, say, North America, Japan and some Mediterranean countries). But how do you distinguish between cause and effect? More importantly, how do you choose which countries to compare?

Taubes cut his journalistic teeth in the 1980s writing about bad physics (he wrote the definitive account of the "cold fusion" fiasco). But physics and nutrition science differ in two key respects, he says.

First, there is the constant sense of a ticking clock.

"If your concern is that people are dying out there by the tens of thousands, you don't have time to do the rigorous testing," he says. "So instead you get the hypothesis and you start taking leaps of faith."

Second, since public health policy involves convincing people to accept the advice of experts, there is pressure to suppress any dissenting views once a hypothesis is adopted. This makes it exceptionally difficult to overturn conventional dietary wisdom once it's entrenched.

The five "nutritional dogmas" highlighted here are all culled from Taubes' 600-page tome, which puts more than a century of research under the microscope, and includes 100-plus pages of references.

"What I kept saying to my editor is that we don't need another book that says, 'Don't eat carbs,'" he says. "We need a book that convinces the medical establishment to take this argument seriously."

1. Saturated fat raises cholesterol, which leads to heart disease

There's no doubt heart disease has become a much more serious problem in Western countries over the past century, and that other populations that adopt a "Western" diet see an increase in heart disease. Researchers in the 1950s concluded it was a result of the increased fat content of modern diets, although other components of the diet, such as sugars and refined carbohydrates, had also increased dramatically.

Attempts to pin the blame first on dietary cholesterol, then on dietary fat, then most recently on saturated fat, have met with mixed results. The studies have often been muddied by changing multiple variables, or else they simply rely on comparisons between populations that can't tease out which cause led to which effect. But a review in 2001 by the independent Cochrane Collaboration of the 27 most rigorous trials concluded that low-fat or cholesterol-lowering diets had no significant effect on longevity or cardiovascular events.

Not finding a significant effect doesn't mean the effect doesn't exist, but it does suggest it's neither as pronounced nor as clear-cut as the prevailing wisdom would have us believe. And it raises the question of whether there might be another cause that's been missed.

2. Consuming more calories than you burn leads to obesity

This statement seems almost too obvious to debate -- which is why Taubes views his discussion of it as the most important and most challenging section of his book. The question, he says, is about the "arrow of causality." Do you become obese because you eat more calories than you burn? Or do you eat more calories than you burn because you're predisposed to become obese?

Taubes cites two key research findings: First, most obese people don't eat more, on average, than lean people. And second, the effect of exercise on weight appears to be negligible, which isn't surprising considering that a 250-pound man would have to climb 20 flights of stairs to burn the energy in a single slice of bread. The effect of artificially restricting calories (or, equivalently, increasing exercise without increasing calories) is the same on an obese person as it is on a lean person, Taubes argues: It creates an unsustainable regime of semi-starvation. We get hungry.

Since obesity is a disorder of fat accumulation, Taubes says, we should look at the effect of different nutrients on the hormones that regulate our fat tissue -- insulin, in particular. (I think they are getting warm there, but they missed the hypothalmus and its role completely... ) Refined carbohydrates and sugars elevate insulin levels, which works to deposit calories as fat and keep them there, unavailable for use. The result is a kind of internal starvation, reducing the energy available for physical activity and stimulating hunger even when adequate energy would seem to be available.

3. Dietary fibre reduces the risk of cancer and other maladies

Fibre no longer has the cachet it once had, but it's still widely considered a key part of a healthy diet, and organizations like the Heart and Stroke Foundation continue to recommend it as a means of controlling blood sugar and cholesterol.

But the fibre story gets the facts backward, Taubes argues. In the 1960s, a scientist named Peter Cleave proposed that refined carbohydrates play a key role in the development of heart disease, diabetes, and a host of other chronic diseases, essentially anticipating Taubes' argument. Cleave was ignored, in part because his theory contradicted the dominant theory that fat was the problem.

But another investigator, Denis Burkitt, came up with a way to reconcile the two theories. Rather than blaming the addition of refined carbohydrates, he blamed the subtraction of fibre from unrefined carbohydrates. In other words, white bread was bad not because of its simple carbohydrates, but because it lacked the inert, indigestible fibre of whole-wheat bread. This permitted fat to remain the primary villain, with fibre granted a protective role -- despite the fact that, in the years since then, trials have consistently failed to confirm the benefits of fibre, Taubes says.

4. Salt leads to high blood pressure

High blood pressure is indisputably unhealthy, and it's certainly plausible that salt causes it. Consuming salt makes us retain water, which elevates blood pressure, the argument goes. Surprisingly, though, research has failed to show the clear benefits of salt reduction that would be expected. Even the most rose-coloured interpretation of the data suggests that cutting our average salt intake in half -- a nearly impossible task -- will drop our blood pressure by only a few mm Hg, whereas anyone with hypertension has blood pressure of at least 20 mm Hg above normal healthy levels.

Taubes, on the other hand, points out that carbohydrate-rich diets also cause us to retain water, thus elevating blood pressure, a fact that was reported as early as 1860. That's why low-carb diets stimulate a quick initial loss of water weight. And more recent studies have confirmed that elevated insulin levels cause the water-retaining effect of carbohydrates -- evidence enough to suggest to Taubes that carbohydrates, rather than salt, may be the cause of high blood pressure.

5. Vitamins and minerals are an essential part of a balanced diet

The discovery in 1753 that scurvy in British sailors could be prevented or cured with citrus juice was one of the classic demonstrations that a "disease of deficiency" could be cured with vitamins, in this case vitamin C. Other vitamins proved to have similar capabilities (vitamin B1 for beriberi, for instance), clearly showing the benefits of a balanced diet featuring lots of fruits and vegetables.

But animal foods actually contain large quantities of 12 of the 13 essential vitamins, with vitamin C being the exception. Canadian Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson famously described his years in the early part of the 20th century living with Inuit people and subsisting on a diet consisting almost exclusively of meat and fish with no ill effects -- a feat he later repeated in an experimental setting, living for a year in New York on nothing but meat.

It has since been shown that blood levels of B vitamins and, apparently, vitamin C, are reduced in the presence of carbohydrates. So British sailors consuming a sugar-rich diet did need limes to ward off scurvy, while Stefansson, feasting on seal meat, didn't.

If everything is wrong, what's right?

Taubes has done a meticulous job of demonstrating how little we really know about nutrition. But even his own ideas about the dangers of refined carbohydrates and sugars are still just hypotheses, as he fully admits. That's why he ends his book with a plea to the medical establishment to fund the relevant studies.

In the meantime, though, we have to eat. And if you find Taubes' arguments compelling, he doesn't think you need to worry about any ill effects, since he's simply recommending we revert to a diet from an earlier time.

"It's not about what you do eat, it's about what you don't eat. And what you're not eating is what we didn't eat as a species until at the very least 2,000 years ago, and for foods like refined sugar, 200 years ago," he says. "I can't imagine how that could be unhealthy."

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/arts/story.html?id=0e14c04c-5ff8-431d-bd8b-7fbcb55a35f0

He is looking in the wrong direction, by my view. It is not possible to return to a diet of an earlier time because we have too many excitotoxins in our food. Unless the food giants are forced by government to pull them out, we must mitigate their effects or be doomed to ill health in the future. Working on that (Part Four) now..

Sara.

-- February 8, 2008 12:53 PM


Sara wrote:

U.S. Official: Iran Operating Newer, More Advanced Nuclear Centrifuge
Friday, February 08, 2008
By James Rosen

WASHINGTON — Iran is operating a newer, more advanced centrifuge at the country's Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz, a State Department official who works on arms control and WMD issues has confirmed to FOX News.

U.S. officials were trying to determine the origin of the new centrifuges.

To enrich uranium to the high levels needed for a nuclear weapon, centrifuges are assembled in groups of 164 — known as "cascades."

Mastery of a single cascade is an extremely difficult process, but once that is achieved it is fairly easy for an industrialized country to attain a nuclear weapons capability because it requires only the building of more cascades and enough fissile uranium to feed into them.

Previously, Iran has been known to be operating P-1 centrifuges, a 1970s-era model; however, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made some unverifiable boasts about experimentation with the P-2: The newer, faster model developed by Pakistan and sold on the black market to some rogue nations by the A.Q. Khan network.

"We're not certain that these are P-2s ... or a variant of it," the State Department official said.

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, was expected to issue its latest report on the status of the Iranian nuclear program around Feb. 20, and will almost certainly provide more information about Iran's work with centrifuges.

Such a report by Director General Mohamed ElBaradei would have the effect, like his past reports, of complicating U.S. efforts to rally the international community to take decisive action to halt Iran's uranium enrichment.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330052,00.html

-- February 8, 2008 7:33 PM


Sara wrote:

Iraq Welcomes Russian Debt Write-Off
By Associated Press
February 8, 2008

BAGHDAD -- Iraqi President Jalal Talabani welcomed Friday an expected Russian decision to write off 91 percent of Iraq's estimated $13 billion debt, calling it a "historic turning point" in relations between the two countries.

A diplomat at the Iraqi Embassy in Moscow said Thursday that the pact would be signed during a visit by Iraq's Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari that starts Sunday. A Russian Finance Ministry official also said a debt-restructuring deal was planned.

They both spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to make public statements.

In June, China announced it was forgiving Iraq's debt. It didn't give figures, but the Iraqis said they owed China about $8 million.

But some of Iraq's major creditors, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, have refused to do so until they see progress on national reconciliation, economic reform and security.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-iraq-russia-debt,1,785746.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

-- February 8, 2008 7:37 PM


Sara wrote:


Save Your Own Life...

Part D: Avoidance and How to Overcome Hypothalmus Damage

The first thing for a person of any age is AVOIDANCE..
we should stop ingesting excitotoxins such as MSG.
Easy enough, you say? Not really.

The problem is that so many foods contain MSG.
They have been adding it exponentially into the food supply since 1940 (see part C).
It isn't just the words Monosodium Glutamate or MSG which you have to look for on labels.
QUOTE:

Foods always contain MSG when these words are on the label:

MSG
Gelatin
Calcium Caseinate
Monosodium glutamate
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein (HVP)
Textured Protein
Monopotassium glutamate
Hydrolyzed Plant Protein (HPP)
Yeast Extract
Glutamate
Autolyzed Plant Protein
Yeast food or nutrient
Glutamic Acid
Sodium Caseinate
Autolyzed Yeast

Foods made with the following products often contain MSG

Malted Barley (flavor)
Flavors, Flavoring
Modified food starch
Barley malt
Reaction Flavors
Rice syrup or brown rice syrup
Malt Extract or Flavoring
Natural Chicken, Beef, or Pork, Flavoring
"Seasonings" (Most assume this means salt, pepper, or spices and herbs, which sometimes it is.)
Lipolyzed butter fat
Maltodextrin
Soy Sauce or Extract
"Low" or "No Fat" items
Caramel Flavoring (coloring)
Soy Protein
Corn syrup and corn syrup solids (some companies use another process to make their product, saying it is MSG free)
Stock
Soy Protein Isolate or Concentrate
Citric Acid (when processed from corn)
Broth
Cornstarch
Milk Powder
Bouillon
Flowing Agents
Dry Milk Solids
Carrageenan
Wheat, rice, or oat protein
Protein Fortified Milk
Whey Protein or Whey
Anything enriched or vitamin enriched
Annatto
Whey Protein Isolate or Concentrate
Protein fortified "anything"
Spice
Pectin
Enzyme modified "anything"
Gums
Protease
Ultra-pasteurized "anything"
Dough Conditioners
Protease enzymes
Fermented "anything"
Yeast Nutrients

European numbers for glutamate containing additives:

620 625
621 627
622 631
623 635
624

http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

These are some of the names of excitotoxins in the food supply which we get from the grocery store everyday, and it is at the grocery store that we choose what to buy and eat, so this is the first place to start.. by using this as a watch list for ingredients to avoid when you shop at your local grocery store. The point is to not ingest these substances - remember, you are trying to protect your HEALTH by doing this, not just go on a diet - though it will help with that, too, if need be. You should be attempting to drastically reduce your exposure to excitotoxins in most of the meals you prepare (or snack on), and this list is a good place to start. Remember, though, that this is just ONE excitotoxin.. as I quoted, there are SEVENTY known. But it is the most used in the food supply so know these code words for it and avoid it like the plague it is to your health.

When you do eat out, you are eating what you cannot see, and they want you to return to their food place so they want their food to be delicious and memorable.. why wouldn't they put a flavor enhancer like MSG in your food? Remember from part C what it does? Quote: "It suppressed undesirable flavors, gave "zest" to food, removed the "tinny" taste of canned foods, and turned bland foods into gourmet meals."

Would the restaurant you go to want you to go to the competition's place because their food "tastes better" - like a "gourmet meal"? And how can they stay competitive if they have cheap quality goods which taste like they are cheap quality? They can't serve you ground up tenderloin steak in their hamburgers to offset the "gourmet" taste of hamburgers prepared by the competition with excitotoxins or they will go out of business. Restaurants feel pressured to add these excitotoxins to their food, just to stay competitive and viable financially. And as a result the eating public ingests excitotoxins every single time they eat out.

So as for how to cope with when you eat out or are unavoidably exposed to excitotoxins (special occasion eating, etc).. I suggest you buy and take before such a meal a very simple spice named turmeric. It is what makes curry that yellow or orange color, and it competes with MSG for the uptake at the neuroreceptors. What that means is, you won't be taking so much MSG into your brain if you eat it. It is preferable you never eat MSG, but if it is unavoidable, at least take the precaution of taking some turmeric with your meal (before it is better) so you won't absorb so much of it from the food you ingest. This will not totally block the MSG completely, but it will lessen it greatly and I have tried many other ways (Alpha Lipoic Acid is ok, but not nearly as good as turmeric) and this is the best of them all that I have found so far.

You also should be aware of other excitotoxins that will crop up along the way, for instance, most of the "diet" drinks taste so good because, you guessed it, they are filled with flavor enhancer excitotoxins (like NutraSweet or Aspartame). So as folks sip on their "diet" drink they are actually killing parts of their hypothalmus glands and causing great hormonal disruption and damage to such a degree that it will cause obesity even without excess caloric intake. Remember, it isn't the calories which are causing people to become obese, it is their lack of caution in taking into their bodies chemical compounds which damage their hypothalmus glands.

If the cause of the obesity epidemic is the excitotoxins, the most affected by excitotoxic damage would logically be the poor who eat "junk" food with lots of MSG and excitotoxins in them (cheap food manufacturers use it the most to make their products taste "gourmet"). I refer you to the previous parts of this series where I documented that African Americans have half their population experiencing early onset of puberty.. HALF. That is double the statistic of the white population, likely because the African American diets contain more MSG.. due to the fact that a larger percentage of the population who are African American are poor and so they tend to eat more of the cheap fast and junk food.

Could there be any tie-in between the sexual disorders we are seeing and hypothalmus damage? Remember the good doctor said that MSG "could produce a whole array of disorders much later in life, such as obesity, impaired growth, endocrine problems, sleep difficulties, emotional problems including episodic anger, and sexual psycho-pathology." Is there evidence of an explosion of sexual deviance and anger/murder in the population, say, from 1910 to now? How prevalent were kidnapping, rapes and murders... or serial killers and sex slayings, in 1910? I think you could argue it has increased exponentially. And what of "road rage" violence, school shootings and other crimes of anger? Were they really prevalent in 1910? What if it isn't just "modern pressures" but organ damage which has raised these statistics through the roof? I have documented that there were no insomnia problems (see part B), nor the same degree of obesity we now see (see that gif file at the beginning of Part C). If these are documentably true, could these sexual psychosis (such as serial killers, etc) and rage problems (such as roadrage murders and school shootings) also be at least due in part to hypothalmus damage?

From today's headline news at FOX:
Teen Charged With Manslaughter After Schoolyard Beating Leaves Classmate Dead
Gunman Who Killed 5 at Missouri Council Meeting Left Suicide Note 'Truth Will Come Out'
23-year-old Woman Kills 2 Students in Louisiana College Classroom, Takes Own Life

Quite obviously, if you live in the West and eat a Western diet, you have some excitotoxic damage to your hypothalmus, even if it has not yet become a full blown "problem" or disease. You are just like the monkeys who were fed MSG and then killed which showed no outward behaviorial evidence of the damage but the evidence was there of the hypothalmic damage when examined after their deaths (From Part C of this series - "In one study, scientists gave a rhesus monkey MSG subcutaneously (beneath the skin) by injection and looked for behavioral problems. They found none. The monkey was killed and its brain examined. To their suprise they found significant damage to the hypothalmus gland. This demonstrates that brain cells can be destroyed without there being overt signs of brain damage to an outside observer. The experiment was repeated on nine other monkeys with identical results.").

When a person is young and healthy, they may not see much of this damage in evidence. Only if their body becomes stressed or injured would the extra load and hypothalmus damage evidence itself, as the body would find it difficult to do massive repair after such harm. They would not be able to bounce back like they would have been able to without this silent and unseen damage to their internal organs.

Since I don't believe it will be easy to remove such a monolith which has embraced that which is ruining the public health as GRAS (safe), I will return to what YOU can do to protect yourself before the damage occurs, and, once damaged, what you can do to return yourself to a more normal and healthy state.

As mentioned before, the hypothalmus gland controls the pituitary gland. "The pituitary is the master gland, the control center for most of the endocrine glands throughout the body including the adrenal glands, the thyroid, and the reproductive organs. Through this control the brain regulates growth, metabolism and the onset of puberty and old age." (ref4) Therefore, aging will happen prematurely.. that is, the signs of old age and its diseases will happen sooner than they otherwise would.. if the hypothalmus is damaged. It isn't aging, it is hypothalmus damage. This is what we see when we see these diseases of "old age" suddenly happening in the young. Children with cancer, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke.. these used to be only for old age, remember? As for organ failure, that certainly was only reserved for those very old and facing death..

17-Year-Old Discovers Her Organs Are Failing By Chance
Friday, February 08, 2008
Fox News

A teenager from the U.K. discovered her organs were failing by chance, after playing with her grandmother's blood pressure machine, the Daily Mail reports.

Amea O'Nion went to the doctor after the machine showed she had high blood pressure. Shortly after, doctors found she was suffering from kidney failure.

"Amea was diagnosed with kidney failure in October 2006 and put on dialysis," her mother Denise Andrews told the Daily Mail. "We really didn't know how close she was to dying. She could have had a heart attack."

Following the diagnosis, the 17-year-old received dialysis each night to clean her blood.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329851,00.html

That is kind of disturbing, isn't it? Of course, no cause is given. We are left to thinking this is a sad, isolated event. But as we see what used to be age-related diseases creeping into the young population.. it makes you wonder if it really is such an isolated event, or just another symptom in a system-wide malfunction of the public's health. Diabetes, for instance, has also suddenly had an explosion:

Diabetes explosion expected by 2025
Posted on Dec 5, 2006

New estimates put the number of people with diabetes at 380 million by the year 2025. That's about 7 percent of the world's adults. The staggering projection is based on the continual rise of type 2 diabetes, which is closely linked to obesity. The estimate was published in the newly released Diabetes Atlas, which offers a comprehensive look at the growing problem. Martin Silink, incoming president of the International Diabetes Federation told Reuters: "The enormity of the epidemic has suddenly become apparent to everyone."

Here's more from the Reuters story on the international diabetes meeting that is taking place this week in South Africa:

Experts say diabetes kills as many people as HIV/AIDS and is emerging as one of the chief public health challenges of the 21st Century, especially in developing nations.

The IDF estimates that diabetes -- a chronic condition that occurs when the body either cannot produce or utilize insulin, which is key in processing sugar -- already affects 246 million across the world, up from just 30 million two decades ago.

Diabetes is blamed for the deaths of about 3.8 million people each year, mostly through complications such as strokes and heart attacks.

Every year, 7 million people are afflicted with diabetes, most of them in developing countries where economic progress is bringing with it "lifestyle diseases" such as obesity, once mostly found in rich countries.

Experts say public health messages urging people to watch their diets and exercise more -- something which has not resonated in rich Western countries -- are still the single most important tool to fight the epidemic.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/features_healthblog/2006/12/diabetes_explos.html

Note that just like the "obesity epidemic" and the "sleep epidemic" this is called by the president of the diabetes federation an "epidemic". And it is!! This statistic is up from just 30 million two decades ago, now 380 million!! And it corresponds with "economic progress" (read, the Western diet) which brings "lifestyle diseases" into developing countries. This is excitotoxin damage.. and the US exports it with its fast food and drinks. Here is yet another indicator of exponential damage to human health.. from insomnia epidemic to obesity epidemic and now a diabetic epidemic.. can the cause not be seen and stopped?

As you can see, diseases of aging are manifesting early in the population as the public's hypothalmus glands become impaired. Knowing this, I began to look into hormonal changes as we age, and I found these words by Doctor William Regelson, M.D. in his book about hormones and aging where he states that hormones "actually determine how we age by controlling what I call the true biomarkers of aging; that is, they are a true reflection of the aging process itself. As the levels of hormones decline, so do we, physically and mentally. The loss of these precious hormones saps us of energy and vitality, and shaves decades off our lives."

All the aging disease indicators go up as hypothalmus damage causes a cutback of the natural levels of these hormones in the body, shaving decades off our lives. You see, the real problem is that the glands CANNOT produce hormones in normal amounts (not due to aging.. but...) due to damage from these substances in our food supply. Therefore, over time, we will all need to supplement into our diets that which the hypothalmus gland can no longer produce in our quest for normal health. We will have to turn to that which cures our symtoms of disease - be it depression, moodiness, heart attacks, insomnia, obesity, diabetes or erectile dysfunction - by taking some form of supplement. Since health food supplements have the least side effects, it is wiser to go with them than with drugs. Heath Ledger did not, and his slight miscalculation in dosage cost him his life. Drugs are dangerous. What I am about to share with you solves the problem and is NOT dangerous to your health in the process.

I was given recently an article from "Vista" magazine (Issue 55, page 10) by a friend of mine in Canada. And I think it is no coincidence that the article states that age-related diseases all are going up along with obesity in that country which follows the Western Diet. It says: "Six out of every ten people in Canada have allowed themselves to become overweight to the point of disease. The evidence is now overwhelming that being even moderately overweight is linked to insulin resistance, adult-onset diabetes, heart disease, stroke, numerous forms of cancer, premature senility and Alzheimer's disease. Body fat is the most serious cause of illness today, yet it is almost ignored by medicine. The field of fat control is left mostly to modern-day carpetbaggers who fleece the public..."

The article goes on to deal with a hormone which is decreased in the body when we suffer age-related (or excitotoxin induced) brain and organ damage. It says, "As we age, almost all of us suffer brain and other organ damage which reduces the efficiency of insulin in controlling blood sugar. Long before that, the body is losing control of sugar and fat. The majority of the population is in pre-diabetes. It is now well-documented that raising DHEA levels with low-dose supplements repairs insulin metabolism, improves insulin's efficiency, reduces insulin requirements and lowers blood sugar levels. Raising DHEA levels also helps to transport body fat from storage in fat cells to the muscles for disposal. DHEA supplements also increase testosterone levels in older men and women whose DHEA level is below that of a 30-year-old. It has no effect on those whose DHEA is already at a normal level. The net result in older people, especially in women, is an increase in lean mass and muscle strength, enabling fat to be used as fuel."

The article makes this pertinent assertion, "Without enough DHEA, numerous scientists now attest it is impossible for the human body to complete essential daily maintenance. Without sufficient DHEA, damage slowly accumulates until degenerative disease can gain a foothold. Remember, no one dies of old age. We age and die from disease or accumulated damage."

What this means is that if the hypothalmus is damaged, the body cannot do its essential repairing of body wear and tear, due to the deficiency of the hormone DHEA which occurs as a result of that damage. That is because the DHEA secretion is overseen by the hypothalmus gland. Once it is damaged, DHEA cannot be produced in normal quantities. In the case of sustaining a life-threatening injury (say in the war theatre in Iraq), the body will have difficulty repairing itself due to a lack of the hormone DHEA due to this damage sustained in the hypothalmus gland. The hormonal imbalance will also cause emotional disturbances, and there is a general decline in health.. causing less resiliency in bouncing back mentally, emotionally and physically. Instead of returning to duty, such persons can become incapacitated, or permanently harmed (Gulf War Syndrome, ongoing Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, etc). The underlying problem, however, is actually the repair mechanism being impaired due to damage to the hypothalmus gland.

This scenerio applies to the stresses of corporate and civilian life too.. say that a middle aged man has a heart attack. Obviously, if he eats the Western diet, he has some hypothalmus gland damage and that means he will have less ability for his body to repair the damage and continue with protective care for his heart. The bouncing back is impaired mentally, emotionally and physically from what it would have been had he not been exposed to these damaging substances in his diet which are decreasing his body's hormonal response to this health challenge (DHEAs which are necessary for the repair response and daily maintenance of the body). If he wishes to remain healthy, he must supplement the right hormones and in the right amounts to counter the hormonal damage which has caused his body to be unable to initiate or complete the repair and protective effects necessary for his heart.

The summary of the article is particularly useful - "To summarize - unless DHEAS levels are kept within the range of an average 30-year-old, all the usual fat loss schemes that manipulate food and exercise can achieve only short-term results. All are doomed to repeated failure. Repeated failure to control body fat has been proven to be the cause of numerous diseases. Daily low-dose DHEA supplementation, in the range of 10 to 50 milligrams will maintain DHEAS within or near the 30-year-old range in the majority of aging men and women. DHEA supplementation, therefore, provides a simple, inexpensive, non-toxic strategy for prevention of disease. In cynical moments, I sometimes think that it being a crime to possess this natural nutritional supplement in Canada without a prescription is because Canadian health policy is more concerned with keeping us powerless and controlled than with empowering us to be proactive in controlling and improving our own health." (end quote) (ref 5)

This shows us that the reason for the short term unsustainability of fat loss within the population is due to a lack of hormones.. which happens as we age, but which can be brought on quickly by damage created by excitotoxins. This is why children are now getting these diseases and are becoming obese - it is not merely from a lack of exercise or improper diet. Going back again and again to tinkering with the diet or exercise regimens will not resolve this problem when it is organ damage and hormonal insufficiency at the root of the problem. Only supplementing with what the body is no longer able to produce naturally will allow for long-term results.

This is also true for the other manifestations of hormonal insufficiency as a result of hypothalmus damage. The hypothalmus oversees the master gland (pituitary) and without the hormones coming off of that in right amounts, the entire body is out of whack and open to disease states. In the same way that manipulation of food and exercise will only achieve short-term results because the DHEAS must be within the normal range to control fat metabolism, so the other hormonal disturbances which lead to the other states of disease will be arrested if we can supplement into our bodies what it is no longer producing in the right quantities. This article documents for us that when DHEA drops (due to the hypothalmus gland being damaged or, in the article, "old age"), normal fat control goes away and those sustaining the resulting decrease in hormonal levels will grow fat. It is that simple. Equally though, the other hormones the hypothalmus gland controls will also be stopped or decreased below normal levels, bringing on the other diseased states I have documented in the other parts of this series of posts, not just obesity. DHEA is only a part of the answer, so don't run out and buy DHEA quite yet.. there are other hormonal depletions and I have more and better answers the Lord has graciously helped me figure out and I am willing to share with you shortly. But that will require another post (sorry to those who thought this would be the last one). Please read to the end of the series first before buying any hormonal supplements... remember, I am not doing this for money.. just trying to safeguard your health. You should understand it all first, I believe. Oh, do have turmeric, though.. it is a great thing to add to your diet to protect you from excitotoxic damage and is completely harmless.

Sara.

ref 4 P.13 Excitotoxins, the taste that kills by Russell L. Blaylock, The superhormone promise by William Regelson, M.D. P. 20.
ref 5 Vista Magazine Issue 55, Page 10-12.

-- February 8, 2008 9:51 PM


Roger wrote:

Allawi is in the corner waiting to take over from Malaki, GCC wants to RV, Iraq have said they follow suit, Israel claims they are preparing for an all out war with Iran, the fire in CBI is highly suspected of arson as most of records was destroyed, Sara is doing a health clinic, and the Dollar is still dropping, Gold is swinging pretty good and was at the latest check 930 bucks per Troy Ounce, and the big guys in the oil industry is now licking rear ends in a bidding frenzy in Iraq.

Connect the dots anyone? I can't.

Apart from Iran and Taliban, it's business as usual I would say.

Nothing is as unpredictable as the Middle East.

Somewhere there they just continue with their life as they know it, and we continue to wonder when they will get it straight.

They will continue do what they do, and wonder when we will get it straight.

Whatever works out best.

-"Better one in the forest , than ten in the hand"

-- February 9, 2008 6:59 AM


DinarAdmin wrote:

Sara, the negative comments I removed were posted from a Canadian IP address in Edmonton, Alberta. The only Canadian I remember posting on here was timbitts, but he was friendly toward you. Is this person bringing some unrelated argument from another board here?

DinarAdmin.

-- February 9, 2008 3:42 PM


Sara wrote:

DinarAdmin;

I have no idea who this person is. And I really don't want to go over some old argument from some lackey who lost an argument with me in the past and holds a grudge. Please delete anything else he/she/it posts. It is certainly off topic of this board and its discussions in my view. I believe that Tim Bitts said he was from southern Alberta, not the liberal north (Edmonton).

Sara.

-- February 9, 2008 3:47 PM


Sara wrote:

Connecting the Dots..

Bradley Church.. thank you for your comment.
I was going back over the board and reread it during my search.
I appreciate your sentiment very much.
The reason I was going back over the board posts was to "connect the dots", as Roger was speaking of today.

Here, Roger.. are a few dots.. connected together.
Let me know if you see the connection to the Dinar investment as I do.

As I explained in this post:
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2008/01/iraqidinardiscu.html#133544
Iran is a big influence on the fortunes of Iraq and the Dinar.
And their theology with the hidden Imam influences their war strategy,
QUOTE:

In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations.

According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys.

Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted.

The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons.

==end quote==

From a leaked MI5 report From the UK’s Sunday Times from ten months ago we learned that Al Qaeda is Planning a "Hiroshima" against a "western target",

QUOTE:

"The report was compiled by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) - based at MI5’s London headquarters - and provides a quarterly review of the international terror threat to Britain. The report: “Recent reporting has described AQI’s Kurdish network in Iran planning what we believe may be a large-scale attack against a western target."
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2008/01/iraqidinardiscu.html#133545

In the article from Feb 7, 2008 called, Iran DIDN'T 'Halt' Nuke Program After all!

QUOTE:

Michael McConnell, the director of national intelligence, said on Tuesday Feb 5, 2008 that Al Qaeda is improving its ability to attack within the United States by recruiting and training new operatives. At the same time, he said, a terrorist group in Iraq that claims allegiance to Al Qaeda is beginning to send militants to other countries.

==end quote==

Are you seeing any pieces coming together here?

Further, the article states that this same Mr McConnell was contrite about his last statement with the NIE where he stated, ""We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program"

Indeed, this soft backpedalling statement glares out from the page, quote, "The New York Sun reported on the 7th that maybe "Iran halted its nuclear weapons program" is a claim that is a bit over blown."

The article quoted Mr. McConnell saying, "that it was because he had to assemble quickly a declassified estimate in late November and that it did not occur to him that this kind of declarative statement would confuse the issue."

Did you notice that? He just didn't think saying that Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program would "confuse the issue" so much, hey? What confusion could it possibly have created? Well.. Mr. McConnell went on to say that his statement was not quite true.. and instead he NOW judges, quote:

"We remain concerned about Iran’s intentions and assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons," the report said.

"We assess with high confidence that Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons,” it said, adding that the only plausible way to prevent Iran from producing such weapons was “an Iranian political decision to abandon a nuclear weapons objective."

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2008/01/iraqidinardiscu.html#133639

When Romney gave his speech he said this:

Even though we face an uphill fight, I know that many in this room are fully behind my campaign.” You are with me all the way to the convention. Fight on, just like Ronald Reagan did in 1976. But there is an important difference from 1976: today… we are a nation at war.

And Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror. They would retreat and declare defeat. And the consequence of that would be devastating. It would mean attacks on America, launched from safe havens that make Afghanistan under the Taliban look like child’s play. About this, I have no doubt.

I disagree with Senator McCain on a number of issues, as you know. But I agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be successful in Iraq, on finding and executing Osama bin Laden, and on eliminating Al Qaeda and terror. If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mitt-romney-is-leaving-presidential-race#comment-102638

Romney said he believes that retreating from Iraq would mean attacks on America, "About this, I have no doubt."
What does HE know that we don't know?
What convinced him that retreat would mean attacks on America?

So connect these dots.. the NIE was WRONG as admitted to by the man who made the statement that Tehran has halted its nuke program and they NOW say they have HIGH confidence that Iran is keeping its options open and "Iran has the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons." The MI5 says there is a Hiroshima being planned. Mr. McConnell further states that, quote, "Al Qaeda is improving its ability to attack within the United States by recruiting and training new operatives. At the same time, he said, a terrorist group in Iraq that claims allegiance to Al Qaeda is beginning to send militants to other countries." And Mr. Romney says he has no doubt if we withdraw from Iraq it will mean attacks on American soil.

Connecting these dots, then.. where are we standing?

Could it possibly be true that Ahmadinejad really thinks this statement of his is true when he said:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "We Will Soon Experience A World Without The United States And Zionism."

AHMADINEJAD: "Undoubtedly, I say that this slogan and goal is achievable, and with the support and power of God, we will soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism and will breathe in the brilliant time of Islamic sovereignty over today's world." (Iran's President Warns Muslims Of 'Conspiracies Of World Imperialism,' Available At: www.sharifnews.com, Accessed 10/26/05)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/what-the-terrorists-want-in-their-own-words

If he thinks it achievable.. HOW, do you think he would go about that?

The Sunday Times of London, quoting unnamed Iranian officials, reported Iran had 40,000 trained suicide bombers prepared to strike western targets..

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2005/07/iraqi_dinar_dis_2.html#120777

Would that have any significance to his claim?

Do you remember the quote from Iran, QUOTE:

"The weekly’s interview with Jaafari appeared under the title, “Commander of Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison: Let America and Israel know, each of our suicide volunteers equals a nuclear bomb”.“One of our garrison’s aims is to spot martyrdom-seeking individuals in society and then recruit and organise them, so that, God willing, at the right moment when the Commander-in-Chief of the country’s armed forces [Ayatollah Khamenei] gives the order, they would be able to enter the scene and carry out their missions”...

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2945

And what about James Woolsey, former director of the United States Central Intelligence Agency, in his statements that,
QUOTE:

As a former director of the world’s largest intelligence agency, Woolsey dismissed claims by Iran and its apologists that the Islamic Republic seeks nuclear capability for peaceful means.

“With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”

Woolsey displayed in-depth knowledge of the various theological movements and streams vying for the soul of the Islamic world. “The Ujutiya – end of time – movement represents a major part of Iranian politics today,” he warned. “If we look at it like a chess game, the nuclear bomb is the queen.”

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2008/01/iraqidinardiscu.html#133545

Any dots there to connect in a pattern to what is happening in the Middle East and Iraq?

Ahmadinejad said Wed Jan 30, 2008:

"The Iranian nation.. has today ... set up the complete cycle of fuel production."

and said also that "Iran sees nuclear power this time next year"

in light of Mr. Woolsey's comments.. what does this actually mean?

http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2008/01/iraqidinardiscu.html#133553

On Feb 8 I quoted a senior U.S. State Department official saying that Iran has been continuing to support the insurgents in Iraq to fight against the U.S.-led coalition troops in the country. Quote: ""Iran remains lethally engaged in terms of providing training and equipment to the most radical and the most violent forces in Iraq." They are fighting the US forces now in Iraq.

Do these "dots" show that in addition to targeting the US forces in Iraq, the Iranians and their allies are aiming at the heartland of America and seeking nuclear weapons to detonate on US soil (MI5 - Hiroshima, etc)?

What about their getting nukes..??

Did you see the post yesterday? What does this mean?

U.S. Official: Iran Operating Newer, More Advanced Nuclear Centrifuge
Friday, February 08, 2008
By James Rosen

WASHINGTON — Iran is operating a newer, more advanced centrifuge at the country's Pilot Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz, a State Department official who works on arms control and WMD issues has confirmed to FOX News.

Previously, Iran has been known to be operating P-1 centrifuges, a 1970s-era model; however, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has made some unverifiable boasts about experimentation with the P-2: The newer, faster model developed by Pakistan and sold on the black market ..

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, was expected to issue its latest report on the status of the Iranian nuclear program around Feb. 20, and will almost certainly provide more information about Iran's work with centrifuges.

Such a report by Director General Mohamed ElBaradei would have the effect, like his past reports, of complicating U.S. efforts to rally the international community to take decisive action to halt Iran's uranium enrichment.

==end quote==

I have to ask you... how long will the US let its security policies be dictated by Mohamed at the UN - complicating the securing of the homeland of America from attack?
Until the Iranians have attacked and many millions of Americans lie dead?
All so we stay PC in the eyes of the skeptical world, right?

==

Soooo.. to connect these dots for you as it relates to the Iraqi Dinar RV.
I think the RV is not happening because of Iran.
Iran has said they are going to attack and destroy America and Israel, and they are seeking nuclear arms to do so.
I believe that they have also explained to their neighbors that if they are successful in this, they will be looking closely at who is aligned with them next.
This is why the Middle Eastern nations are also arming themselves to the teeth, just in case they get targeted next.
So Iraq is not RVing because that is cooperating with Iran's enemies.. and Iran is definitely not being stopped.
Why align yourself openly with America when Iran is telling you they will go after you next if you do and they are obtaining nuclear arms?

Actually, Iran is feeding the unrest in Iraq, and is a very real threat to Iraqi security.
When they have their meetings face to face.. what do you think they discuss? The weather?
Everyone knows that Iran has nuclear weapon ambitions and what those nukes are going to be used for.
Chances are the USA and Israel top the agenda of their talks together...
along with Iran's nuclear ambitions and what they intend to do to us.
It certainly is on our minds.. why would it not be on theirs? What do you think Iran says to them? Perhaps..
Stand out of the way and see if we can achieve our goal and wipe Israel off the map and destroy the USA with our nukes?
Don't do anything to align yourself with them (and certainly don't RV which would cause them to prosper)?

The Iranians are dead set they are going after the US and Israel, even if the Western media don't tell us much about it..
nor connect the dots.

I saw some very connected dots once, remember? (vision)
I am waiting for that to change, or the timeline to catch up.
So far it has not yet changed.. and that is - at this time - the inevitable future.
Can you see that it is the plan of Iran?
Can you see it is what they are planning if you connect the dots and read between the lines?
Don't be fooled by the now discounted NIE which once upon a time had the fairy tale story that Iran is no nuclear threat to the world.

Remember Mr. Woolsey's admonition that Iran is not seeking fuel but weapons. His statement:

With its huge oil and natural gas reserves, Iran is not the least bit interested in nuclear power,” he said. “And negotiation with a movement that defines itself by its goal of the destruction of Israel and the United States is like trying to persuade Hitler to give up anti-Semitism.”

should ring in your mind as true rather than the platitudes and falsehoods touted in the MSM.
The fact is, the MSM just retracted its statements with a soft backpedal of, quote:

The New York Sun reported on the 7th that maybe "Iran halted its nuclear weapons program" is a claim that is a bit over blown.

Talk about an understatement!
They got it wrong, you know... and you know whose safety it concerns, don't you? YOURS.
Shouldn't we be a mite concerned?
Have we forgotten?

As I said to Roger, "As for your saying talk about attacking Iran of it being not a matter of IF but WHEN, being wrong.. I can only say that confronting the threat of Hitler was necessary to our continued existence and freedom. I wish confronting evil was not necessary because the evil would stop being evil. But just like Hitler, there comes a time when men (by the help of God) must stop an evil force. I believe that the US will be forced into war with Iran eventually. It is only a matter of time. In other words.. the US does not want it, but they will HAVE TO do it.. sometime in the future. I believe the US as a country prefers peace and not war, too - as do you and I. Just as the world did not want war with Hitler in World War II. History repeats itself. The Iranians stand now as a threat we will have to confront sooner or later. They are not backing down. It is best we confront them carefully and with the least civilian casualties.. but thoroughly. Or it will become another world war, pulling in the entire region, and then the entire world."

Your thoughts? Carl, Roger, Rob N, Carole.. ???

Sara.

-- February 9, 2008 3:51 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Sara and all,

Connecting the dots does not necessarily add up in the manner that you have described. I believe it is certain that Iran's President is trying to provoke a war with the U.S. Iran views the USA as weak due to the massive debts the USA has incurred. Our diplomates are very much aware of Iran's calculations.

However, Iran is playing another game. They have calculated that the U.S. may actually win this war. Therefore, they have invested in Iraq to make a profit from money and also to obtain political "that a boys" from the Iraqi's. Doing these items does not cost Iran anything.

Iran knows that the USA has spent itself into massive debts and therefore Iran believes that this debt and lack of manpower will prevent the USA from starting a new war with them. They are betting that they are going to get away with Uranium enrichment due to these factors.

Another factor that Iran is banking on is that Bush is in a very tight spot politically due to the election. If Bush attacks Iran in an election year, the Republican's may lose this election... as this action is probably going to mean the re-institution of the draft and this is probably not going to set very well with many American's.

Leaving the discussion of the Iranians, the Iraq stock market is very vulernable to volence due to the stock market not being on the internet banking/trading as of yet. This is due to members of the stock market needing to be present at the market due to paper trading. Volence as a factor does not help the Iraqi stock market locally. Once, Iraq's stock market is on-line, members of the exchange may not have to be a vulernable to this factor.

We will have to see how volence in Iraq proceeds. However, US military and the Iraqi's themselves are working on keeping this country volence free. Sadr maybe a factor. However, if he breaks his cease fire, the US will take him and his fighters out. His breaking his cease fire would be calculated.

For now, Iraq is a wait and see situation.

Laura Parker

-- February 9, 2008 10:45 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Sara and all,

Connecting the dots does not necessarily add up in the manner that you have described. I believe it is certain that Iran's President is trying to provoke a war with the U.S. Iran views the USA as weak due to the massive debts the USA has incurred. Our diplomates are very much aware of Iran's calculations.

However, Iran is playing another game. They have calculated that the U.S. may actually win this war. Therefore, they have invested in Iraq to make a profit from money and also to obtain political "that a boys" from the Iraqi's. Doing these items does not cost Iran anything.

Iran knows that the USA has spent itself into massive debts and therefore Iran believes that this debt and lack of manpower will prevent the USA from starting a new war with them. They are betting that they are going to get away with Uranium enrichment due to these factors.

Another factor that Iran is banking on is that Bush is in a very tight spot politically due to the election. If Bush attacks Iran in an election year, the Republican's may lose this election... as this action is probably going to mean the re-institution of the draft and this is probably not going to set very well with many American's.

Leaving the discussion of the Iranians, the Iraq stock market is very vulernable to volence due to the stock market not being on the internet banking/trading as of yet. This is due to members of the stock market needing to be present at the market due to paper trading. Volence as a factor does not help the Iraqi stock market locally. Once, Iraq's stock market is on-line, members of the exchange may not have to be a vulernable to this factor.

We will have to see how volence in Iraq proceeds. However, US military and the Iraqi's themselves are working on keeping this country volence free. Sadr maybe a factor. However, if he breaks his cease fire, the US will take him and his fighters out. His breaking his cease fire would be calculated.

For now, Iraq is a wait and see situation.

Laura Parker

-- February 9, 2008 10:49 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Sorry about double posts.

Roger,

If you are around, can you let me know your e-mail.

Laura Parker

-- February 9, 2008 10:53 PM


Roger wrote:

Laura p ,

Sorry I don't like to give out my e-mail over a blog site, and will not do it that way. How have you been doing by the way.

Are still doing the hops before I leave, they give me more and more hops.

Sara,

Funny how life evolves. As as sit here, I did just clean my hands after developing, and installed a hydrogen fuel cell for my vehicle. Yes I run on water, well you have to split the water molecules first. (No need to pay thousands, I did mine for less than $20) And the Iranians on their part also proudly tells about their technological progress, and are getting into more efficient uranium centrifuges.

More U235 and U238 separated, faster and more efficient.

Wow are they getting their main ingredients for their bomb by the load now or what.

Sara, you have got the whole thing down pretty good I must say, there is one nagging thing though that are left on the table, Laura had the in cling.

Assume the Iranians think this is a war that they will lose, then why have the war in the first place.

Well they just may have the war anyway , knowing that they can leave so much damage left behind them, that even if they lose, their objectives of getting rid of the devil or whatever they think, may have a chance of being full filled. If they themselves will die in the process, well so much better, they will be richly rewarded in the heavens.

So in their views, even if the war in itself is a known loser for them, their objectives will be fulfilled and therefore a losing war might very well be feasible for them.

Ok, so what will they do, well, they have two basic enemies, Israel, and the US.

Technologically they are no match for either Israel or the US.

Guidance systems, delivery systems, surveillance systems, communications system, all is so overwhelmingly superior to the Iranians, and it doesn't really matter if they get modernized from Russia, they still will be two or most probably three generations behind.

The Iranian missile system can not be counted on having GPS support, GPS will be shut down, distorted or miss informed, as it is controlled by the US.

So if they send their missiles, the guidance system can be counted on having about the same technology as the famous SCUDS during the first Gulf war, they might have been refined, but they will be far from anything that can be called precision weapons.

The defence against missiles have come pretty far since the Gulf War, and even then the Patriot missiles did a pretty good job. You can bet that every Patriot shot that had been fired during that campaign have been recorded and gone over and over again, any and all possible computer glitch have been looked upon, any slow response from a servo, any slow input to a computer, any program that didn't perform, all if it have been gone over and over and fixed to perfection.

SCUDS were raining over Israel and Saudi Arabia.

THAT was a very very good field lesson, and now, almost 20 years later, it is very very doubtful that ONE SCUD or similar missile will have a chance to even get through.

The Iranians may be influenced by evil characters, but in the same way as many had an idea that the Germans were stupid, they were not, and the Iranians will be the same way, they might be a lot of things, but don't confuse evil with low intelligence.

So if you want to destroy Israel and the US, knowing that conventional warfare will be a loser, would you send missiles, airplanes, subs or similar weapons against them?

Probably they would unleash them in the dying gasp, just to throw out and use what they have, but the initial blow would not be an open campaign.

The enriched Uranium, highly radioactive, and hard worked for, would be wasted in an open missile attack, as well as bombers, or other openly aggressive vehicles.

The only chance Iran is of doing as much damage as possible would be to do ONE damaging blow, secretly set up secretly planted and secretly executed.

The highly radioactive materiel doesn't necessarily have to be in the form of an atomic bomb, with a warhead of a couple of kilos of enriched Uranium in each one of them.

Enough agents, moles, or terrorists, whatever you want to call them, can be given a smaller amount of radioactive materiel, and select a couple of pre selected areas, where they will spread the substance.

This can be done either by a small explosive, as long as they get a dust cloud that will blow over a town, or just a canister with the material, poisoning some key water reservoirs. Set some off in the subway, and a couple of other spots.

Enough cleverness, and it can be days before the event have been detected, and by that time, the radioactive burns are starting to overwhelm hospitals.

Set a couple of ports out of action, the container ports are well known and is a bloodline to the US.

That is how you can do damage with that Uranium they(the Iranians) are enriching, and it would be much more cost effective, if you only have a limited amount, rather than take your chances in a missile and spend perhaps a couple of kilos of hard earned, hard worked for, Uranium.

So, as the Al qaeda are busy seeing what weak spots there are in the airline industry, the Iranians are for sure busy looking for ways to import the Uranium here, smuggled, or sent with false papers, or whatever, it doesn't matter, they are for sure looking at ways.

There are a fleet of sailors going between the Caribbean Islands back and forth every year, small private owned sailboats, litter the sea with their white sails, speed boat smugglers already have established routes, about 1500 Mexicans just walk across the border every day. Drug routes , coyote runs, Colombian or south American drug routes, container traffic is very seldom checked, they just roll through the gates very seldom opened until they reach the destination.

I am absolutely convinced that THAT is what the Iranians are looking for.

They have already sponsored terrorism since the end of the -70's and have a delivery net already established, they dont need a missile.

So, lets say this is the most plausible scenario, well we really don't know, but it's not far from the truth, in my humble opinion.

Assume the terrorists are able to pull off this strike, then what.

Well, from this point on, it is the death throws of the Iranian Regime, and they will try to (as Hitler, as Toyo) do as much damage as possible in the death throws.

With a more pragmatic regime in Germany and Japan, it was pretty clear by 1944 that they could not win, and could have ended the war, but they were not pragmatics, unfortunately, so a lot more millions just have to die because of that. Iranians have never been a pragmatic place since the Ayatollas coup in the -70's.

That whole scenario is highly palusible ....that is.....if we let it play out.

I would not let it go that far, and I am more and more worried the longer it goes, that the Iranians are able to one day set their plan in the works.

I rather be an unpopular nation and survive, then be an "understanding" nation and have kids with three arms.

The point is, when is enough, enough. What and where will start the political breaking point.

As long as the UN is meddling the Iranians will just continue to enrich their atomic fuel.

The very very best solution, is a pre-emptive strike. Not just a couple of cruise missiles to "send a message". But a complete destructive attack, that will take out so much of their infra structure together with all their nuclear ability, that afterwards, the Iranians will need a couple of years of finding firewood to keep warm, and living out of Red Cross parcels.

The effect of the attack will unfortunately involve lives, but the targeted attack should be towards infrastructure, so that a functioning society afterwards is close to an impossibility, and then, leave them alone, and let the IRANIANS SORT IT OUT.

Suddenly, they will find themselves in the backwoods of the earth, while the rest of the Arabian countries around them are flourishing and prospering.

The Iranians themselves doesn't have to figure out more , other than the regime that have been in power for so long, have sent them to the place they are now.

This is an instance when we HAVE to be aggressive.

There is no way around it.

I just wonder where is the point when politicians, intelligence estimates, military estimates, public enlightenments, and awareness of the danger, will reach the point that this will be an "ok lets go" attitude amongst us ( the intended victim)

The make/brake point is wonderfully dulled, set aside as a "topic" , argued, and in most parts a denial attitude.

-"There is a hungry Lion in our room, it's showing it's teeth, and it is coming our way, Herbert, don't you want to use your gun?".

-"Well, what if I shoot the Lion and get sued by the PITA organization, lets wait and see how this develops."

-"I said, lets wait and.....oh shit".


-- February 10, 2008 4:11 AM


your nuts wrote:

SARA , I can't believe you just asked the admit to delete something that is off topic. KETTLE calling black , come in black.YOu are the OFF TOPIC queen.

-- February 10, 2008 10:28 AM


Sara wrote:

Thanks for the input Laura and Roger.

Roger, I agree with you about doing a decisive strike then leaving them to sort it out.
Why should any US soldiers have to go onto their soil at all?

I also agree it is better to be unpopular in the world's view than have children with three arms..
and I must admit your joke about the lion coming and worrying about PETA rather than the lion is a very apt/appropriate illustration.

Laura, I agree with you about the Iranians and their allies having put President Bush into a tight spot, hoping he won't do anything this year.. so that by NEXT year they have the enriched uranium they need for their plans. And I agree with what Roger said.. they do have plans. That is all I was pointing out in my "Connect the dots" post.

It does affect the Dinar because Iran is not being stopped. If you have an emerging aggressive nuclear power right next door to you in the Middle East (IRAQ) you don't ally yourself completely with the guys they call their enemies.. it isn't all that prudent, just in case they win or there is a bloody, long, drawn out conflict - you wish to stay as neutral as possible. You simply don't want a nuke to end up detonating on your (Iraqi) soil as a result. This is the real reason the Iraqis are not RVing. Remember Iran is next door and if they choose to take the nukes they produce and send them over the border, they could detonate them on Iraqi soil as well. So the Iraqis are bowing to the Iranians and watching to see how this nuclear arsenal of Iran's will be used.. on WHOM and WHEN.. that is.

It is an ongoing war which will stretch beyond the Presidency of Mr. G.W. Bush. He made some tough choices and kept the country safe under his Administration. Too bad chess games are not as short as checkers.. this one will take longer to complete than the time he had in office.

Sara.
PS Mr. Nuts - you are right that we have discussed off topic discussion from the Dinar here.. everything from physics to a medical clinic.. However, they were from this board's discussion and topic oriented; all I was trying to do was not bring any previous debates/arguments from other boards here, as this is what was the DinarAdmin's concern. Also, DinarAdmin was put in place to stop personal attacks, and this person came on saying they were bringing up some personal grievance against me personally from a previous discussion, so it does violate the terms of service of this board and is within DinarAdmin's jurisdiction, so far as I can see. If it had been a viewpoint, the person could have said they disagree with my view and then told theirs. It is my understanding that differing views are tolerated on this board, but personal attacks are not.

-- February 10, 2008 3:13 PM


Sara wrote:

If they can smuggle in rockets and missiles.. they can smuggle in nuclear weapons once they have them.

Note the statement:

".. this latest move by Tehran "can only be interpreted as indicating an aggressive buildup, by an aggressive regime with an aggressive agenda."

The illustration of an aggressive lion which Roger used appears more true than ever.

Sara.

==

Iran Qods Force infiltrates Iraq
Fri. 08 Feb 2008
By CLAUDE SALHANI (Editor, Middle East Times)

New information was brought to light Thursday revealing "an overwhelming amount of intelligence indicating a political-military buildup by Tehran's mullahs, targeting not just the south, but the heart of Iraq."

This information, collected by the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (also known as the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, or the MeK), was made public by Alireza Jafarzadeh, president of Strategic Policy Consulting, Inc., an outfit based in Washington, D.C. with close ties to the MeK.

According to Jafarzadeh this latest move by Tehran "can only be interpreted as indicating an aggressive buildup, by an aggressive regime with an aggressive agenda."

Iran's plan, according to Jafarzadeh, is to expand its terrorist network in Iraq through the deployment of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' elite units – the Qods Force.

Considered one of the world's most dangerous groups operating in the shadows, the Qods (Jerusalem) Force is reported to have established a regional command headquarters in the western Iranian city of Kermanshah. Located along the Iran-Iraq border, the headquarters is divided into three operational directorates: northern, central and southern.

Each operational sector has been assigned its own border-crossings and arms smuggling networks, and each has been tasked in managing a terror network within its assigned sector in Iraq.

Iranian opposition forces claim the Qods Force command HQ is based in the Kenesht valley in Kermanshah in a base camp known as Velayat-Faqih, and is under the command of a high-ranking Qods Force officer named Haj Amiri. A veteran Qods officer, Amiri was previously assigned to the command of IRGC Brigadier General Reza-Seifollahi, where he managed Badr Corps agents deployed into Iraq during the eight-year Iran-Iraq war.

THE NORTHERN ROUTE FOR WEAPONS SMUGGLING

One of the Qods Force's main tasks is to funnel weapons from Iran to Iraq, according to the resistance opposed to the mullahs in Tehran. Most shipments enter Iraq at the Marivan border crossing. A city in western Iran, Marivan was surrounded with military trenches during the Iran-Iraq war. Mules are used to transport the weapons. In October 2007 about 100 Katyusha rockets were smuggled through this route. On the Iraqi side of the border, individuals belonging to Abu-Jafar al-Boka's network arrive at the location driving tanker trucks filled with water. They load the rockets and transfer them via military roads to Baghdad. To evade inspection at checkpoints, al-Boka uses official papers issued by Iraq's Ministry of Interior.

Weapons transferred through the Marivan passage include Katyusha rockets, explosive packages, TNT, and anti-helicopter surface-to-air missiles.

THE SOUTHERN AXIS

The operational area of the Southern Axis, under the command of Jafar Ansari, extends from Dehloran in Iran to Basra in Iraq.

Dehghan transfers weapons to Iraq via the Hoor-Abdullah passageway. In Iraq, Faez Afshari, based in Basra, receives the weapons and distributes them among the network. The weapons are transported using boats in the afternoon hours, since the border crossing is very idle at that time of day. The smuggling route goes through Hoor-Abdullah to Shalamche and then on to Shatt. Arms shipments also make their way across the Faw passage.

The report goes on to name dozens of individuals whom it accuses of smuggling weapons and carrying out activities against U.S. and other coalition forces in Iraq.

TRAINING CENTERS USED BY QODS COMMAND HQ

Kermanshah's Kenesht Valley

Two bases located about 10 miles from the Kenesht valley and two miles from each other are used for training Iraqis affiliated with the Qods Force, according to the report released by Jafarzadeh. The latest information from the Iranian resistance indicates that nearly 2,000 persons are training in these two bases.

Jalil Abad Base in Varamin near Tehran

The Jalil Abad base is reported to be one of the most active training bases of the Qods Force where recruits undergo training in bomb-making and how to fire rocket propelled grenades, Russian-made Katyusha rockets, as well as surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles. In August 2007, nearly 300 Iraqis from Abu-Mehdi Mohandes' network crossed into Iran along the southern border and were transferred to Jalil Abad Base. They were still there in early October 2007.

According to the same sources, Iran's Qods Force have agents operating from the Iranian Embassy in Baghdad.

The list of accusations and finger-pointing is indeed a long one. Independent confirmation of the individuals named by the Iranian resistance as belonging to Iran's Qods Force has not been possible and therefore many names have been kept out of this report. While it remains impossible to independently confirm this latest report, previous intelligence provided by the MeK has proven accurate. It was the MeK that exposed Iran's clandestine nuclear weapons program by revealing the nuclear sites in Natanz and Arak in 2002.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=14110

-- February 10, 2008 4:14 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Sara,

A sobering news report on Iran's Qoms and their command posts. US military, I am sure are aware of the actions of the Iranians.

However, (unless we are in an all out war in Iraq with the Iranians) we are still left with a wait and see equation of what President Bush will do about the Iranian threat of the nuke situation this year.

All we can do is pray about it.

Laura Parker

-- February 10, 2008 4:36 PM


Revoir wrote:

Not to get off subject, but what is the latest Dinar to USD value? I have not seen a quote lately.

-- February 10, 2008 6:16 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Revoir,

Traderdinar is reporting it as 1208 dinars to 1 USD.

Laura Parker

-- February 10, 2008 8:10 PM


Laura Parker wrote:

Roger,

Please e-mail me at LLPParker at Aol.Com and I can get your mailing address then.

I also thought you might be interested in Iraq Business News from: Updates at developmentprogram.org site. Another address of interest: (same as before) with /idp/events/ics/index.html for an interesting event.

Laura Parker

-- February 10, 2008 9:38 PM


NEIL wrote:

Sara:

Your recent medical post were great and took a lot of research on your part. My thanks to you for this valuable information and please don't let the disparaging remarks from some non-contributing doo-doo
dampen your spirit.

Roger: You caught my eye with the short blurb about hydrogen power cells. If this is authentic, please tell us more about this magnificant breakthrough. I was recently approached by a man whom I consider to be a schiester, but he had a plan to generate power with water
and explained it in a way that made it sound feasible but I knew that anyone who could run vehicles with water would be an instant trillianaire so I dismissed his plan as a hoax.

You amaze me with your knowledge of so many subjects so please tell us what you know about the hydrogen cell.

NEIL

-- February 10, 2008 11:04 PM


Sara wrote:

Thank you, Neil, that you found my post encouraging and useful.
Your kind and encouraging words were a blessing to me, I do appreciate it.

Laura - I thought of your post when I read this article today:

McCain a 'True Conservative,' Bush Says
Feb 10 08:36 AP

WASHINGTON (AP) - John McCain is a "true conservative," President Bush says..

McCain "is very strong on national defense," Bush said in an interview taped for airing on "Fox News Sunday." "He is tough fiscally. He believes the tax cuts ought to be permanent. He is pro-life. His principles are sound and solid as far as I'm concerned."

_On Iran: "I feel pretty good about making sure that we keep the pressure on Iran. To pressure them so that they understand they're isolated. To pressure them to affect their economy. To pressure them to the point where we hope somebody rational shows up and says, OK, it's not worth it anymore."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UNFSRO0&show_article=1

===

Laura - To me, this says President Bush is looking toward the future and recognises that McCain (if chosen to lead the GOP ticket) will take over the national defense portfolio and manage it well. Others have also said McCain would make a good commander-in-chief. This quality is very important as wrong moves on security could cost a lot of American lives.

About Iran, President Bush appears to feel that diplomatic pressure is enough right now. Obviously, that may change if Iran makes preemptive moves to attack Israel, etc. Certainly, Iran could choose to use a proxy to do that.. and I post here a note from two days ago about Iran helping Syria to arm with missiles which can "strike Israel repeatedly for a sustained period of time"..

QUOTE:

Iran helps Syria improve missiles
Upgraded Zelzal can target Israel's international airport
February 08, 2008
By Aaron Klein, WND

JERUSALEM – Iran recently aided Syria in improving a missile capable of better targeting Israeli installations, including military bases and the country's international airport, according to Israeli intelligence briefings this week provided to top Knesset members.

The lawmakers were also told Syria has greatly accelerated its acquisition of missiles and arms, including anti-tank, anti-aircraft and ballistic targeting missiles.

The briefing follows a WND exclusive report yesterday quoting Israeli and Jordanian defense sources stating Syria, aided by Russia and Iran, in recent months has been furiously acquiring rockets and missiles, including projectiles capable of hitting the entire state of Israel. The officials listed anti-tank, anti-aircraft and ballistic missiles as some of the arms procured by Syria.

Knesset members were told Iran worked with Syria to improve the Iranian Zelzal missile, which has a range of about 155 miles and is considered one of the most accurate projectiles in Syria's arsenal.

The move comes amid reports of Syria's stepped-up pace of acquiring arms.

A Jordanian security official said one of the main reasons Damascus did not retaliate after Israel carried out its Sept. 6 air strike inside Syria allegedly targeting a nascent nuclear facility was because Syria's rocket infrastructure was not yet complete.

The official said that after the Israeli air strike, Syria picked up the pace of acquiring rockets and missiles, largely from Russia with Iranian backing, with the goal of completing its missile and rocket arsenal by the end of the year. The Jordanian official said Syria is aiming to possess the capacity to fire more than 100 rockets into Israel per hour for a sustained period of time.

"The Syrians have three main goals: to maximize their anti-tank, anti-aircraft and ballistic missile and rocket capabilities," explained the Jordanian official.

According to Israeli and Jordanian officials, Syria recently quietly struck a deal with Russia that allows Moscow to station submarines and war boats off Syrian ports. In exchange, Russia is supplying Syria with weaponry at lower costs, with some of the missiles and rockets being financed by Iran.

"The Iranians opened an extended credit line with Russia for Syria with the purpose of arming Syria," said one Jordanian security official.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55890

Certainly this depicts a war stance... and aims toward no good.

Sara.

-- February 11, 2008 12:20 AM


Sara wrote:

Roger - I, too, would be interested in the fuel cell you installed and how it works, if you have the time to explain it to us, please.

Sara.

-- February 11, 2008 12:26 AM


SamsonGold wrote:

Roger -- Any fuel cell info is greatly appreciated. Also, any links to good info.

-- February 11, 2008 1:08 AM


Sara wrote:

US to seek justice over 9/11 attacks
Tuesday Feb 12 2008

US military prosecutors will file charges today against the alleged mastermind of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks and five other Guantanamo prisoners and will seek to execute them if they are convicted, officials involved in the process said.

The charges against former al-Qaeda operations chief Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and five other captives will be announced in a news conference at the Pentagon at 0300 (AEDT).

They will be the first charges from the Guantanamo war court alleging direct involvement in the attacks and the first involving the death penalty.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=378487

-- February 11, 2008 9:49 AM


Sara wrote:

Russia forgives $12 bln Iraq debt: report
11/02/2008

MOSCOW (AFP) - Russia on Monday forgave Iraq's 12.9-billion-dollar debt, which dates back to the Soviet era, and expressed hope for a rise in investment in the war-torn country, ITAR-TASS news agency reported, quoting Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin.

The amount written off came to 93 percent of the total owed by Baghdad to Moscow, Interfax news agency reported.

http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/080211115601.wltmpvsl.html

-- February 11, 2008 10:07 AM


Sara wrote:

Russian firms to invest $4 bln in Iraq in debt deal
Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:29 AM GMT

MOSCOW, Feb 11 (Reuters) - Russian oil firms will be allowed to invest $4 billion in Iraq under a new cooperation memorandum, Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin said on Monday, after his ministry wrote off most of Iraq's debt.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=oilRpt&storyID=2008-02-11T112951Z_01_L11143555_RTRIDST_0_RUSSIA-IRAQ-DEALS.XML

-- February 11, 2008 10:15 AM


Sara wrote:

U.S. Military Says Seized Docs Show Al Qaeda in Iraq Is Weakened
Sunday, February 10, 2008
AP

BAGHDAD — A diary and another document seized during U.S. raids show some Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders fear the terror group is crumbling, with many fighters defecting to American-backed neighborhood groups, the U.S. military said Sunday.

In the Anbar document, the author describes an Al Qaeda in crisis, with citizens growing weary of militants' presence and foreign fighters too eager to participate in suicide missions rather than continuing to fight, said Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a U.S. military spokesman.

"We lost cities and afterward, villages... We find ourselves in a wasteland desert," Smith quoted the document as saying.

The memo — believed to have been written in summer 2007 — cites militants' increasing difficulty in moving around and transporting weapons and suicide belts because of better equipped Iraqi police and more watchful citizens, Smith said.

He said the documents are believed to be authentic, Smith said, because they contain details that only Al Qaeda in Iraq leaders could know about battlefield movements and tactics.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330235,00.html

-- February 11, 2008 10:45 AM


Sara wrote:

Medical clinic substantiation:

Study: Artificial Sweeteners Increase Weight Gain Odds
Feb. 11, 2008

Calorie-conscious consumers who opt for diet sodas may gain more weight than if they drank sugary drinks because of artificial sweeteners contained in the diet sodas, according to a new study.

A Purdue University study released Sunday in the journal Behavioral Neuroscience reported that rats on diets containing the artificial sweetener saccharin gained more weight than rats given sugary food, casting doubt on the benefits of low-calorie sweeteners.

"There's something about diet foods that changes your metabolic limit, your brain chemistry," said ABC News' medical contributor Dr. Marie Savard.

Though Savard said more research needs to be done to uncover more information, the study does hint at the idea that the sweeteners alter a person's metabolism.

Savard said another recent study, which included more than 18,000 people, found healthy adults who consumed at least one diet drink a day could increase their chance for weight gain.

In the Purdue study, the rats whose diets contained artificial sweeteners appeared to experience a physiological connection between sweet tastes and calories, which drove them to overeat.

"The taste buds taste sweet, but there's no calorie load that comes with it. There's a mismatch here. It seems it changes your brain chemistry in some way," Savard said. "Anything you put in your mouth, your body has a strong reaction to it. It's much more than counting calories. It seems normally with sweet foods that we rev up our metabolism."

The information may come as a surprise to the 59 percent of Americans who consume diet soft drinks, making them the the second-most-popular low-calorie, sugar-free products in the nation, according to a consumer survey from the Calorie Control Council, a nonprofit association that represents the low-calorie and reduced-fat food and beverage industry.

Because so many foods today contain artificial sweeteners, the study results may go beyond diet drinks.

"The truth is, we're putting artificial sweetener in so many different things in water, in yogurt," Savard said. It's unclear if the results only adhere to diet sodas, she said.

"We have to rethink what this artificial stuff does to us. If we put this in water it might not be so good," she added.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4271246&page=1

===

NOTE that they are putting this in WATER.. can you believe it?
And they know it causes a METABOLIC change.. a real demonstrated change in the lab with rats.

I think they are getting warm with that "There's something about diet foods that changes your metabolic limit, your brain chemistry,"...

I suggest that it is destroying the hypothalmus gland and doing permanent organ damage.

QUOTE: "rats whose diets contained artificial sweeteners appeared to experience a physiological connection..''

I wish they would kill a few rats and check their hypothalmus glands..
maybe they might try to protect the public health if they were on the right track instead of the wrong one.

I guess by the time they figure that out we will have yet another "epidemic" on our hands, though.
I hope the next one doesn't look like ebola, or massive organ failure..
instead of these rather "ordinary" ones we have now of early onset of puberty at the age of 5, diabetes, sleep deprivation and obesity.

Sara.

-- February 11, 2008 3:32 PM


Sara wrote:

U.S. Army: Al-Qaida fleeing northern Iraq
Published: Feb. 11, 2008

BAQUBAH, Iraq, Feb. 11 (UPI) -- The resolve of local Iraqi citizens and the surge in military operations in northern Iraq drove al-Qaida fighters out of the region, a military official said.

U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Mark Hertling, who commands U.S. military operations in the northern Iraqi provinces, said his forces are turning security operations over to Iraqi forces in "droves" as the security situation improves, the American Forces Press Service said Monday.

Hertling said al-Qaida and other foreign combatants returned to Syria or other neighboring countries, bringing their financial support with them. Others, he said, are trying to restructure their operations along the borders of Iraq, but military forces arrested several of those militants in border raids.

Many militants are hiding out in desert areas for fear of being turned into the U.S.-led forces by local Iraqi citizens, Hertling said.

Hertling said the number of al-Qaida operatives in the region is down and attacks are relatively static.

Diyala province opened several markets amid the increased security, Hertling said.

The increased capability of the Iraqi security forces as well as joint military bases housing U.S. and Iraqi forces made a big impact on the security gains in the region, he said.

http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Briefing/2008/02/11/us_army_al-qaida_fleeing_northern_iraq/2890/

-- February 11, 2008 6:19 PM


Sara wrote:

On the lighter side concerning Global Warming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFTm6cJXM

-- February 11, 2008 7:15 PM


Sara wrote:

Valerio and board;

I have kept my opinion on the race for President to myself..
but now I have the peace of God to disclose it.
President Bush thinks Mr. McCain is the lesser of the three evils - I suppose he is right.
In a contest between Hillary, Obama and McCain, he is the lesser of the three evils..
but he is still an evil, not a good.

I think I have documented fairly straight forwardly that it is has been the intent of Iran to attack the US -
with nukes once they have them.. it relates, give me a minute to explain to you how.

The Lord has continually told me He is putting a Democrat into the Whitehouse..
and no, not Hillary Clinton NOR Barak Obama.. soo.. who could that leave?
Only McCain.. who says he is a Republican but is not.

Then, after a time, the Lord told me directly that He will make McCain the next President of the United States.
McCain will be President.
How then could His first statement that He is putting a Democrat in power be true?
When I read this today it came together for me.

QUOTE:

===

From WorldNet Daily.com

Looks like someone wins no matter which of the three front-runners win their nominations or get elected…

John McCain funded by Soros since 2001
Candidate’s Reform Institute also accepted funds from Teresa Kerry
Posted: February 12, 2008
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

As Sen. John McCain assumes the GOP front-runner mantle, his long-standing, but little-noticed association with left-wing donors such as George Soros and Teresa Heinz Kerry is receiving new attention among his Republican critics.

In 2001, McCain founded the Alexandria, Va.-based Reform Institute as a vehicle to receive funding from George Soros’ Open Society Institute and Teresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation and several other prominent non-profit organizations.

McCain used the institute to promote his political agenda and provide compensation to key campaign operatives between elections.

In 2006, the Arizona senator was forced to sever his formal ties with the Reform Institute after a controversial $200,000 contribution from Cablevision came to light. McCain solicited the donation for the Reform Institute using his membership on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. In a letter to the Federal Communications Commission, he supported Cablevision’s push to introduce the more profitable al la carte pricing, rather than packages of TV programming.

Yet, the Reform Institute still employs the McCain campaign’s Hispanic outreach director, Juan Hernandez, as a senior fellow of its Comprehensive Immigration Reform Initiative.

As WND reported, Hernandez serves as a non-paid volunteer for the McCain campaign. A dual Mexican-U.S. citizen, he was a member of former President Vicente Fox’s cabinet, representing an estimate 24 million Mexicans living abroad. Hernandez, with a “Mexico first” message, has argued aggressively against building a fence on the Mexican border, insisting the frontier needed to remain wide open so illegal immigrants could easily enter the U.S.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177

I’m not a big fan of WND’s often scare-mongering version of journalism, but frequently they do get it right. If McCain is being funded by Soros, then he’s a worse choice than people had previously believed. In my opinion, this needs to be looked into by the blogosphere and then made as widely known as possible. Michelle Malkin has done work to that end, but she’s not been getting airtime on Fox News much anymore…and I doubt they’d deem this as newsworthy, anyway.

If this is indeed factual, it shows McCain is utterly untrustworthy, as well as that he is owned by an enemy of the United States. Not a good thing for a former commissioned officer.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/other-news-for-the-week-of-feb-9-feb-15#comment-103072

==end quote==

I agree.. I am also not a great fan of WND's coverage and version of journalism.. but frequently they do get it right.
(I believe this is so with their coverage of Syria receiving weapons and arms with funding from Iran.)
They got it right with this story. McCain is truly a Democrat in sheep's clothing - though still the best choice of the three.
He will win the Whitehouse, and he is owned by the Democrats, not the GOP.
"Not a good thing for a former commissioned officer".. true.
And not a good thing for America.

The fact is, God is handing the country over to be judged and attacked by her enemy.
He is going to lift His hand, as I saw it in the vision I was given.
America has rejected Him.. they have also rejected President Bush who is a true conservative.
They repudiate all the President has stood for and inasmuch as they do so to the least of His brethren..
they do so unto Christ, you know. They reject God's hand, God's protection, God's direction for the nation.
So they will have Him lift it from them and give them a man after their own stubborn hearts.

Now America will get the sham conservative they wished for.. who will cowtow to the left like they want..
and the enemy gets to take a potshot at the homeland as God lifts His hand and allows it.

And it will cost millions of lives.. only then will America come to her knees and truly turn to God and repent.
Those objecting to that statement will likely find themselves directly under the bombs and won't be around to object any more.
Or they will be outnumbered by those of us who are left who want God on our side badly enough to pray and seek His return..
begging Him for the protection His hand alone can give a nation in its hour of great need when under attack.

It is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
God is about to rewrite the map of the world. This era we have known is about to come to an end.
Thank you to the good soldiers and souls who have sacrificed so much so that we may have a little longer of peace under President Bush.
So sorry, folks.. and Valerio.. that is why I could not say so earlier. I knew Huckabee is the "right" alternative..
but he won't get in if there is a general election with his name on it because the people are too stubborn against God, so he won't be President.

McCain is going to be President... and then God will lift His hand and allow the enemy to attack on US soil.
It is the inevitable future.. there is no way to stop it, so far as I can tell.
He has now removed any and all possibility that there could be a good (conservative) outcome to the election.

Its true that God knows what attack our lives have been under.. the "medical clinic" I posted on...
and He has been merciful to America and taken much into consideration because of it.
But He still holds sick people accountable for their actions, and the actions have been inexcusable.
He will now use the heathen to chastise His own.. not to destroy America (though, like 9/11 it will sure look like it),
but to bring her back to Himself.
As He said to me, "They will turn back to Me."
Remember Job.. "Though He slay me, yet shall I trust Him."
America is going to need that counsel very soon.. only by turning to absolute trust in God will America be able to repel the attackers.
It is about to look like a victory for terrorist Islam.. but when America turns to God, God will hand America the victory she needs in her hour of prayer.
It is sad it has to come to this.. but God will do what He feels is necessary.
Soon.

Remember that God does not think as a man..

Isa 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, says the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.

His way will seem hard for a time, the sacrifice of American lives so awful..
but I believe He wills our good in the end of it.
For His Glory.

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His Kingdom Come.
His will be done, on earth as in heaven,
even if it hurts.

Sara.

-- February 12, 2008 2:19 AM


Sara wrote:

Embattled Muslim aide to leave Pentagon job
Hesham Islam's 'resume didn't add up,' official says
Posted: February 11, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

In a stunning turn of events, a high-level Muslim military aide blamed for costing an intelligence contractor his job will step down from his own Pentagon post, WND has learned.

Meanwhile, his rival, Maj. Stephen Coughlin, a leading authority on Islamic war doctrine, may stay in the Pentagon, moving from the office of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the office of the secretary of defense. However, sources say a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey is trying to block his new contract.

The top Pentagon aide, Egyptian-born Hesham H. Islam, came under a cloud of suspicion after reports raised doubt about his resume and contacts he had made with radical Muslims. He is expected to leave the government next month, officials say.

As WND previously reported, FBI officials believe Islam is involved with the U.S. branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and is helping its front groups run "influence operations" against the U.S. government.

"He's a Muslim brother," an FBI official told WND. "He's a bad actor, and he's made other unreported nefarious contacts."

Islam has worked closely in the Pentagon with Muslim chaplain Abuhena M. Saifulislam, who as WND also previously reported, received his training at a radical Islamic school in Northern Virginia that was raided by federal authorities after 9/11.

Islam, whose son is active in the military, obtained one of the highest security clearances for classified information. Sources confirm he has sat in on Pentagon meetings in which intelligence clearance was restricted at the Top Secret/SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information) level.

The Pentagon had no comment. And Islam, who has not been accused of any crimes, has refused interviews.

Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., who co-chairs the House Anti-Terrorism Caucus, has been fighting to keep Coughlin in the Pentagon, where she says his blunt analysis of the Islamic enemy is sorely needed.

Citing federal court documents introduced as evidence in a recent major terror case, she also warns that U.S. front groups for the Muslim Brotherhood are conspiring to destroy America from within.

"Our enemies have clearly stated their intention to infiltrate us, much like the Russians did during the Cold war," Myrick said. "We had no problem analyzing and acting on that information then."

"I know that some people will refuse to admit there is a subversive movement going on here, but let me remind you that we have underestimated the will and capability of our enemy for more than 30 years," she added. "They are patient and determined to achieve their radical agenda."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56110

-- February 12, 2008 2:32 AM


Anonymous wrote:

Ozymandias
by Percy Bysshe Shelley
[composed December 27 1817 during a sonnet-writing competition; published 1818]

I met a traveller from an antique land,

Who said--"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone

Stand in the desert....Near them, on the sand,

Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,

Tell that its sculptor well those passions read

Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,

The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal, these words appear:

My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay

Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare

The lone and level sands stretch far away."

http://www.rc.umd.edu/rchs/ozy.htm

-- February 12, 2008 11:59 AM


Anonymous wrote:

Iraq Is Not the Worry
It is surrender and self-destruction at home.
By Victor Davis Hanson
February 12, 2008 6:00 AM

General David Petraeus — a sort of combination of Fabius Maximus (“unus homo…”) and Matthew Ridgway — has changed the entire Iraqi war, and thereby given us a breathing spell to reflect on our longer-term strategies of victory.

Most of the conventional pessimism about Iraq is being proven wrong. For example, the recently translated captured diary of the dead al-Qaeda terrorist — Abu Maysara, a senior adviser to Abu Ayyoub al-Masri — reveals a sort of hopelessness. The dead Maysara laments that al-Qaeda has lost the hearts and minds of the people to the U.S. and its Iraqi allies, while suffering terrible battlefield losses. Abu Maysara did not write as some civilian defeatist, the equivalent of our own Moveon.org antiwar protesters. He was instead a frontline fighter, once confident of victory in the field, but realistically broken by defeat — before he was killed.

For all the Western gloom, the forces trying to break up Iraq are not as strong as the fears of seeing it so trisected. Federal Iraq has survived Iranian subterfuge, the House of Saud terrorist subsidies, Turkish invasion, and Kurdish nationalism — and is still there. It won’t be quite Kansas, but the Iraqi state has a good chance to evolve into something no more violent than the usual Middle Eastern state, but without either murderous dictators or theocrats — or, of course, the genocidal murderer Saddam Hussein.

The combination of new American tactics, the surge, shared fear of Iran, vast oil revenues, sheer attrition of jihadists over the last five years, and growing Iraqi hatred of Wahhabi terrorists over the same period, have all led to a perfect storm for al-Qaeda. It now suffers the almost unbelievable humiliation of having Arab Muslims willingly join Americans to expel it from the ancient caliphate.

John McCain was pilloried for his “100 years” in Iraq quip. But the logic of some sort of longer-term presence still stands: Should we continue to bring brigades home slowly as the situation warrants, then the stationing of smaller contingents of Americans abroad in Iraq could become analogous to our presence in South Korea, Japan, the Balkans, or Europe, where deployments are no more dangerous, nor that much more costly than having them here in the United States. Far from being worn out, the U.S. military has evolved into the world’s only capable anti-insurgency military force — as we sadly see through contrast with the dismal performance of our NATO allies in Afghanistan.

On the other fronts, the outlook is not so encouraging. Iran was given a great gift with the National Intelligence Estimate’s de facto clean bill on nuclear proliferation, a finding that undermined almost all current multilateral efforts to embargo or boycott the theocracy until it is transparent about enrichment.

Somehow our politically tainted intelligence agencies argued the near laughable: claiming that Iran stopped making the bomb in 2003 (so that we need not worry now), and yet insisting that such abrupt cessation had nothing to do, as was true in the case of Libya, with our removal of Saddam Hussein (so that no one gets any credit). Far from drawing us back from the brink, the naïve and politicized findings — meant to restrain the much caricatured Bush — have instead only eroded much of the peaceful avenues to prevent Iran’s acquisition of a nuclear weapon (Stanley Kurtz has argued here).

Stabilization in Iraq helps. So does regional Arab worries about Iran. But we are in a holding pattern with three or four unknowns that will ultimately determine whether Iran gets the bomb: What will Israel do? Will Russia, given its past Islamic problems, really want a nuclear theocracy on its border? Is Iran for a few months laying low and quiet, waiting for a change in administration, and with it the assurance that it can sneak through and offer the West its nuclear capacity as a fait accompli, as Pakistan did in 1998?

Oil remains our greatest wartime liability. Since the spikes started in 2003, trillions in wealth have been transferred from the producing nations of America, Europe, China, and India to the otherwise failed societies of the Arab Middle East, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela. It is naïve to think that beneficiaries like Iran or Saudi Arabia will opt for the Dubai route of self-indulgent, but peaceable and largely humane development. For us, the transfer of such massive amounts of capital is both a cause and symptom of our financial vulnerability in a war in which global perceptions are everything — and the United States increasingly seen as an insolvent debtor, its enemies, like vultures on the ever lower branches, awaiting the massive stag below to finally stumble under its wounds.

Ironically our greatest asset is Middle Eastern greed, or the notion that pumping oil at $3 to $4 a barrel and selling it at, say, $50 is not enough for the House of Saud, when it can squeeze out $90. Only that permanent price gauging ensures that we won’t see a drop back to $20 a barrel, and with it a relaxation of our efforts to find new energies. Thus eventually both liberals with their Volvo SUVs and conservatives in their 4x4s will agree to develop nuclear power, flex and alternative fuels, gasification of coal, mandatory conservation, and increased oil exploration — and thereby free us from the current extortion, and at last dry up the petrodollars that feed the terrorists.

In terms of Western morale, the picture is likewise not so encouraging. Although the worst days of Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore have faded, American public opinion is inconsistent. It is angry over the cost of Iraq, but supports the Petraeus plan and rejects the Democratic alternative of mandatory withdrawal and subsequent defeat. It bridles at Guantanamo and wiretaps, but wants the protections of such surveillance and the Patriot Act in continuance. It complains about lost liberties, but neither explains in any detail how exactly we are no longer free nor appreciates that the nation has not experienced another 9/11, despite repeated terrorist attempts.

Immigrants from the Middle East, as least as we determine their sentiments in the media and the universities, complain about current U.S. policy, but rarely voice sustained appreciation of our system they fled to in rejection of their own. Opposition leaders bash Bush as preemptive, unilateral, and incompetent, but do not adduce any alternative peace plan for the Middle East, a new innovative strategy for Iran, a better way of handling Pakistan, new directions in Afghanistan, or something other than quick withdrawal from Iraq. What little we’ve seen and heard — Obama’s worldwide Muslim peace conference and call for an armed incursion into nuclear Pakistan, Pelosi’s visits to dictatorial Syria, Joe Biden’s trisection of sovereign Iraq — are more frightening than novel.

Abroad, the European public is more schizophrenic. It wants to make no sacrifices to stop the jihadists, but fears them terribly. It damns the U.S. as responsible for the tense, unpleasant global environment, but then — apparently in private — votes to ensure it has leaders favorable to us. Europeans offer moral lectures to Americans who are paying a great price in blood and treasure for constitutional alternatives in Iraq, even as their own elites in shameful timidity mortgage the Western Enlightenment to two-bit thuggish Islamists.

Afghanistan is not seen as a line in the sand to stop the spread of jihadism, but an embarrassing entanglement that can be blamed on George Bush’s inordinate anger following 9/11. The European attitude toward America seems to be “you must intervene in the Balkans to lead us in the fight against the twilight, but we won’t follow you into Afghanistan to battle against abject darkness.”

For those who thought that the level of European appeasement could not be surpassed following the Dutch murderers, the opera and cartoon fiascos, the pope’s remarks, or the Iranian kidnapping of British sailors, we now are to listen to the Archbishop of Canterbury’s admission that the implementation of sharia law in Britain is “unavoidable” and probably useful as well. Never was so much surrendered by so few to so many.

The new multicultural and relativist British elite in just a decade or so has managed to make in comparison the 12th-century England of Thomas Becket seem humane. In the last analysis, the real worries about the survival of the West in this war are not with America and its courageous twenty-something suburban kids in Anbar trying to offer something better than the sharia morality of the seventh century, but with the likes of sanctimonious and cowardly churchmen in England trying to spread it.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author, most recently, of A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OThkYTMwN2UwNDlmNjdlZjRkNjcwZDRhNDBmY2QxZmU=

-- February 12, 2008 12:32 PM


Sara wrote:

QUOTES from below:

"According to The Economist, the NIE report was a huge mistake — an intellectually distorted product that has not only left Europe’s diplomats angry and despondent but has killed the once genuine prospect of cooperation from Russia and China, and left Iran in position for a nuclear breakout during the next presidential term."

Dovish intelligence analysts eager to discredit the administration and tie its hands have not only distorted and betrayed the truth about Iran, they have undercut and infuriated the very European diplomats America’s doves look to for approval and assistance. The NIE lied. Europe’s peacemakers cried.

The Economist even takes International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed El Baradei to task for undercutting U.N. diplomacy, and for perhaps even hiding the truth about Iran’s nuclear plans — all for the sake of frustrating America’s hawks.

The real reason that the NIE report is a winning issue is that the threat of a nuclear Iran is all-too-real. The Economist reports that the Iranians could have enough highly enriched uranium for a bomb by 2009, the very first year of the new president’s term, and by 2010–2015 at the latest. The Iran bomb issue is therefore likely to dominate the next administration. Given that, our presidential nominees have both a right and an obligation to explain how they intend to handle this issue.

===

Taking Down the NIE
Iran is a winning issue for Republicans.
By Stanley Kurtz
February 7, 2008 7:00 AM

The biggest story of the 2008 campaign so far may not be the fall or rise of any candidate, but the quick and quiet decline of the war on terror as a bone of political contention. Supposedly, the terror war is yesterday’s news, and in any case a losing issue for the Republicans in 2008. Yet this newly congealing conventional wisdom is mistaken. Republicans can win this election on national security. In fact, with its cover story this week, The Economist has dropped the winning argument into Republican laps, if only we have the guts and smarts to use it.

The success of the surge and the media’s aversion to that success have driven Iraq from the front pages. Putting aside the question of media bias, the fact is, Americans are weary of Iraq, and tired as well of our internal battles over the war. The public may be relieved at Iraq’s comparative turnaround, yet there’s still a feeling that the war was a mistake — or at least enough of a problem to cast doubt on hawkish solutions.

Still, the public worries about the perilous state of the world. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto and the vision of a chaotic, nuclear-armed Pakistan falling into Islamist hands electrified Americans and reminded them of the stakes in the overall war against terror. The public understands that Islamist extremism in a world of nuclear proliferation is still the greatest threat to our safety. Even so, Americans remain weary of what seem like ill-chosen battles, and eager for a break from having to think about war at all. That is the reality of our current mood — which doesn’t mean the war can’t return as an issue, only that there has to be a good reason.

Well, there is a good reason, and it’s called Iran. Of course, last December’s National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), by claiming that Iran has long-since abandoned its nuclear weapons program, effectively took the Bush administration’s military option in Iran off the table, thereby letting the air out of national security as a campaign issue. Rudy Giuliani’s ill-fated release of a campaign ad on the Iranian threat, just as the NIE report broke, marked the moment of political transition. Since then, Iran has been AWOL from our public debates, and with it the most fateful and pressing decision in the broader war against terror.

There’s just one problem. The NIE report is misleading and mendacious nonsense. What’s more, our very hardly-neocon European allies are just now waking up to that fact. The Economist’s “Has Iran Won?” cover story (consisting of both an opinion piece and an extended issue briefing) makes it clear that the clean bill of health so misleadingly granted Iran by the NIE has effectively unraveled five years of painstaking European diplomacy. According to The Economist, the NIE report was a huge mistake — an intellectually distorted product that has not only left Europe’s diplomats angry and despondent but has killed the once genuine prospect of cooperation from Russia and China, and left Iran in position for a nuclear breakout during the next presidential term. The title of The Economist’s extended analysis gives a feel for this remarkable cover story: “As the enrichment machines spin on: How America’s own intelligence services have brought international policy on Iran to the edge of collapse.”

The emerging diplomatic disaster spawned by the NIE report, which is increasingly recognized as misleading, raises the prospect of flipping the current political dynamic. The NIE had seemed to confirm the dovish Democratic line: Fears of Iran are greatly exaggerated. So let’s drop our guns, hand the problem back to the diplomats (especially those helpful Europeans), and concentrate on domestic issues instead.

Yet, as the truth about the NIE report emerges from decidedly non-neocon sources like The Economist, it’s increasingly clear that the real NIE story is actually a Republican warning come true. Dovish intelligence analysts eager to discredit the administration and tie its hands have not only distorted and betrayed the truth about Iran, they have undercut and infuriated the very European diplomats America’s doves look to for approval and assistance. The NIE lied. Europe’s peacemakers cried. Seizing on this story could bring national security back into the heart of this election campaign — and for all the right reasons.

No one’s saying the NIE’s author’s intended to harm America or to help Iran get the bomb. This is more a “shoot-yourself-in-the-foot” narrative than a “stab-in-the-back” one, where ham-handed attempts by dovish bureaucrats to influence policy ended up distorting intelligence and inadvertently harming the West’s diplomatic efforts. The Economist calls the NIE an “own goal,” as when a soccer player accidentally scores against his own team. The upshot is that it’s not the hawks, but bureaucratic doves, who can justly be accused of distorting intelligence for political reasons. Nor is The Economist shy about pointing up how Democrats have foolishly allowed their opposition to the president to play into Iranian hands: “Presuming Mr. Bush’s guns to be now truly spiked, his critics at home are cheering along with the Iranians.” Up to now, the NIE report has killed Iran as a campaign issue. Yet The Economist’s cover story shows that the NIE report itself is the issue — and a winning one for Republicans.

Calling for a preemptive strike on Iran may be a losing political play right now — but the Republican nominee need not do that. Yes, we’ve got to put at least the possibility of a strike against Iran back on the table. Keeping the military option alive is actually the best way to stop Iran’s bomb, short of war. This ought to have been obvious before, but it’s now been proven in practice. The collapse of our military option in Iran — thanks to the NIE’s distortions — has destroyed our diplomatic option, as well. That fact creates a genuinely teachable foreign-policy moment.

We’ve heard it claimed that Europe’s vaunted soft power actually depends upon the hard fact of American military protection. Europe’s emerging diplomatic disaster on Iran proves it. Take America’s military option in Iran off the table, and the Iranians will have their bomb — quite possibly before the end of the next presidential term. The best way to “give peace a chance” in Iran is to keep a realistic threat of war in reserve. A Republican nominee ought to be able to say this, without claiming that war is inevitable. On the contrary, the point is that only a tough stand on force has any hope of solving the crisis by purely diplomatic means.

When I hear Democrats enthusing privately about this election, one of their thrills is imagining how impressed our European allies will be to see a bunch of supposed American troglodytes electing a woman or an African-American as president. That’ll show those Europeans how sophisticated we are! The problem is that the West doesn’t need another Europe. What the West really needs is an American tough cop who can place an iron fist inside Europe’s velvet glove. That, of course, is precisely what Republicans supply.

Not that The Economist is calling for a tougher Iran policy. On the contrary, exasperated as The Economist may be by the NIE fiasco, the magazine is now seemingly prepared to give away the store. The Economist wants the administration to drop its demand that Iran stop enriching uranium before talks get under way, then quickly offer the mullahs a “grand bargain” for an overall peace. They remain skeptical of a deal, however, since they grant that Iran is in no mood to negotiate, and is in any case likely to use drawn-out talks as a cover to finish its bomb.

Yet it’s certainly impressive that so relatively dovish a magazine now confirms conservative complaints about the NIE in every other respect. In contrast to the NIE, The Economist is clear that the real threat from Iran is not the supposedly suspended weaponization program, which can quickly be restarted and completed, but the uranium-enrichment program that Iran is carrying out in open defiance of the world. “Whether by accident or design,” says The Economist, “the [NIE] report was written in such a way that allowed the finding about weaponisation to suck attention away from the uranium work....” The Economist even takes International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed El Baradei to task for undercutting U.N. diplomacy, and for perhaps even hiding the truth about Iran’s nuclear plans — all for the sake of frustrating America’s hawks. And the magazine’s reporting is clearly based on extensive discussions with European diplomats deeply angered by what they view as a seriously distorted and damaging intelligence report.

Given this, an aggressive attack on the NIE by the Republican nominee can successfully bring national security back into the center of campaign 2008. Whether the Republican standard-bearer is John McCain or not, the nominee will not have President Bush’s credibility problem on intelligence issues. What’s more, the demonstrably misleading and diplomatically disastrous NIE will not survive sustained scrutiny. Not only will an aggressive Republican attack on the NIE effectively revive the Iran issue, it will teach a powerful lesson about the dangers of overenthusiastic dovishness.

If the Republican nominee does go after the NIE, what will the Democrats say in response? If the Dems defend the report, they’ll look bad, because the NIE is in truth deeply misleading and has severely damaged international diplomacy on Iran. Even The Economist says so. National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell distanced himself from his own agency’s findings just this Tuesday. If, on the other hand, the Democrats should agree that the NIE has some serious problems, Republicans still come out on top.

If either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama agreed with the Republican nominee that the Iranian threat is far more real and proximate than the NIE report implies, that would be major news, and would surely return the Iran issue to the heart of the campaign. The Republican nominee would then have the advantage. Better still, general agreement from both nominees that the NIE report is flawed would simultaneously put the military option back on the table and kick-start our failing efforts to solve the Iran problem without force. That would be very good indeed, and not just for the Republicans, but for the country as a whole.

So in effect, the willingness of the Republican nominee to openly and aggressively challenge the NIE report would give a real-time demonstration of how toughness in the war on terror brings results. Whether the Democrats run a “grand bargain” strategy or an “I’m tough, too” gambit in reply, this is a game they can’t win.

Ultimately, however, the real reason that the NIE report is a winning issue is that the threat of a nuclear Iran is all-too-real. The Economist reports that the Iranians could have enough highly enriched uranium for a bomb by 2009, the very first year of the new president’s term, and by 2010–2015 at the latest. The Iran bomb issue is therefore likely to dominate the next administration. Given that, our presidential nominees have both a right and an obligation to explain how they intend to handle this issue.

— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and an NRO contributing editor.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzU0MjMyMGZlMWQwNjg3OTUxMjA1YTRjODdiZGUwMTI=

-- February 12, 2008 12:58 PM


Sara wrote:

Anon;

No one said you have to listen to what I say.

Eze 3:17 Son of man, I have made you a watchman... therefore hear the word at My mouth, and give them warning from me.
Eze 3:18 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you do not give him warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Eze 3:19 Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he does not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also you have hast delivered your soul

I have dispatched my obligation. You are warned.

If you scoff or do not heed the fact that you need to repent...
and as a result you end up dying.. that is your business.
But I must speak because if there is any who will heed and listen, their souls will be saved from the danger.

God is a merciful God.

It is the same reason the FBI put out today's warning:

===

DHS, FBI Warn of Possibility of Female Homicide Bombers
Tuesday, February 12, 2008

The growing use by terrorist groups of women — some disguised as expectant moms — to deliver deadly homicide bombs has prompted the Department of Homeland Security and FBI to issue a rare warning that such attacks could take place on American soil.

The assessment also strongly warned that potential female homicide bombers could use "prosthetic devices that mimic the look of a pregnant woman."

Last June, Al Qaeda and Taliban-trained homicide bombers reportedly were dispatched to the U.S., Great Britain, Canada and Germany following a videotaped graduation ceremony that included congratulations from Taliban commander Monsoor Dadullah.

Pakistani security forces reported Monday that they had captured Dadullah in a gunfight at the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330415,00.html

===

It is negligent of the authorities not to warn when the possibility exists.
It is also negligent of the church to remain quiet when the possibility exists.

The sad fact is.. there is an enemy at our gate - even, within our country. Only God can help us, not man.
Those who think differently will ignore the Lord.. and God help them...
and us if they attain to seats of power within the nation.

Unless the Lord keeps the nation, the watchmen watch in vain.

I warn because I want it not to happen.. because I hope something will be done to change it.
I do not wish the timeline to catch up.. I want it altered, God willing.
I speak because I hope it can change.. and if not, maybe God will use some of it to warn those who have ears to hear.
Obviously, you are not one of those with them (ears to hear such a warning).

Your loss.

I pray for the enlightenment of your soul..
before it is too late.

Sara.

-- February 12, 2008 4:56 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraq's tribal system is vital for national stability
By Jaber Aljaberi

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In the history of Iraq, presidents and occupying powers alike have sought to minimize or eradicate the role of the tribes. None succeeded. Until 1958 when the monarchy was disbanded, tribal law ruled the land. The Iraqi Republic may have officially cancelled tribal law in 1958, but 50 years later Iraq's tribal system is alive and well and has earned a seat in a regional democracy paradigm.

In 2003, Iraq was invaded on three fronts - an overt military occupation by coalition forces; a covert socio-political-economic infiltration by a regional power; and a ruthless insurgency that killed many more Iraqis than it did coalition troops. Few nations, if any, would be able to survive the magnitude of such an assault. Foreign agents set about sewing seeds of discontent with the purpose of dividing the country along sectarian lines. These foreign elements understood that Iraq's tribal system was the only impediment to the divide and conquer scheme, and as such, they systematically targeted the tribal system.

Through "Iraqi" agents, neighboring powers managed to convince the coalition forces in Iraq that tribal leaders, Sunnis and Baathists were all synonymous. Thus, the tribes were politically and economically marginalized and prevented from securing their areas. As recently as 2007, tribal leaders and their guards could be arrested for carrying weapons, even in self-defense. This left them vulnerable; insurgents and militias-for-hire stepped in to seal the deal.

This scenario played out across Iraq, but not to the degree it reached in Anbar Province. Cities were destroyed and the economy brought to a complete standstill; participation in the electoral process was reciprocated with assassination. The only two employers were the US military or Al-Qaeda, and if you worked with the former, the latter would levy a heavy price. Baghdad was off-limits as the militias were hunting those from Anbar in those days and few could afford to take refuge in Syria and Jordan, even if they managed to get a visa.

When the situation in Anbar reached unmanageable levels, it was the tribes that stepped up to restore security to the region. The courage and charisma of tribal folk turned the tide in the desert province. Soon, tribes were being allowed to take over the security of their tribal areas and within months, foreign insurgents had retreated from Anbar.

One would have imagined that with the insurgency under control, peace would easily follow. But in Anbar, nothing is easily forgotten. The families of victims have called for retribution against locals who collaborated with the insurgency, even those minimally linked. Collaborators tended to be young men between the ages of 16 and 25. Without the opportunity for their reintegration into the community, these individuals may have no economic options but to rejoin insurgent groups.

Once again, tribal leaders are playing a critical role in resolving these disputes, deflating potential tribal conflict and finding ways of reintegrating these youths into the society.

We can attribute the success of the tribes to various factors.

When the Iraqi nation was bombed, pillaged and neglected, of the two social pillars able to maintain cohesion - religion and tribe - the tribal system proved to be the more effective. Rather than advocating harmony, tolerance and forgiveness, Iraq's religious apparatus became politicized, thereby fostering (but not fueling) sectarian tensions. Tribal leaders, on the other hand, were struggling even fighting to maintain a unified Iraq.

Because in the tribal system decisions are derived by consensus, they are more effective and last longer. Consensus-building is an Arab tradition that stems from tribal custom. The fact that in most households a physical space is dedicated for a diwaniyya or majlis (a place where one "holds court," hears concerns, complaints, and decisions are vetted with stakeholders) is a testament to the practical nature of the tribe.

The diwaniyya is an "alternative dispute resolution" technique - a concept fairly new to the Western world, but a centuries-old tradition in the Arab world. Sulha is another. In accordance with Islamic practice, sulha is a two-step process: a private, often mediated, negotiation of redress between the affected parties, followed by a public declaration of forgiveness and, usually, a festive meal.

Most importantly, as noted by Ada Pacos Melton in her essay on North American tribes, "Indigenous Justice Systems and Tribal Society," the tribal approach requires problems to be handled in their entirety. As she wrote: "Conflicts are not fragmented, nor is the process compartmentalized into pre-adjudication, pretrial, adjudication and sentencing stages. These hinder the resolution process for victims and offenders and delay the restoration of relationships and communal harmony. All contributing factors are examined to address the underlying issues that precipitated the problem, and everyone affected by a problem participates in the process. This distributive aspect generalizes individual misconduct or criminal behavior to the offender's wider kin group, hence there is a wider sharing of blame and guilt. The offender, along with his or her kinsmen, are held accountable and responsible for correcting behavior and repairing relationships."

Every Iraqi government has tried and failed to disband the tribal system. Today, we have seen that the tribal mechanism (including tribal leaders, tribal law, and tribal judges) has demonstrated its effectiveness and has earned a place in a modern Iraq. It is a system that is based on hundreds of years of experience in resolving disputes and mediating conflict; it is practical, effective, secular and completely tuned in to stakeholder needs with full transparency and accountability. Furthermore, today many tribal leaders, in the past uneducated but knowledgeable and wise, can tout degrees in law, engineering, mathematics and medicine. We may not see a Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq, but the tribal leaders of Iraq are poised to lead their nation toward an equitable system.

It is our hope that one of the lessons learned from the Iraqi experience since 2003 is that the tribal system is a vital component for a stable Iraq and Middle East. It is one area where the West can learn from the East and is the foundation for any sustainable Arab democracy.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 12, 2008 5:10 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Kurds and the New Iraq
"Kurds Lose Sway in Iraq as Arabs Resist Demands" (front page NY.Times, Feb. 1):
By Falah Mustafa Bakir

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The Kurds are not seeking to "seize control of the oil-rich city of Kirkuk." We have consistently called for implementation of Article 140 of the Iraqi Constitution to address the future of Kirkuk and other towns that were ethnically cleansed by Saddam Hussein.

On Dec. 26, 2007, the Kurdistan National Assembly approved the United Nations' suggestion to extend the time needed for the referendum, which was required to be held by December 2007, for technical reasons. This was a significant concession by the Kurds.

It is true that the Kurds have had "close ties to the Americans" and "have steadfastly backed the government" of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki. Our contribution to a federal, democratic Iraq is indisputable and by choice. Although so far we have given more than we have gained from the new Iraq, we are not seeking independence, although it would be our right to do so.

Like the United States, the Kurds have been frustrated by Baghdad's slow progress on many of the political benchmarks, including the federal oil law. But as champions of a free and federal Iraq, the Kurds will continue to press for equitable sharing of revenues and resources and for good governance for all Iraqis.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 12, 2008 5:13 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Is Nouri Al-Malaki finally at the end of his long rope? Read the below article and tell me what you guys think.
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Iraqi Threatens to Disband Parliament 2/12/08

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Iraqi Threatens to Disband Parliament
posted 3:28 pm Tue February 12, 2008 - BAGHDAD
The speaker of Iraq's fragmented parliament threatened Tuesday to disband the legislature, saying it is so riddled with distrust it appears unable to adopt the budget or agree on a law setting a date for provincial elections. Disbanding parliament would prompt new elections within 60 days and further undermine Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's shaky government, which is limping along with nearly half of the 40 Cabinet posts vacant.

The disarray undermines the purpose of last year's U.S. troop "surge" - to bring down violence enough to allow the Iraqi government and parliament to focus on measures to reconcile differences among minority Sunnis and Kurds and the majority Shiites. Violence is down dramatically, but political progress languishes.

Iraq's constitution allows Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, the hot-tempered speaker and a member of the minority Sunni faction, to dissolve parliament if one-third of its members request the move and a majority of lawmakers approve. Al-Mashhadani said he already had sufficient backing for the move from five political blocs, but he refused to name them.

Al-Mashhadani said the Iraqi treasury had already lost $3 billion by failing to pass the budget before the end of 2007. He did not explain how the money was lost.

He blamed the lack of a budget on Kurdish politicians who have refused to back down from a demand that their regional and semiautonomous government be guaranteed 17 percent of national income.

The 17 percent formula for Kurds was applied to past budgets, but some Sunni and Shiite lawmakers sought to lower it to about 14 percent. The argument is that the Kurdish population is closer to 14 percent of Iraq's total than 17 percent as Kurds insist. There has been no census in decades.

Shiite lawmakers walked out of the rare night session Tuesday when the Kurds refused to drop their demand to lump the budget vote together with two other contested measures. The Kurds said they feared being double-crossed on the budget, which now calls for restoration of the 17 percent Kurdish share, if parliamentarians voted on the laws separately.

"We believe the crisis of trust continues to grow and will affect the work of government. We have to admit now that the political process has failed and call for the disbanding of parliament and early elections," Sadrist lawmaker Bahaa al-Araji said after the fractious session.

Earlier in the day, radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's office condemned the kidnapping of two CBS journalists in the southern city of Basra, while Iraqi police said an intensive search was under way for the men.

Separately, a 27-year-old Iraqi journalist who disappeared after leaving his offices two days ago to buy some supplies was found shot to death Tuesday in central Baghdad.

Iraqi police and witnesses said the kidnapping in Basra took place Sunday morning when about eight masked gunmen wielding machine guns stormed the Sultan Palace Hotel and seized a British reporter and his Iraqi interpreter.

CBS News said Monday that two journalists working for it were missing in Basra, but it did not identify them.

Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, has seen fierce fighting between rival Shiite militias as part of a power struggle in the oil-rich south.

The Sadrists were quick to distance themselves from the disappearance of the journalists.

"We condemn the kidnappings of journalists, and we demand the release of the British journalist and the Iraqi interpreter," Harith al-Edhari, a director of al-Sadr's office in Basra, told reporters.

An official in the Basra security operations room, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of security concerns, said authorities had launched an intensive search and had arrested a man suspected of involvement in the kidnapping.

CBS said all efforts were under way to find the journalists and requested "that others do not speculate on the identities of those involved" until more information was available.

Kidnappings of Westerners and Iraqis - for political motives or ransom - were common in the past but have become infrequent recently with a decline in violence.

Since 2004, three journalists - Fakher Haider of The New York Times, as well as James Brandon of Britain and New York freelancer Steven Vincent - have been abducted in Basra, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. Brandon was released, but Vincent and Haider were murdered, it said.

According to CPJ, at least 51 journalists have been abducted in Iraq since 2004. The New York-based group said the majority was released, but 12 were killed.

"Iraq is the most dangerous country in the world for journalists and the deadliest conflict for the press in recent history," CPJ Executive Director Joel Simon said. "Journalists face incalculable risks in order to bring us the news about what is happening on the ground there."

CPJ also has recorded at least 126 journalists killed since the U.S.-led war started in March 2003, excluding the latest death.

Hisham Michwit Hamdan, 27, disappeared Sunday after he left the offices of the Young Journalists League to get notebooks and pens at a market in the central Baghdad district of Bab al-Mudham district, the league's chief said.

His bullet-riddled body was found Tuesday in central Baghdad, according to league chief, Haider al-Moussawi and police. Hamdan joined the independent organization when it was established in 2003 as a media watchdog and had not reported any threats, al-Moussawi added. He is survived by a wife and two children.

Written By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

(http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0208/495498.html)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 12, 2008 5:57 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

Good articles, thanks. :)

Concerning your article and question of, "Is Nouri Al-Malaki finally at the end of his long rope?"...

I was reading an article a while back that went into this about needing new elections. Apparently many of the Iraqi people don't feel properly represented, as the elections took place in kind of early days after Saddam was toppled and Sunnis (especially those which had been Baathists under Saddam) did not run in the elections. I think they were prohibited from doing so. Also, Iraqis feel their leaders are not responding to their concerns for more jobs and services and so they want new elections. I think this may shake up the status quo and be a good thing if it happens. I know we all want instant stability, but the reason we do not have it now may just be because the people are not being rightly represented.

If you have people who do not represent the ordinary Iraqis (who, by and large, appear to be reasonable and normal in their expectations and demands), then they are serving another agenda.. probably just playing politics and milking the system (corruption). New elections may be the breath of fresh air which will break these deadlocks we have seen in the parliament and bring forward the reconciliation and progress on the political front Iraq needs to move forward.

The article said, "the legislature.. is so riddled with distrust it appears unable to adopt the budget or agree on a law setting a date for provincial elections." That sounds like political stonewalling to me. Those holding power don't wish to give it up. Isn't Iraq a DEMOCRACY? Don't the people have the right to give some kind of.. non-confidence vote.. and replace the government if they see fit?

So what if it will "undermine Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's shaky government".. if it isn't working, then let the people do something to fix it. That is what democracies are.. people having a say in how the government should be run. And it isn't being run the way they want, so they should be allowed to change it. It says in the article you posted, "Violence is down dramatically, but political progress languishes." Sooo.. have a new election, get in new people.. let them move forward the new political progess that is necessary. The status quo is not working.. time for a change!

Obviously this is how many of them feel when the article says.. "Iraq's constitution allows Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, the hot-tempered speaker and a member of the minority Sunni faction, to dissolve parliament if one-third of its members request the move and a majority of lawmakers approve. Al-Mashhadani said he already had sufficient backing for the move.." So.. why isn't he doing it? Someone paying him money not to? Is it because they called him "hot-tempered"? Did they put that in there to deprecate him as being too quick to fulfil this legitimate request so he has to wait for a while before he can do it and not be accused falsely of being volatile in temperament? I think there is just cause for doing this as obviously one-third of the members support this move and I know from other reading that many in the populace do, too. He should just go ahead and do it. Many Iraqi people definitely wish this change.

Quote: "We believe the crisis of trust continues to grow and will affect the work of government. We have to admit now that the political process has failed and call for the disbanding of parliament and early elections,"... That sounds like a good thing to me! Time to move on and get a government that works for the Iraqi people. The Iraqis will elect those they feel are most competent.. and this time around I think they know more what is at stake and will elect politicians who will go to parliament and get things done for the Iraqi people.. things like money, jobs and housing... basic utilities, beefing up security, etc. The Sunnis who were excluded before will also have a chance at the process, so it should help toward a more representative democracy, which, we hope, means more cooperation, not less. We have to trust a little in the good sense of the Iraqis to choose reasonable politicians.. and a good dose of trusting God beyond them for a good outcome. After all.. it is God who chooses ultimately who rules, so long as the process is allowed to go forward freely and uncoerced, as all true representative democracies should be.

Sara.

-- February 12, 2008 7:22 PM


Sara wrote:

Al Qaeda captain killed in Iraq
Feb 11, 2008

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi police said they killed an al Qaeda in Iraq leader on Saturday in the northern city of Samarra.

Mahmoud al-Douri, who also went by the name Abu Omar, was killed during a raid on a Samarra house, a police official said. Police said al-Douri shot at them and they fired back, killing him.

Weapons, explosives and a car bomb were found at the house, the Samarra police official said.

Samarra is in Salaheddin province, one of four northern Iraq provinces where Iraqi and U.S. forces have been conducting a stepped-up campaign against militants.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/09/iraq.main/index.html

-- February 12, 2008 7:39 PM


Sara wrote:

Iraq MPs storm out of Parliament
Wednesday Feb 13 09:32 AEDT

Iraqi MPs have stormed out of parliament after blocking a vote on the 2008 budget and other key bills, prompting calls for the legislature to be disbanded.

Parliament speaker Mahmoud Mashhadani, a Sunni Arab, told reporters he might ask the presidency council to dissolve the legislature unless the crisis was resolved.

The council comprises Iraq's president and two vice presidents.

According to Iraq's constitution, parliament can dissolve itself with the consent of the absolute majority of its members, or upon the request of the prime minister and with the approval of the president.

The walkout during an evening session, mainly by Shi'ite and Sunni Arab MPs, underscored the deep distrust between the country's different sectarian and ethnic groups.

"The crisis of confidence in parliament has grown," Bahaa al-Araji, a senior MP from the movement of Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, told a news conference.

"I think we should admit the failure of the (political process), dissolve parliament and hold new elections."

It was not clear how the impasse would be resolved, although parliament is set to meet again this week.

The US government has long been pressing Iraq's leaders to make progress on the legislative front.

Parliament passed a law last month that will allow former members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party to regain their jobs in the government and military, a key demand of minority Sunni Arabs who were dominant under Saddam.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=379108

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4280468

-- February 12, 2008 11:18 PM


Roger wrote:

A quickie on Hydrogen.

Some interest in the fuel cell.

Well, there are a lot of sites to go to and check it out, there are also a lot of snake oil doctors selling stuff out there that isn't worth much, and there are also (of course ) the ordinary conspiracy theories out there, mixed with pseudo science and you will get a lot of believers in almost anything.

The reason we don't have clean nuclear power is probably because the "green wing" didn't get educated enough when the debate was on in the -70's.

Hydrogen, oh yes.

First, this is not a complete fuel cell, that is, something that NASA is advocating in their spacecraft, but rather an electrolytic split making hydrogen and leading it into the air intake of the car.

Around the time when learned men had wigs, the law was set that you can not get more energy out of an electrolytic gas in it's heat cycle than the energy it took to split the electrolyt into it's parts.

So instead the hydrogen benefit the car in other ways.

Hydrogen is burned with about 10.000 feet a second, and it is in atomic form, rather than in big molecules like the gasoline, so by introducing hydrogen into the combustion process, you will get a quicker flame, that will ignite the charge quicker, thus you can retard the timing of the engine, and get a net win in efficiency.

Combustion engines, burning gas, need to fire the charge, already when the piston is on the way up, in order for the flame front to be fully ignited and have the peak pressure when the piston is in top dead center. That leaves the piston engine with heat loss on it's upstroke, and internal drag caused by pressure against the piston on it's upstroke, needed to be overcome by the engines inertia( flywheel).

By adding a small amount of hydrogen, the burn process will be first very clean, plus it ill be very complete, and the efficiency as described above, will increase the fuel mileage.

The heat value of the gas, is not that much as you don't put in very much Hydrogen, but all in all, if you convert ONE gallon of water into gas, you will get (at sea level) over 1800 gallon of "ready mix". Those gallons of gas will propel you forward. The "Ready mix"is water split up into H-H-O, two hydrogen atoms, and one oxygen.

You can build one of these yourself, very cheap.

My first cell had less of an efficiency, and I will tomorrow get material for another one much more "kick ass".

Still I had a very good record of a test run I did, I am building this in an old Diesel Rabbit, I love the car, (market value 200 bucks). I went to Mexico for a dentist appointment, and had an opportunity to measure the fuel very carefully.

This car was advertised as the 50 MPG car, that is true, but me, as well as a couple of friends of mine that are VW Diesel aficionados, all know that you will get 50 MPG only if you are sitting on complete flat land and do not go over 55 MPH.

I drove on freeways, in speeds varying between 65 and 70, I did stop and go traffic, ( through LA), I did hills, long surging uphills and step on the break downhills. Still I did get 50 MPG, something that is impossible to achieve, with that kind of driving with that car.

You might want to read up a bit on Hydrogen cells, maybe watch some on the YouTube, before you build, but once you build it, you will probably get away with 20 bucks in material if you're lucky, maybe even cheaper if you have all the material in your junk pile.

It's very easy, think if a battery, build it similar to that, have a container, of some sort, arrange for plates, net, wire or any kind of arrangement that will make two polars, dip it into the electrolyte, (water, buddy), ad a teaspoon of baking soda to make it conductive, rig the cell to the ignition so when the engine shuts off, the cell also goes off.

Rig a small hose to the air intake of the car, and you don't have to do most anything with it for a coupe of days. On occasion you add some fuel (water)

The exhaust will come out cleaner, and some claims that they had a broken catalytic converter but still the smog station was amazed how clean the exhaust was in the car.

The gain in fuel economy have been (claimed ) everything from 5 to 105%. The guys selling stuff for you to bolt on, have the most highly claimed fuel savings, but hey, they want to sell you things.

Either way, you WILL save fuel(gas), get cleaner air, and you have a completely free source of fuel.

Once you start the ignition, you will make the plates "hot"in the cell, and it will produce gas, it is not water, it is water that is split up in it's atomic smallest parts, once it passes through the engine, and burn, you will again get the water back, the ONLY exhaust this gas can make is water.

Hydrogen is also used in engines nowadays when you use alternative fuel, ordinary you must have very high concentrate of alcohol if you make your own alcohol fuel, something that takes a lot of energy to accomplish but you can run on pretty low "Proof" alcohol if you also run on Hydrogen, The Hydrogen ill ignite the charge.

Also waste products that is mostly tossed away, rotting in our landfills, or of no use in the agricultural field, waste material, can be processed and burned in a combustion engine, but usually it is of low grade, but by adding Hydrogen, you can make almost anything burn in the combustion engine.

If you have a source of material like that, you can power a stationary engine, for your own power needs, and also to make hydrogen in a stationary hydrogen generator, pump it into your car and get free fuel that way.

The cost of converting a car for all that is (depending on what company you are using) in the $500-700 range. But the hardware is very simple and with normal schooling anyone could make a hydrogen cell.

We are not at the point of complete oil independence as we speak, but I would like at least to beat the system in one way or the other.

I did in the past run this car on pure grease from Restaurants, and ran it several times between California and Salt Lake City because of a job I had there in the past. The run is a steady 700+ miles , I did it several times, and I think I used about ONE gallon of Diesel. (I need to prime the injectors with Diesel, the engine had a hard time starting with the grease)

There ARE ways to beat the system, to get cleaner air, to stop draining or economy with foreign oil, and to get into bad political situations because we don't have a clue how to use energy.

Besides, it's fun being imaginative, and wiring up a new system.

Also, it sounds so impressing when I bought baking soda at Save Mart, and the young guy with pimples had a comment when I only had ONE item, the baking soda.

-"So we're going to bake a cake?"

-"No, it's a catalyst for the electrolysis, in my Hydrogen fuel cell for my car".

-"???????"

-"So the conductivity will reach the induction level of molecular splitting"

-"????????"

-"Plastic please".


-- February 13, 2008 6:37 AM


Sara wrote:

I had a good chuckle, Roger, on your baking soda buy at the store.
Thanks for the information on fuel cells and how you made yours.
It is appreciated. :)

Yesterday I posted to Rob N about how the Iraqis should be fine in getting their election cycle going again, and replacing their leaders who are not doing anything for the Iraqi people.. so long as there is not something disqualifying their democracy from being truly free choice.
As I thought on it, I remembered this article from a few days back and I felt it relevant to post it.. as an illustration of what Iraq is NOT doing, (or any legitimate democracy).. Iraq is not disqualifying eveyone who is not in government from running, like Iran is:

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Outside View: Lift ban on Iran opposition
Published: Feb. 8, 2008
By LORD DHOLAKIA
UPI Outside View Commentator

LONDON, Feb. 8 (UPI) -- On Jan. 24, the Iranian regime's Interior Ministry announced that more than 2,000 so-called reformists had been disqualified from running in the upcoming parliamentary elections, effectively ensuring that allies of the regime's ultra-conservative president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would retain and perhaps strengthen their hold on the 290-seat Parliament come March 14.

The announcement came less than 48 hours after the U.N. Security Council's permanent five members and Germany reached an agreement to impose new sanctions on the regime over its refusal to abandon its uranium enrichment activities in line with demands by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

The international community is right to be concerned about the regime's illegal activities on the global arena, but it should pay an equally warranted level of attention to the mullahs' domestic clampdown on dissent.

In January, state media reported authorities amputated the hands and legs of five individuals for being "mohareb" (or "waging war on God"), a charge often leveled against political opponents of the Islamic Republic. Over the past 27 years, the theocratic dictatorship has executed more than 120,000 of its political opponents, mostly affiliated with the main democratic opposition movement People's Mojahedin Organisation of Iran.

Recently, I was witness to footage smuggled out by Iranian exiles of women being beaten by security forces in Iran. The face covered in blood of one of the women I saw reminded me of the enormous price the Iranian people are paying for freedom.

It is now time for Prime Minister Gordon Brown's government to admit to their past mistakes and lift the ban on the PMOI. The Iranian people have a right to resist against a regime that refuses to allow the slightest political opposition to its illegitimate rule and which employs more than 170 forms of torture. We in the West should be assisting them politically by openly supporting the president-elect of the Iranian Resistance, Maryam Rajavi, and isolating the regime through comprehensive sanctions.

Rajavi has said time and again that neither war nor appeasement is the solution to the Iranian problem. She states unequivocally that there is a third option: support for the Iranian people and resistance to bring about democratic change in Iran. At a time when the mullahs' regime has become the main international pariah, we should heed Rajavi's wise words by first of all lifting the ban on the PMOI.

(Lord Dholakia of Waltham Brooks OBE DL is deputy leader of the United Kingdom's Liberal Democrat Party)

http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Emerging_Threats/Analysis/2008/02/08/outside_view_lift_ban_on_iran_opposition/1315/

In light of this, I think Iraq is doing well to call for new elections and should get them.
However, the Iraqi parliament NOT setting a date for those elections and stalling the process of reform is a concern.
They should not be overthrowing the will of the people and stagnating the process.
If they had legitimate progress it would be fine to squabble about the process of reform.
But if one third of the cabinet is willing to move to get a new government, they should be able to exercise their will for the Iraqi people and start a new parliament which hopefully will more properly reflect the concerns of the populace, break the deadlock they have and move the Iraqi parliamentary process of making laws - like the HCL law - forward.
For that is what truly representative democracies are about.

Sara.

-- February 13, 2008 9:31 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Some good news.
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Baghdad, 13 February 2008 (Voices of Iraq)
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A leading member of the Shiite United Iraqi Coalition on Tuesday uncovered the details of the accord agreed upon by parliamentarian blocs to pass the three key laws that have been postponed several times before.

"The talks among blocs reached an agreement to pass three key laws of the fiscal budget for calendar year 2008, the council of provinces not classified with a region, and the amnesty law," Hassan al-Suneid, UIC member, told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI).

He added "Voting on these laws will be on Tuesday at 6 pm (3 GMT) after overcoming all obstacles that blocked voting over these laws."

Earlier, Sami al-Askari, a leading member from the Shiite United Iraqi Coalition (UIC)on Tuesday said the parliamentarian blocs agreed on the calendar year 2008 budget, the law of province’s not classified within a region, and the amnesty law that were postponed several times before.

He added "the parliament speaker delayed the session until 6 pm afternoon (3GMT) to ensure they have the final copies of the laws printed."

As for the fiscal 2008 budget, al-Suneid noted "It has been agreed to give Kurdistan 17% share of the budget provided that the government should have carried out the project pf 2008 population."

He pointed out "A settlement was reached on the problem of the Kurdistan region guards known as Peshmerga by authorizing the council of minister to negotiate with region’s presidency to set the fund of these forces."

The MP also stressed the addition of new items to the province council’s law that eased a number of blocs concerns.

"It has been agreed upon to add a new item that ensures appointing and sacking governors without giving full control to the federal authority so that the rule shared between the parliaments, council of ministers and the province’s local council," the lawmaker highlighted.

As for the amnesty law, al-Suneid said "A new article urging the Iraqi government to move detainees and inmates from the detention centers of Multi-National Forces to Iraqi prisons to include them in the amnesty law."

Kurds insisted on having 17% of the country's budget to the objection of legislators of the UIC, the Sunni Iraqi Accordance Front (IAF), which holds 35 seats, and former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's National Iraqi Movement (22 seats).

The UIC called to approve the law of provinces not classified together with the 2008 budget, claiming they were several common items with the budget appropriations that necessitated having the two laws together.

While the Sunni IAF and Muqtada al-Sadr parliamentary bloc insisted on having the amnesty law finalised citing pressure from their people to set free scores of unconvicted detainees in MNF detention centers
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 13, 2008 9:42 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

If true, this questions U.S. policy of arming some groups within Iraq.
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Diyala police ask U.S. troops’ help in battle with U.S.-backed militias
By Hussain al-Yaaqoubi

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13 February 2008 (Azzaman)
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Fierce clashes between U.S.-backed Sunni militias and Iraqi police have prompted U.S. occupation troops in the country to interfere.

But the troops have opted to side with the police against the Sunni tribal militias they created, trained, financed and armed to fight al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Tensions are high in the restive Diyala Province of which Baaquba is the capital with the Sunni militias threatening to turn their guns against U.S. troops and the Shiite-dominated government if their demands are not met.

One crucial demand Sunni militia tribal leaders are not willing to compromise is the removal of the police chief Ghanim al-Quraishi who they say is involved in sectarian violence.

It is not clear whether U.S. troops will succeed in negotiating a deal amid reports that the Sunni tribal militia leaders in the province suspect U.S. intentions.

The government fears if it relents, the move might send the wrong signal to other U.S.-supported Sunni militias to press for new demands.

Such militias known as Majalis Sahwa, or Awakening Councils, have bases in major Sunni-dominated areas in Iraq.

But they are reported to have closed down their office in Diyala and stopped cooperating with U.S. troops in the fight against al-Qaeda, which itself is predominantly a Sunni violent group.

Iraqi troops and police are on alert in the province and there are reports that the government is to send additional forces to back them up.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 13, 2008 9:45 AM


Sara wrote:

Save Your Own Life...

Final Part E - Pregnenolone - the "Mother Hormone" to DHEA and balancer..

DHEA is a wonderful supplement, but I found an even better supplement which is not only a precursor for DHEA.. but it actually has no deleterious effects even with large doses of it. In very large doses DHEA can have bad effects.
QUOTE:

Animal studies have shown that extremely high daily doses of DHEA (from 2000 to 10,000 mg. in human terms) caused liver damage in mice and rats. When antioxidants were given along with mega doses of DHEA, liver damage did not occur in animal tests. It should be noted that the amount of DHEA shown to cause liver damage is 20 times more than is necessary to produce benefits. http://www.naturalways.com/DHEA.htm (Also see this same page for "DHEA Dosing and Safety Precautions.")

==end quote==

In contrast to DHEA, this supplement, called Pregnenolone, has no deleterious effects even with large doses and also balances the hormones... which is very important as hypothalmus damage is an unbalancer (causing things like insomnia problems - the result of lack of balance in the body concerning the hormones responsible for sleep). If you are concerned about hypothalmus damagers in the food supply and how to protect yourself from the diseases which occur as a result of that damage, here is some information on Pregnenolone, which I highly recommend to try first.. and then if you wish, with DHEA (both of which are readily available in the US, say, at Puritan.com, see below).

As a side note - for a friend of mine who visits the board and has arthritis.. this is the supplement I think will do the most good of any I could recommend for treating arthritis. It was used in the 1940s successfully as a treatment for rheumatoid arthritis, but was unpatentable, so the drug companies dropped it in the 1950s. The drug companies then went with synthetic cortisone, the effects of which are instant, whereas this natural substance is cumulative and felt over a period of weeks. Cortisone turned out to have some pretty nightmarish side effects - such as dampening the immune system and making patients susceptible to infection and having a destructive effect on bone mass, leaving patients vulnerable to osteoporosis, whereas this natural substance has no side effects at all. (ref7) The name of this natural substance used to treat arthritis in the 1940s is Pregnenolone.

Pregnenolone is made from cholesterol in the body. Cholesterol is a critical component in the production of steroid hormones. In a complex series of steps, cholesterol is broken down into different steroid hormones as the body needs them. It is first synthesized into Pregnenolone and used by the body in that form. What is not utilized undergoes a chemical change that "repackages" it into DHEA. DHEA, in turn, is used by the body as DHEA and is also broken down into estrogen and testosterone. This chain of hormones is known as the "steroid pathway." Because Pregnenolone gives birth to the other hormones, it is sometimes referred to as the "parent hormone," which is probably the origin of its odd-sounding name. As Pregnenolone drops, so does the production of the other hormones in the steroid pathway. Pregnenolone provides the raw material for these other hormones, and as levels of Pregnenolone decline, so will the levels of the other hormones that are made from it. (ref8)

Pregnenolone
edited by Dan Milosevich, C.N.

When Pregnenolone was discovered in the 1930's, researchers at first thought it was an inert substance, because when they gave it to healthy young animals, it had no effect. Further studies in the 30's and 40's showed Pregnenolone to be a most promising supplement for preventing and curing stress-related maladies. This indicates an amazing quality of Pregnenolone: it does not cause problems when taken even if not needed, but when needed it can quickly and profoundly restore balance to the basic stress chemistry of the body. This is especially important today, as some researchers propose that unrelieved stress is the major contributing factor to chronic illness.

Before it was pushed aside by the promotion of other hormones such as cortisone and their analogs such as prednisone, Pregnenolone was known to have a wide range of beneficial actions for people who were sick or under stress. These included helping arthritic conditions, countering fatigue, and in general improving the quality of life and awareness. Because it occurs naturally, it cannot be patented. We now know that these other patentable chemicals, even though promoted as "wonder drugs", have very bad side effects. For example, synthetic varieties of cortisone can weaken immunity and can cause osteoporosis, diabetes, and rapid aging, with loss of pigment in the skin and hair. Pregnenolone at worst will have no effect - in healthy, unstressed subjects - and in sick or stressed people, will promote the correction of such problems as these. Reputable researchers such as Ray Peat, Ph.D., can find no unbalancing or deleterious effect even with large doses of Pregnenolone.

Although DHEA is the most abundant naturally-occurring hormone in the human body, the real "Mother Hormone" is pregnenolone, not DHEA. The internal synthesis of steroid hormones begins when the body converts cholesterol to Pregnenolone, creating the basic hormonal substance. From pregnenolone, there are two major pathways: one toward DHEA and one toward progesterone. The hormones in the progesterone pathway, including aldosterone, cortisol and Progesterone itself, are not directly derivable from DHEA. This means that although DHEA can be a remarkable help in the case of DHEA, estrogen, or testosterone deficiency, the truly balancing hormonal substance is Pregnenolone. In fact, even when taking DHEA, better results may be obtained by taking Pregnenolone as well.

Pregnenolone levels, like DHEA levels, decline with age. It is present in young people of both sexes at a very high level, in part due to the fact that it is one of our basic defenses against the harmful side effects that an imbalance of even our natural hormones can produce. For instance, when there is an abundance of Pregnenolone, the side effects of excessive cortisol or estrogen are prevented or minimized. By the age of 30, men and women typically produce 30 to 50 mg. of Pregnenolone a day. Taking Pregnenolone does not cause masculinizing effects in women, like high levels of DHEA can, because it is much less likely to increase testosterone levels.

Recent studies indicate that it may also be the most potent and quick-acting brain nutrient ever found, working in part through its impact on N-methyl-D-aspartate receptors in the brain. It blocks the inhibitory amino acids glycine and GABA, helping to balance excitation and inhibition in the central nervous system. As early as the 1940's, human studies demonstrated that it improved performance of ordinary physical and mental tasks, and we now know why: Pregnenolone is one of the major hormones in the brain. It is concentrated there, and some of it is produced by certain brain cells. It continues it's basic role even here, protecting brain cells from injury caused by fatigue. It likely has other important roles in the brain which we have yet to discover.

According to Peat, Pregnenolone very quickly helps fatigued, stressed people regain their ability to handle stress, sometimes with a single dose. He has noticed that it can keep acting for as long as a week, and he theorizes that absorption continues along the intestine and "recycles" it in the body. It may even improve the body's ability to produce its own Pregnenolone. It also tends to improve function of the thyroid and other glands. It can have a calming effect on the emotions, giving a mood of resilience and an ability to confront challenges. Also, people have noticed that Pregnenolone has a "face-lifting" action, produced by improved circulation to the skin, and by an actual contraction of some muscle-like cells in the skin. A similar effect can improve joint mobility in arthritis, tissue elasticity in the lungs, oxygen depletion in emphysema, and even eye conditions, including the bulging eyes of Graves disease.

The conversion of cholesterol to Pregnenolone is aided by the presence of sufficient vitamin A, vitamin E, thyroid hormone, copper, and light, and can be blocked by too much estrogen, X-rays, ultraviolet light, unsaturated oils, and iron. From reports we have heard, it seems to be easily absorbed when taken orally. Of the many supplements which are important components of a good health plan, Pregnenolone stands out as one of the best. It is a natural nutritional substance that is powerfully beneficial and yet utterly safe. If you are taking any adrenal hormones, you may want to take Pregnenolone along with them. If you are still considering taking DHEA or other hormones, consider trying Pregnenolone first. As always, we recommend working with your doctor and getting your hormone levels checked first, which can easily be done with a home-based saliva test from Aeron Labs. Their number is 1-800-631-7900.

Much of this information was derived from the writings of Ray Peat, Ph.D., a researcher we hold in the highest regard. Please consider getting his newsletter.

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I like Puritan's Pride. They have a special on now, buy two bottles of something, get the third free.. and they sell Pregnenolone (and DHEA). They are very good vitamins and you may wish to consider Puritan's Pride.. the url for Pregnenolone is here:

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I think that Pregnenolone solves most of the problems which occur in the body as a result of hypothalmus damage. QUOTE from above: "it is one of our basic defenses against the harmful side effects that an imbalance of even our natural hormones can produce." This balancing of hormonal levels and the fact that it protects brain cells from injury make it the ideal supplement to protect the body from the hormonal damage from ingesting excitotoxins in the diet. It is certainly worth a try, since if you have no imbalance, damage or depletion there is no effect from taking the supplement whatsoever. Pregnenolone has the two pathways it takes, and along those pathways, it is broken down into DHEA, estrogen and testosterone. It balances those hormones. So if they are out of balance due to hormonal damage from hypothalmus gland excitotoxin damage, this helps.. a lot. It helps in the production of that which is lacking, but it will not "overdose" the body but will balance it out. It is truly a remarkable hormone, and it is worth supplementing in the case of depletion due to the body sustaining hypothalmic damage from excitotoxins in the Western diet. I also wish they would give it to those in the Armed Forces who suffer from combat stress, as it would help them tremendously by balancing out their hormonal levels and making it so they can cope with battle fatigue and stress (such as post traumatic stress disorder) without the need for drugs (drugs have side effects, Pregnenolone has NONE).

Taking Pregnenolone

Usual dose for pregnenolone is 50 mg daily in the morning. You should notice modest improvement within hours of taking it, but the effects are cumulative so the true benefits are felt over time. If you are taking it to treat arthritis, you will need to be more patient. Studies show it may take several weeks before you will feel appreciably better. Still, I think it is worth the wait. Unlike other arthritis treatments, pregnenolone is safe and has no known side effects.(ref9)

Sara.

ref 7 The Superhormone Promise by William Regelson, M.D. Pgs 110-111.
ref 8 " "P. 104
ref 9 " " P. 255

-- February 13, 2008 10:12 AM


Sara wrote:

Iraq: Lawmakers Pass 3 Key New Laws
Iraqi Lawmakers Pass Laws Setting Date for Provincial Elections and Allotting 2008 Budget
The Associated Press
BAGHDAD Feb 13, 2008 (AP)

Iraq's parliament on Wednesday passed three key pieces of legislation that set a date for provincial elections, allot $48 billion for 2008 spending, and provide limited amnesty to detainees in Iraqi custody.

The three measures were bundled together for one vote to satisfy the demands of minority Kurds.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4282721

-- February 13, 2008 12:17 PM


Sara wrote:

U.S.-Wanted Terror Suspect Killed in Syria
Hezbollah Announced Death of Imad Mougniyeh Wanted for Several Terror Attacks
Reporter's Notebook By SIMON MCGREGOR-WOOD
JERUSALEM, Feb. 13, 2008

Imad Mughniyeh, the elusive senior Hezbollah commander who the group said Wednesday was killed, Lebanon, Beirut Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008. Fugitive militant Imad Mughniyeh, a top U.S. target suspected in the killings of hundreds of Americans as well as a series of infamous strikes against U.S., Israeli and Jewish targets, was killed in a car bomb blast in the Syrian capital Damascus, Iranian television and a Syrian human rights group said Wednesday. Hezbollah accused Israel for the assassination. Israel in response quickly denied involvement saying, "Israel rejects the attempt by terror groups to attribute to it any involvement in this incident."

Although he managed an impeccably low profile, Imad Mughniyeh was an extremely important figure in the underground world of terrorism. His death is a significant achievement for the intelligence organization that caused it.
Beginning as a Lebanese Shiite militant leading attacks against U.S. targets in his native Lebanon, he transformed himself in recent years into a significant player at the political and strategic level.

His resume is filled with some of the most notorious attacks against U.S. and Israeli targets in the last three decades. He morphed from a gunslinger for Yasser Arafat's elite Force 17 in the 1970s into an ideological convert for Hezbollah.

During the early 1980s he masterminded the attacks against the U.S. Embassy and the barracks in Beirut, the hijacking of TWA 847 where he was famously photographed hanging out of the cockpit window, bomb attacks against Israeli diplomatic targets in South America and some think he coordinated the dispatching of the truck bomb that brought down the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia.

In his most recent incarnation he wore a suit and was welcomed in the highest corridors of power in both Damascus, Syria, and Tehran, Iran. He was the link man between Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards for the rearming of Hezbollah and was even rumored to have attended a 2006 meeting between Syrian President Bashar Assad and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Damascus.

In the early 1990s he visited Sudan and is thought to have met Osama bin Laden. Some intelligence agencies believe he was behind the escape of leading al Qaeda figures to Iran in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies have been pursuing him for years. It is alleged he had plastic surgery to change his appearance, and in 1996 there was confusion about an aborted U.S. special forces operation to arrest him on a ship in the Persian Gulf. All of which has only added to his reputation for being a survivor, and may explain his nickname, "the Fox."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4282355&page=1

-- February 13, 2008 12:27 PM


Sara wrote:

Iraq MPs finally approve flagship bills
Wed Feb 13, 2008

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraqi MPs unanimously approved three flagship bills, including a delayed state budget for 2008, on Wednesday ending weeks of brinkmanship that had sparked talk of a possible dissolution of parliament.

"We adopted three bills unanimously, including the budget," first deputy speaker Khaled al-Attiya told reporters after the session.

The other two bills adopted were an amnesty law and one setting out the powers of the provinces and procedures for provincial elections.

The passing of the bills had been among 18 "benchmarks" set by Washington to measure the pace of political reconciliation in Iraq.

Attiya said the provincial powers law had been stalled in parliament for more than one year.

"The provinces, once the law is applied, will enjoy greater powers to launch their own development and reconstruction projects with the money allocated to them," he said.

"They will have guaranteed freedoms away from the controls of central government," he added.

The budget projects revenues of 42 billion dollars and a fiscal deficit of six billion dollars.

Economists say the deficit should pose no problems as almost 80 percent of Iraq's 48 billion dollar 2008 budget is financed through oil revenues, which are expected to rise.

"The potential increase in revenue brought by higher oil prices could generate a national income windfall for Iraq, providing new funds for Iraq's relief and reconstruction."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080213/world/iraq_politics_parliament

-- February 13, 2008 3:10 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I have just read where Parliment has recessed for the next five weeks. Since I am unfamiliar with the Muslim holidays and festivals any clarification what reasoning lies behind this recess.

If the past is any indicator, the parlimentarians may get more done while on recess than in session. We will have to wait and see.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 13, 2008 3:14 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraq sets stage for new provincial elections in October; Washington applauds move

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February 13, 2008 12:50 PM

and

QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA

Associated Press Writers

BAGHDAD (AP) - Parliament cleared the way Wednesday for provincial elections this year that could give Sunnis a stronger voice and usher in vast changes to Iraq's power structure.

The new law - which set the vote for Oct. 1 - is one of the most sweeping reforms pushed by the Bush administration and signals that Iraq's politicians finally, if grudgingly, may be ready for small steps toward reconciliation.

Passage of benchmark reforms on healing the country's sectarian and ethnic rifts - along with a reduction in violence - were the primary goals of the 30,000-strong U.S. troop increase that President Bush ordered early last year.

Violence has dropped significantly, but political progress languished until the logjam broke Wednesday by the narrowest of margins. Before the vote, the only significant measure to emerge from parliament had been a law that allows reinstatement to government jobs of some low-level members of Saddam Hussein's former Baath party.

The outcome of the October elections is likely to reshape Iraq's political map.

Sunnis, who sat out 2005 elections, could claim a much stronger role in Iraqi political affairs. Already, Sunnis have provided critical help in security by joining the U.S.-led battles against al-Qaida in Iraq and other insurgents.

Among Iraq's majority Shiites, the election could be an important test of strength for rival factions fighting for control of oil-rich southern Iraq.

The Bush administration hailed the laws' passage.

''Many said that Iraq's communities couldn't relate to each other. Their grievances, their distrusts were so profound, they couldn't reach fundamental compromises. Well, we've never believed that that was a correct assessment,'' David Satterfield, senior adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, said in an interview with Associated Press Radio.

A joint statement in Baghdad by the U.S. Embassy and American forces ''warmly'' congratulated the Iraqis on the legislation and called it a ''significant commitment to address important issues and find political bases on which to move forward.''

Debate on the provincial election measure was raucous and ended in an 82-82 tie, broken by parliament Speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, a Sunni. Tuesday night, he threatened to disband the legislature and call early elections because lawmakers had been unable to compromise or even maintain a quorum.

U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker voiced satisfaction that his labors - pushing and prodding Iraqi politicians - were showing results.

''These are difficult issues. They required a lot of effort, a lot of compromise, but they are important steps forward,'' he said at a news conference shortly after the vote.

The provincial elections and powers law was bundled together with the $48 billion 2008 budget and another measure that grants limited amnesty to prisoners being held in Iraqi custody.

Kurds, who operate from a semiautonomous region in the north of the country, insisted on the unusual legislative maneuver because they feared getting double-crossed on a deal that maintained their 17 percent share of the national budget.

Post-Saddam spending had allocated 17 percent for the Kurds on the assumption that the figure matched their share of Iraq's total population. But there has not been a census in years, and some Shiite and Sunni politicians claimed Kurds should be cut back to about 14 percent as a more realistic reflection of their numbers.

After much haggling, the 2008 budget assured the Kurds of 17 percent but demands a new census before the year is out to direct spending in 2009 and beyond.

The provincial law calls for new elections in all Iraq's provinces, except those in the Kurdish region. The newly elected councils will then elect an executive committee and appoint a governor, the top provincial official.

The law calls for the provinces to work with the United Nations on how the elections will operate and whether candidates will be selected by parties and voted on as a list or be listed on the ballot individually.

Most important, the measure would allow provinces to band together into regional bodies that would begin making many decisions that now rest with the authorities in Baghdad.

It was widely expected, as well, that many of the Pentagon's new Sunni allies in places like Anbar province - the so-called Awakening Councils - would hotly contest for seats this time around, after snubbing elections in 2005.

Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr also was said to strongly back the measure as a means of unseating rival politicians of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, who now have a lock on power in Shiite provinces.

Both al-Sadr and the Supreme Council, lead by Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, both have powerful militias that already clash frequently. Several al-Hakim-backed governors have been assassinated.

Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, was said to back the provincial election law because it was widely believed the al-Sadr faction would be the big winner in Shiite provinces - reducing the power of al-Hakim, who is the Iraqi leader's main rival.

Parliament immediately adjourned for a five-week break after the contentious measures were passed. They still must be approved by Iraq's three-man presidency council.

But some important struggles remain for lawmakers. Still pending - and not likely to be resolved soon - is a measure that would divide Iraq's oil wealth, one of the most vexing problems facing both parliament and the government.

In the southern city of Basra, an Iraqi interpreter for CBS News was handed over to authorities Wednesday, but a British journalist working for the network remained in captivity, said Police Brig. Gen. Shamkhi Jassim.

Journalists saw the interpreter being escorted by police from the same hotel where he and the journalist were seized on Sunday.

The director of al-Sadr's office in Basra said negotiations were continuing for the journalist's release.

Kidnappings of Westerners and Iraqis - for political motives or ransom - were common in the past but have become infrequent recently with a decline in violence.

(http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...44432593848638)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 13, 2008 4:06 PM


Sara wrote:

That is a great article, Rob N.
I like that there will be change.
QUOTE:

The outcome of the October elections is likely to reshape Iraq's political map.

At least we can hope things will move forward for the Iraqis.
It didn't look very good there for a bit -
I think everyone was fed up with no movement forward.

I am glad they were able to come to a consensus on these things.

Sara.

-- February 13, 2008 9:17 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

It looks as though the CBI's monetary policy will stay the same for the time being. Do not expect a radical revaluation of the Dinar in 2008. Our next opportunity to have a significant change in the exchange rate may be the conclusion of the current stand by agreement ending in 2009.

In the long term health of the country the system of the managed rate must be abandoned and allow the currency to free float within specific limits restricted by the amount of reserves possessed by Iraq in both in Dinars and Gold. Only by a policy of a free floating currency can the real rate of the Iraqi Dinar be reached. A free floating currency is the only method to offset the inflation expected to dominate the Iraqi economy once the oil begins to be extracted.

Until the Dinar is allowed to free float within the parameters of currency reserves and gold, this currency will remain undervalued. An undervalued currency will continue limit the amount of purchasing power of the average iraq.

It is our hope between now and the ending of the Standby agreement the Hydro Carbon Law can be passed by parliment. Concerning the HCL, it is necessary for the Iraqis to pass a law that benefits them and allows them to keep control of their natural resources while at the sametime attracting BP, Exxon/Mobil, and Royal Dutch Shell to invest in the country.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 13, 2008 11:35 PM


Sara wrote:

Well said, Rob N.

You have certainly stated the status of the Dinar well when you said, "..the system of the managed rate must be abandoned and allow the currency to free float... Until the Dinar is allowed to free float within the parameters of currency reserves and gold, this currency will remain undervalued. An undervalued currency will continue limit the amount of purchasing power of the average iraqi."

That is the problem. Until they let the Dinar free float, the average Iraqi lives at little better than a poverty rate.

When you speak of how the Iraqis need their legislation in the HCL law to encorporate both the needs for the control their natural resources and the need to attract big oil players, this is very true. Oil is the lifeblood of their economy, and just like the oil giants deal fairly with other nations, they also wish to do fair business in Iraq. Certainly, both parties will benefit from the partnership.

Exxon, Shell: Iraq oil law needed for deal
Published: Feb. 13, 2008

HOUSTON, Feb. 13 (UPI) -- Iraq's legal framework is still uncertain, Big Oil firms say, though negotiations on oil and gas deals are ongoing and could wrap up by next month.

"Shell along with other major international oil companies are quite interested in future possibilities in the country of Iraq," Shell Gas and Power Executive Director Linda Cook said Wednesday at an international energy conference in Houston.

Iraq has the world's third-largest reserves of oil and sizeable gas reserves but is largely undeveloped and underexplored. Shell, ExxonMobil, BP and Chevron are in discussions with Iraq's Oil Ministry for special technical support contracts, a first step in Iraq's long-awaited development of its energy sector.

It doesn't have a modern oil law, however, relying on Saddam-era guidelines and, loosely, the framework of a draft but highly contentious new oil law.

"We have stated that we are interested in pursuing those when the conditions are right," Cook said, "conditions meaning safety and security of our own staff plus making sure that we're doing it in accordance with the laws that would be enacted by the country including the new oil law which has yet to be put through final legislative approval."

"My guess is every international oil company in the world, knowing Iraq is blessed with terrific god-given natural resources, is interested in Iraq," ExxonMobil Corporate Vice President Daniel Nelson said at CERAWeek, the world's largest annual energy conference. "I'm not giving any competitive secrets away there."

"There's an element of physical security that relates, that's so obvious it doesn't really bear discussion at great length," Nelson said. "More important is you have confidence you have a system of laws and a system of fiscal stability that's going to be together for not only the 6,7,8,9 years that it takes from the time you start up working in a venture to the time you have significant production and through that 30-year period you really need to get the returns back."

http://www.upi.com/International_Security/Energy/Briefing/2008/02/13/exxon_shell_iraq_oil_law_needed_for_deal/9680/

The oil majors need confidence in Iraq to invest and help the country with developing its resources.
That includes a good and fair HCL law where both sides benefit.
Then, with a free floating currency to buoy the average Iraqi's fortunes.. in time, the relationship of trust between the Iraqi government and the big oil companies will allow for oil patch development which will allow the Iraqi people to have prosperity, a future and a hope.

Sara.

-- February 14, 2008 12:29 AM


Roger wrote:

Free floating currency,

We can always wish.

Insanity in the region keeps the rational level on an insanity level.

Insanity will then be the norm.

The sane ones have the explanation that the way things have always been done, (the insane way) will forbid a sane solution, thus agreeing that the insane ways are stable, set and non negotiable.

Thus insanity in the region is perpetuated.

As change in the thinking, acting and teachings, is forbidden on religious grounds, as everything is religious, any change in thinking, acting or teachings will not take place until the fear of stepping over those boundaries are removed.

By removing those fears, it is necessary to remove or change Islam in it's current form, thus the removal is forbidden, unthinkable and acted against.

An internal religious revolution is probably not in the cards, so the changes has to come slowly, by letting the culture experience other ways of being, doing and having from outside sources.

Any of those sources will be a threat to the status quo o the religion, so the steps has to come slow.

T-shirt with AcDc, mascara , woman driver, head scarfs pulled away as far as they get away with, showing a liiitle leg, next year a liiiiitle bit more, heard about someone that got drunk, know someone that got drunk, got drunk, have a beer, have a beer with friends, play cards with the Imam, date a girl because she and the boy set it up, not the parents.

Don't give a rats ass if anyone is a Shiite or not, don't attend the mosque in a couple of days, don't attend the mosque in a couple of months, don't attend the mosque in a couple of years.

Get an opinion that you don't want the Imam or the Sheik to not interfere or run your life, get a couple of friends that get to the same conclusion.

That will be the slow but inevitable way.

If you have power but not use it, you will lose that power.

The Iraqi people have been voting on their representatives, but they have shown that they can't agree on most anything, very little gets done.

So we have three "key resolutions done".........is that all????

In effect the regime have done very very little, these very late in coming decisions is a case of ...too little, too late, and despite the media tells us that this is key decisions, the Iraqi population will not overnight suddenly, go out and waive the IRAQI flag, declaring themselves to be the sons and daughters of the one and only Iraq.

When you have power but not use it, you will lose it, so this government will most probably not survive, and as they are not using their powers, foreigners are "running" the economic system, with IFF, and WB breathing in the corridors.

Their military are not homogen, as to purpose, ideals and goals, so it's been a hard procedure to train the military to work as a homogen, ONE Iraqi force, and as it has not existed in any great numbers in the past, , they didn't use the power they had, they used their powers to enhance their own group, their own faction, their own part of the population, so foreign military are covering their butts.

And then they are going around being angry that foreign military are there.

So we're right back into the insanity loop again.


-- February 14, 2008 4:12 AM


Roger wrote:

Rob N,

Read you analysis of the Iraqi situation and must say that you have very good thought in this.

If there is one thing that I have a thought about, is that perhaps the emphasis on the HCL might be a bit overplayed.

It is of course a very good law, and it will enable the Iraqis to get some of the oil revenues, thus changing the economic situation on the ground, but, it will not come, unless you have the oil companies there, pumping the darn oil, so in sequence the importance is more that the IRAQIS HAVE TO GET THEM IN.

Secondly, as the revenues are flowing, then the HCL will have an effect.

It doesn't matter if they pass the HCL right at this moment, because right now their oil production is so low compared with it's projected level at full production, plus the revenues are about what the Iraq state needs, to get things turned and rolling right now, so there will not at this moment be much to share, so the point of getting it in, as quick as possible is pretty moot anyway.

Get the darn HCL done, but as first priority get the pumps going.

It wont matter if the whole Iraq was made of Gold, laws was put in place how to share the richness, but no one is digging it up.

-- February 14, 2008 4:30 AM


Roger wrote:

Neil,

You can pick up quite a bit on this Hydrogen stuff if you go to YouTube and punch in, keywords like: "the Hydrogen generator", "Hydrogen cell", "Hydrogen fuel" etc.

It IS free fuel, the trick is to generate volumes of it, for a low cost.

For vehicles, we're not up to the point where we can generate enough for continous use. We can continously produce enough to have as a supplement for the gas/diesel car, and make the car more efficient.

A car that runs completely on Hydrogen must bring with it Hydrogen from a stationary source.
Hydrogen can be made easy. You can heat the house, bake and cook, and anything you want.

No greenhouse gasses.

Someone living in the boondocks could easily get a hydrogen generator and be completely off the grid. A handy person could build one himself, and there is no mumbo jumbo in the physics.

California have only a couple of Hydrogen filling stations, but you could easily make your own production plant, and your own filling station at home.

You can make hydrogen with solar cells, generators, (runned by food grease for example), to more established power sources like ordinary powerplants.

Would we set up another ten nuclear powerplants that would produce hydrogen with their power, we could say bye bye to the arabs.

In fact, a hydrogen burning car, will CLEAN the air it is circulating through it's internals, so if you are running one of those, you will drive around like a big cleaning broom in your environment.

The fun part is that we are using water as the fuel.

Split it up....burn it...and you're right back to clean water again.

It is dripping out of the exhaust pipe, have a sip, it might save your life if you get stuck in the mud in the desert.

Just so you get an idea what the process involves, get a glass of water, fill it up, put some baking soda into it, (very little) and clamp on the edge of the glass on opposite side, a pair of start cable claws.

Clamp the other side of the cables onto the battery, one plus one minus, just as you ordinarily do when you are jumping a car, and watch what happens in the glass.

The gas that is coming up is pure fuel, from one side you will get about 2 parts Hydrogen and from the other side you will get 1 part Oxygen.

That is the basic process, no more no less.

Simple as that.

We've got rivers and oceans of it, and after it is used, it goes back to where it came from.

Splitting molecules is the easy part, now if I only could start splitting atoms.....

-- February 14, 2008 6:14 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

House Drafts Bill to Fund War Efforts
2/14/2008

House Drafts Bill to Fund War Efforts


By ANNE FLAHERTY – 16 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The leaders of a House panel that oversees military spending said Wednesday they are drafting legislation that would pay for combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan through the rest of the year.

Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, the top Democrat on the committee, predicted the proposal would be done by the end of the month.

Murtha and his Republican counterpart on the panel, Rep. C.W. Bill Young of Florida, said they hope lawmakers can put aside their differences on the war and focus on taking care of the troops.

"Our troops deserve better and I would hope that we can work together," Murtha told senior defense officials testifying before the House Appropriations defense subcommittee.

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England said such a bill would be extremely helpful because of the Pentagon's need to plan ahead.

"This delay is degrading our ability to operate and sustain the force at home and in theater, and it is making it difficult to manage this department in a way that is fiscally sound," England said.

President Bush has requested about $189 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for the 2008 budget year, which began Oct. 1. Congress has approved only about $87 billion, leaving the Defense Department $102.5 billion short.

Democratic leaders have said they believe the military has enough money to last through April. They also suggested they want to hear first from Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, before approving more money. He is expected to testify by mid-April, likely the week of April 7.

Murtha told reporters last week that while the legislation would give the military the money it needs, he will recommend it demand troops leave Iraq by the end of the year — a showstopper for the Bush administration. Murtha said he'll ask for other conditions such as that all deploying troops must be fully trained and equipped.

Similar bills scraped by on party line votes in the House last year only to fail in the Senate, where Democrats hold a more narrow margin of control and 60 votes are needed to overcome procedural hurdles. Unable to override a veto with the needed two-thirds majority, Democrats have been forced to strip anti-war language from past spending bills.

Young said he was hopeful the upcoming bill ultimately would provide the military with what it needs.

"The hardware that you need, the equipment that you need, training and training facilities that you need — we're going to do that," he said.

England testified in place of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who broke his right shoulder in a fall on an icy step at his home in Washington and was being treated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

Despite the apparent bipartisan support afforded England, frustration over Iraq erupted in House and Senate foreign affairs committees where Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was assailed by Democratic lawmakers.

In heated exchanges, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., took Rice to task for the enormous cost of the war, problems with the construction of the new U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and her role in the run-up to the conflict while she was Bush's national security adviser.

"How much more do you think we should spend in Iraq, especially since some of our states are already in a recession?" Boxer asked Rice in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"I can't give you an answer on how much more we need to spend in Iraq. I can tell you what I think we need to achieve in Iraq," Rice said, prompting an angry retort from Boxer, who said, "You have no answer," and tried to cut off further responses.

"I am not going to answer how much we need to spend. Force levels are being determined by the president and commanders on the ground," Rice said. "I don't think there is an answer to your question."

"Well, that is a sad statement that the lack of planning, foresight, there is no way out, there is no end in sight and no one knows what they are doing, and no one can answer it," Boxer told Rice.

Later, before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rice nearly got into a shouting match with Wexler, who asked whether the Bush administration had exaggerated its intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs to mislead the country into war.

"You have questioned my integrity," Rice responded, her voice quivering. "Congressman, I take my integrity very seriously and I did not at any time make a statement that I knew to be false or that I thought to be false in order to pump up anything. Nobody wants to go to war."

Associated Press writer Matthew Lee contributed to this report.


House Drafts Bill to Fund War Efforts - Source
(www.safedinar.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 14, 2008 11:21 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


UPDATE 2-S.Korea wins Kurdistan oil for construction deal

A second South Korean consortium has struck an oil deal with Iraq's Kurdish region, risking a sharp reaction from Baghdad but boosting shares in Ssangyong Engineering & Construction, which will lead a linked $12 billion construction programme.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 14, 2008 11:22 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraqi politicians open to Ahmadinejad's planned visit
By Basil Adas

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Baghdad, 14 February 2008 (Gulf News)
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A planned visit by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Iraq has brought a mixed reaction from politicians, although a date for the trip has not yet been confirmed.

Iraqi Foreign Ministry undersecretary Lubaid Abbawi confirmed to Gulf News that contacts between Baghdad and Tehran are setting a deadline for Ahmadinejad’s visit to Iraq.

The Iraqi foreign minister had earlier announced that the visit will be in early March, without giving a date.

Ahmadinejad’s visit will be the first by an Iranian president to Iraq in decades.

Omar Abdul Sattar, a member of the Sunni Islamic Party (headed by vice-president Tariq Al Hashimi), said: “Ahmadinejad’s visit represents a political message to Iraqis, Americans and the entire region: Iran is a regional superpower — the second force after Israel.”


“I think there is a possibility for Iranian-American coordination, unlike what has been said in the media over this visit. The agreement stems from the service provided by Americans for Iran in removing the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussain in Iraq,” said Sattar.

Fariad Rawanduzi, of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan led by Iraqi president Jalal Al Talabani, said: “The visit comes to strengthen the Iran-Iraq relationship and I do not think Iran wants to send a political message to Americans.”

Ebrahim Al Janabi, a prominent figure in the National Accordance Party, led by former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, had a mixed reaction. “We welcome it. But if Iranians want to formulate a political message to challenge the United Sates, it would be unacceptable and unwelcome by Iraqi forces”.

Shiite leader Moqtada Al Sadr’s movement, supported by Iran, welcomed the upcoming visit. Talal Al Saeedi, a Sadr spokesman, said: “Ahmadinejad’s visit is important to supporting Iraq to banish the American occupation and fight terrorism.”

Mariam Al Raies, former foreign affairs adviser to the Iraqi Prime Minister, thinks an Iran-US meeting is possible. “Regardless of criticism directed towards Iran, the president’s visit is important to support Iraq and the Iraqi government has to invest in this visit, to strengthen its role in calming the current tensions in Iranian-American relations.”

Sources in the Iraqi army said: “Something ironic about the Iranian President’s visit to Baghdad, the American army will play a key role in ensuring the safety of the visit despite Iranians asking the Iraqi government to carry out this task without Americans’ intervention and therefore probably the American role to protect President Nejad will be indirect and limited to logistical support of Iraqi security and army forces.”
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 14, 2008 11:26 AM


mattuk wrote:

Iraq says Iran president to visit Baghdad March 2
Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:11pm GMT

(adds quotes from Iran's ambassador to Iraq)

By Dean Yates

BAGHDAD, Feb 14 (Reuters) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will make a landmark visit to Baghdad on March 2 for talks with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and other officials, Iraq said on Thursday.

Ahmadinejad's visit will be the first to Iraq by the president of the Islamic Republic, which is at loggerheads with the United States over the causes of violence in Iraq as well as Tehran's nuclear programme.

Washington accuses Iran of giving weapons and training to Shi'ite militias in Iraq, including armour-piercing bombs known as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) that have killed hundreds of U.S. troops. Tehran denies the charges.

Iran, a predominantly Shi'ite Muslim country, and Iraq fought an eight-year war in the 1980s in which hundreds of thousands were killed.

Ties have improved since Sunni Arab strongman Saddam Hussein was ousted in the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 and a Shi'ite Islamist-led government came to power in Baghdad.

Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Ahmadinejad would visit Iraq for two days.

"It's significant in the sense that Iraq wants to have good relations with Iran (but) there should be no interference in Iraq's internal affairs," Dabbagh told Reuters. Both Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Maliki have visited Iran.

Dabbagh added Iran should respect Iraq's choice to have relations with the countries it chose to.

Hassan Kazemi-Qomi, Iran's ambassador to Iraq, told the official IRNA news agency the trip would take place on March 2.

UPSET WASHINGTON?

Some analysts have said the visit would irk Washington, but the White House on Thursday voiced support for the trip, so long as Iran stopped supporting militias in Iraq. Ahmadinejad often speaks out against the U.S. military presence in Iraq.

"We want Iran and Iraq to have good relations," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said in a statement. "The fastest way for that to happen is for Iran to stop supporting extremists in Iraq who kill innocent Iraqis and Americans."

A Tehran-based Iranian analyst said the visit would be a setback to Washington's efforts to isolate Iran.

"(The visit) will go against American propaganda against Iran," said the analyst, who declined to be identified.

"(The Americans) are saying Iraqi leaders are not happy with Iranian interference and provocation inside Iraq. This visit will show Iraqi leaders are not really concerned with an Iranian threat ... They are not openly opposing the Iranian position."

The announcement of the date for Ahmadinejad's visit came hours after Iraqi officials said Iran had postponed talks with the United States on improving security in Iraq. Those talks had been scheduled to take place in Baghdad on Friday.

"This was supposed to take place on this week's Friday, but based on latest evaluation and because of technical issues, these negotiations have been postponed but we are still firm on holding them," Kazemi-Qomi told IRNA.

Iraq's U.S.-backed government, still dependent on U.S. forces to protect its borders, has said it does not want to be caught in the middle of any Washington/Tehran dispute.

In 1980, the Iraq-Iran war was triggered by a quarrel over the Shatt al-Arab waterway forming their common southern border. It was one of the deadliest conflicts in Middle East history. (Additional reporting by Edmund Blair in Tehran and Matt Spetalnick in Washington; Writing by Tim Cocks, Editing by Matthew Jones)

-- February 14, 2008 3:06 PM


mattuk wrote:

First Wave of Iraq State Investment Opportunities to be Signed at Historic Summit
February 07, 2008

The summit, to take place in Dubai on 19-20 April 2008, comes following the decision by Minister Hariri to open up Iraqs state owned industries to the global market. This will allow international companies the opportunity to be joint venture partners, as Iraq begins its journey from centrally planned economy to regional economic powerhouse.

Such partnerships and production sharing agreements will play a leading role in Iraq's industrial rehabilitation. Over 40 of the country's most productive and lucrative state owned enterprises are now looking to enter into such agreements, having been given the go-ahead by the Ministry.

Therefore, a senior delegation of Iraqi officials will be travelling to Dubai to sign agreements with operators and investors for these opportunities. The delegation will be led by the Minister and will feature the six leading director generals from the Ministry, government legal advisors and advisors from the Office of the Prime Minister. The officials are responsible for Iraq's six primary industrial sectors, these being petrochemicals, food and pharmaceuticals, construction, engineering, industrial services and textiles.

Participation is strongly recommended for all international operators, the summit providing one of the first opportunities to participate in the development of Iraq’s largest non-oil sectors and sign letters of intent with the director generals individually responsible for over 40 of Iraq’s leading state owned enterprises. For a full list of Iraq's state owned enterprises please visit the Ministry website: www.industry.gov.iq

-- February 14, 2008 3:15 PM


mattuk wrote:

Hi Roger and Rob.N and all......That site listed at the end of my last posting...www.industry.gov.iq, which I reckon is on the up and up...looks quite interesting...what do you think? Matt
P.S Thats interesting stuff about the hydrogen fuel..cheers

-- February 14, 2008 3:29 PM


Sara wrote:

Excellent news, mattuk.
Great post.. thanks! :)

Roger - appreciated the posts.

Rob N - good news/posts, however.. I read online that the Iranians today have pulled out of the talks you posted of.

As for news today..

This gave me concern for our safety.

What do you think - are the Dems playing politics with American lives and the security of the American homeland?

IMHO, people who play with the safety of the nation and American lives are not responsible people..

and should not be allowed into positions of rulership where their lack of foresight can imperil our loved ones.

==

Republicans walk out of House
By Sean Lengell
February 14, 2008

House Republicans today walked out of the chamber en masse to protest the Democratic leaders' refusal to revisit an update of the nation's domestic wiretapping rules before the current law expires at midnight tomorrow.

Minority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio led the walkout, saying Democrats were playing political games by calling a vote on contempt charges against White House chief of staff Josh Bolten and former White House counsel Harriet Miers in the 2006 firing of U.S. attorneys.

Republicans say that the wiretapping law should be addressed first and is paramount to national security must be not be allowed to expire.

But House Democrats say they are willing to let the surveillance law lapse Saturday without replacement legislation...

The House yesterday rejected a Democratic proposal for a temporary 21-day extension to the nation's domestic wiretapping laws, setting up a showdown with President Bush, who is insisting on a permanent fix before the current extension expires in two days.

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/NATION/740666571/1001

-- February 14, 2008 4:07 PM


Sara wrote:

I stand corrected.. it was the US talks with Iran that Iran pulled out of.. not the visit to Iraq:

===

Iran postpones talks with U.S. on Iraq
By Alexandra Zavis, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
February 14, 2008

BAGHDAD -- American officials ratcheted up the accusations against Iran today as Tehran postponed another round of negotiations with the United States over security in Iraq.

The development came as the Iraqi government announced that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would arrive March 2 for a two-day visit, the first such trip by an Iranian leader since the two countries fought a devastating war in the 1980s that killed or injured an estimated 1 million people.

"My understanding was that there was an agreement to meet on Friday, but we have been informed that Iran postponed the meeting," Mirembe Nantongo, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Embassy in Iraq, said today. "We have been saying for weeks that we are ready to sit down and talk, and it has become increasingly clear that the Iranians are not."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraqiran15feb15,1,1015533.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

-- February 14, 2008 4:16 PM


Sara wrote:

U.S. releases 300 detainees in Iraq
Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Thursday, February 14, 2008

The U.S. military released some 300 detainees from facilities in Iraq on Wednesday and Thursday, bringing the total number of releases for the year so far to 1,617, officials said.

Release ceremonies are now held once each month and are presided over by both U.S. and Iraqi officials.

The former detainees go through a review board process and are released when “they are deemed to no longer be an imperative threat to Iraqi and Coalition forces and the security of Iraq,” according to a news release. They also make a “pledge” to an Iraqi judge to reject violence.

According to the U.S. military, there are now around 24,000 detainees in the U.S. military system in Iraq. They are split between two locations — Camp Cropper in western Baghdad and Camp Bucca in southern Iraq.

They are classified as “detainees” and not “prisoners” because “prisoners are those individuals who have been tried in an Iraqi court of law, convicted of an Iraqi crime and currently serving a prison sentence,” according to a spokesman with the U.S. military detention program.

“Detainees” are people “held in Coalition facilities because they are deemed an ‘imperative threat to security.’”

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=52459

-- February 14, 2008 4:32 PM


Roger wrote:

Rob N.

Barbara Boxer, the women you reported on in one of your blogs, is a nightmare.

If you or I would write bad checks we would probably be in jail if it was in volume.

Barbara Boxer during her first time period in the Senate, wrote over 1000 bad checks.

Then the California voters, voted her straight back in again.

Mattuk,

There is a lot of interesting stuff happening in Iraq right now, despite the lameness of it's government.

Iraq's Ministry of Minerals and Industry are saying that they will try to get rid of their companies. Most of the companies in Iraq have been state owned, as it has been a Stalinistic Pseudo Communistic, Saddam dictator ship for a very very long time.

That means that there will be a broad base of industry that will trade on the ISX, for anyone and his brother to invest into.

IMF (yuk) have in it's latest review had nothing but prise for Iraq and it's progress. Despite a situation where the security is not fully handled, the prognosis are in high numbers when it comes to future development.

Oil companies are right now fighting in the corridors in the Iraqi Oil Ministry, and you should see a very good development during this year.

This will probably put an end to a very conservative economic policy, where the keyword have been "stability" for a long long time.

As the economy is heating up, (finally) the pressure on the higher Dinar value will rise.

Two or three more years, and probably so much will have changed, that the Iraqis will have a real reality of a very very good future.

Sara,

Iran is acting up more and more.

No one wants a war, but sometimes it is a necessity, like the war or not.

When it comes to Iran....go get them while they are still incapable of destroying other people.

If we wait, they will start destroying something, praise God, and go to their doom.

The most rational would be to just go and get them while there is still time.

I am pretty sure that Iran will be a changed nation in the future, and the leaders of the current regime, will be dead, in hiding, in prison, or otherwise gone.

Those criminals however, will, if they can, destroy other people if they are getting the chance.

I am getting more and more worried that their chance will be a possibility, as long as the world will continue to sleep.

It doesn't have to be that way, those criminals can be taken out, and the means of them doing harm, can be taken out before anything will happen.

That really is getting to me, it is clear that their nuclear capability is getting closer and closer. I just don't trust the intelligence, they might have a lot of info about the phone system, the yearly production of Dades, and the capacity of the Tehran sour system, but the history of an exact intelligence report in the past have been poor.

Lot of things that was in the open, was missed, from the Bay of Pigs up until now, and for me it is so clear, where this is going, if the powers are not acting. They should have acted by midsummer, at the latest last year, and we're in some hot waters now, but by some reason or the other, the issue is only popping up on occasion in the media.

That to me shows that the public awareness is at best a confusion of Iran and Iraq. The bubble gum chewing crowd probably see the whole enchilada as one big mess, with Iraq on top, and after that point, ...they have heard of Afghanistan, but when it comes to Iran, they are so confused about who is who, what is what, and they have a general expression about the Middle East as one big mess, and then they are satisfied with that.

I don't know what it will take for us to wake up again, and I hope that it will not be another terrorist attack.

If it comes, Iran succeeded in a mass extinction of humans on this earth, THEN there will be no problem "selling the public" on another war.

It's such a vicious cycle.

One can imagine that the powers in place are elected with the intention of protecting the people, but if the powers in charge, feel that they have to sell the idea first, debate it, vote about it, and finally approve of it, BEFORE the terrorist attack, something has gone awfully wrong.

Admittedly, I don't know what the intelligence know, but from my stand point, they are giving the Iranians an awful lot of rope, and it starts to be too uncomfortable with the unknowingness of when the Iranians are ready for their blow.

-- February 15, 2008 7:12 AM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

I agree.

Give the Iranians a lot of rope.. they will seek to hang people with it.
It is just a question of who (the US? Israel?) and when.

The US should have acted last year and I believe the government was within a hair of doing so.
Certainly that lie of a report by the NIE helped to stop them from taking prudent action on this threat...
along with the new stance Russia has taken, reigniting the Cold War stance.

As you know, there was a flyover by hostile Russian aircraft over naval ships. This was downplayed and mention was made in a video segment I watched where an official said that the Russians have invaded US airspace eight times since last July and been escorted out of it by scrambled US fighter planes off the US coast.

NYT Laughs Off Russky Bomber Mock Attacks
From New York Times: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/us-carrier-intercepts-russian-bombers/

U.S. Carrier Intercepts Russian Bombers
By Mike Nizza
February 12, 2008

Last night, an anonymous American general broke some possibly alarming news: Over the weekend, a Russian bomber flew directly over an American aircraft carrier in the Pacific Ocean, while another came not quite that close, but still too close for comfort, about 60 miles away.

From there, the story unfolded harmlessly in all-but-choreographed steps. After all, these Cold War titans have done this dance many times before.

They just hadn’t done it lately — not since President Vladimir V. Putin decided to resume the old Soviet practice of flying long-range patrol missions far and wide after a 15-year suspension. Last August he served warning: Here Come the Russian Bombers!

Now, a half-year later, they came in the form of four Tu-95 Bears, a type of plane that is somewhat slow and clumsy by American standards but can nonetheless carry a potentially punishing weapons load.

According to an account from The Associated Press, the flock of Bears first raised alarms over Japan, where officials say that Japanese national airspace was violated — a bomber overflew an uninhabited island south of Tokyo, they said.

American Navy vessels tracked the Bears as they went, and then let slip the jet-fueled hounds:

As the bombers got about 500 miles out from the U.S. ships, four F/A-18 fighters were launched from the Nimitz, the official said. The fighters intercepted the Russian bombers about 50 miles south of the Nimitz.

At least two U.S. F/A-18 Hornets trailed the bomber as it came in low over the Nimitz twice, while one or two of the other U.S. fighters followed the second bomber as it circled.

There was no further escalation, no messages were exchanged between the two sides and no formal protest will be filed to Moscow, The A.P. continued. The military escaped a whole lot of paperwork during the Cold War by keeping this game on the field, and away from the diplomats.

An aide to Russia’s Air Force commander didn’t rattle any sabers. “We are surprised by the commotion that has been raised over this,” Colonel Alexander Drobyshevsky told the official RIA Novosti news agency. “We submit all necessary requests well in advance and deliver proper notifications.”

A Russian defense official emphasized that no rules were broken during what was termed standard operating procedure for air force training, according to CNN.

Another explanation for the Russian shoulder-shrugging may be found in a remark made about another airborne encounter last summer near Guam. The American and Russian aircraft involved didn’t come anywhere near danger, Maj. Gen. Pavel Androsov said. They simply “exchanged smiles.”

===end quote===

Isn’t it all just too cute? And why not?

What could possibly be wrong with Russian bombers staging a mock attack on the USS Nimitz and its battle group at low altitude?

And not just once but twice?
Quote:

[T]he flock of Bears first raised alarms over Japan, where officials say that Japanese national airspace was violated — a bomber overflew an uninhabited island south of Tokyo, they said…

A Russian defense official emphasized that no rules were broken during what was termed standard operating procedure for air force training…

== end quote ==

Isn’t it telling whom the New York Times chooses to believe.

Hey, never mind that Mr. Putin has practically announced that the Cold War is back on.

The Times still wants to snuggle.

After all, they’re ultimately on the same side.

This article was posted by Steve Gilbert on Tuesday, February 12th, 2008.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/nyt-laughs-off-us-intercept-of-russian-bombers

===

Russia has not been on friendly terms with the US, and the lack of action on Iran is likely due to a lot of their lobbying efforts against such a measure.

Sara.

-- February 15, 2008 12:14 PM


Sara wrote:

Pullout from Iraq would be a disaster for the Iraqis.. GENOCIDE, says Mr. McCain.
It would also be a disaster for the fortunes of their currency, the Dinar.
(Thought I would point that out, since this is a Dinar board..
Just connecting the dots in case someone doesn't see the connection.)
Of course, it connects to the safety of America, too -

Republican frontrunner John McCain:

"Look, don't listen to me. Listen to Al-Qaeda. They're the ones that say that their goal is the United States of America. And victory in Iraq is a stepping stone to that."

===

McCain: Early Pullout From Iraq Means Genocide
Friday, February 15, 2008

WASHINGTON -- Republican frontrunner John McCain drew sharp distinctions with his Democratic White House rivals over Iraq, saying an untimely US withdrawal would bring about "genocide."

In an interview with CNN, the presumptive Republican nominee for president slammed Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, who have said they would begin withdrawing troops from Iraq in their first months in the White House.

"Both Senator Obama and Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal. That means chaos. That means genocide," the Arizona senator told CNN's Larry King late Thursday.

"That means undoing all the success we've achieved, and Al-Qaeda tells the world they defeated the United States of America. I won't let that happen, as president of the United States."

McCain said the current strategy with far more troops on the ground is succeeding.

"It's a strategy we should have employed from the beginning," he said.

"And neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton had any experience of knowledge to know that this surge would succeed," charged McCain, a Vietnam War hero and former prisoner of war.

He said Americans were "frustrated and saddened" by the sacrifices of war but that the consequences of failure were untenable.

"Look, don't listen to me. Listen to Al-Qaeda. They're the ones that say that their goal is the United States of America. And victory in Iraq is a stepping stone to that."

Clinton has said she would start withdrawing troops within 60 days of becoming president. Obama says he would have all US combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/McCain:_Early_Pullout_Fro/2008/02/15/72973.html

-- February 15, 2008 2:50 PM


mattuk wrote:

From The Times
February 9, 2008
It's all aboard for hope as the Basra express leaves on time
Martin Fletcher in Baghdad

It pulls out of Baghdad Central station on the stroke of 9.00am — a tiny train loaded with great symbolic freight.

It consists of nothing more than a locomotive, three rickety old carriages and a goods van, and, on this particular morning, only 20 passengers. But what matters is that a rudimentary service to Basra, abandoned as Iraq was engulfed by violence, is finally up and running again.

Indeed, this is the first passenger service to resume anywhere in Iraq after the horrors of recent years, and its resumption is one of those telling little indicators that suggest the country might have turned a corner.

For the past few weeks, with little advertisement, the train has departed for Basra each morning just as another completes the overnight return journey to Baghdad. Each carries armed guards. The 310-mile (500km)journey takes them 12 hours because the line is in such terrible condition. And with tickets costing only $4 (£2), or $8 for a couchette, the service loses a hefty amount of money each day — but that is not the point.

“Even if it's full it's not economical. It's not about making money. It's about helping our nation, helping our people,” Muhammad Ali Hashim, general manager of Iraqi Republic Railways, told The Times with manifest pride. “It's a milestone. It's a great thing,” said Mick Omun, an American official who is co-ordinating US and Iraqi efforts to rebuild the network.

“We were delighted when we heard that the train was working again. We felt really happy,” said Nouria Kareem, a middle-aged woman in a black abaya who was travelling back to Basra with her daughter and grandchild after visiting relatives in Baghdad. Mrs Kareem fled the capital 18 months ago after her husband was killed by a roadside bomb and Sunni militias threatened her with death.

Other passengers in the grimy 23-year-old French-made coaches, with their cracked windows, tatty seats and patched-up bodywork, included three workers heading for the southern oilfields, an army colonel reporting for duty in Basra, and Bassim Juma, 39, who was returning home with his family after attending a funeral in Baghdad. “It makes me feel that life is returning to normal,” Mr Juma said with a broad smile. “It's cheaper and safer than the roads, and better for the children.”

Even the train drivers are thrilled. “We feel like we're living again,” said Saoud Aziz, 47, whose father and grandfather worked on the railways and who was actually born in Basra station when his mother went into premature labour.

Iraq once had a fine and extensive railway network, boasting 1,300 miles of lines connecting Baghdad to Basra in the south, to Kirkuk and Mosul in the north, and to al-Qaim and Akashat in the west. Beneath an impressive rotunda and glittering chandelier in the marbled grandeur of Baghdad Central's foyer there are still signs advertising trains to Syria and Turkey above the locked-up ticket counters.

The service to Istanbul ended with the start of the Iran-Iraq war in 1980, however, and by the time of the US-led invasion of 2003 the domestic network was seizing up, starved of spare parts by years of international sanctions. The invasion and its anarchic aftermath all but killed it off.

Baghdad Central, built by the British in 1953, was looted so thoroughly that little but the chandelier survived. “They couldn't reach it,” said Mr Hashim, who has worked for the railways for 25 of his 53 years and admits that he wept at the damage. Stations across the country were destroyed either by insurgents or by coalition troops chasing insurgents. Bridges were blown up or, in one case, destroyed by burning oil from a ruptured pipeline. Near Ramadi US soldiers tore up nearly two miles of line to clear a road for their vehicles. Lengths of track were stolen for scrap. The signalling system was plundered for every last inch of wiring. Mr Omun laughed when asked how much of that system survives. “It is non-existent,” he replied.

Trains were bombed and shot at, employees killed and kidnapped. Many of the 12,000 workforce fled to avoid the sectarian bloodbath. Alaa Aldin al-Khanaq, the IRR Director-General, survived two attempted assassinations and a kidnapping, but was shot in both legs and crippled in June 2005. In the face of this rising mayhem the lines were closed, one by one, until by the summer of 2006 scarcely a single passenger train still ran.

Today — except for the hour between 8am and 9am, when the Basra train arrives and Baghdad train departs — the capital's once bustling, green-domed Central Station is a forlorn place despite a $5million US financed refurbishment. Its car park is empty, eight platforms deserted and waiting rooms closed. Occasionally, a dog lopes through the echoing halls. Saddam Hussein's personal carriages stand alongside Platform 8, long since stripped of their gold and silver fittings.

Two miles away more than 200 carriages rust in an overgrown marshalling yard, ghost trains whose windows have been smashed, doors pulled off and seats ripped out. Mr Omun reckons that only 20 per cent of the IRR's rolling stock and fewer than 60 of its 225 locomotives — mostly Chinese or Russian — are still functional. “The rest are junk,” he said. He added that only 2,000 of the IRR's 12,000 employees are still working, though Mr Hashim said that they are almost all still on the payroll. Asked what they do, he replied: “They are waiting.”

To revive the Baghdad to Basra service the IRR resurrected ten carriages, largely by cannibalising the derelict ones, and rebuilt a bridge at Latafiyah, a town in the infamous “Triangle of Death” south of Baghdad, that had been repeatedly blown up. Reopening the line cost $15 million.

It is still a dangerous journey, however. The risk of kidnapping remains too great for a Western reporter to attempt it. In places the line is so fragile that the trains must slow to less than 10mph (16km/h). Another hazard is the Iraqi habit of driving cars along the track. A week after the service resumed on December 16 one of the trains rammed into a vehicle near the town of Hilla, killing twelve people, ten of them children. But the trains have not yet been attacked, the Latafiyah bridge still stands and Mr Omun is now working to restore freight lines elsewhere to transport the oil, sand, rock and cement essential for the reconstruction of Iraq.

“Railroads are essential for reconstruction. Our focus is on infrastructure building before we do any more passenger lines,” Mr Omun said, arguing that trains are much safer and far cheaper than moving goods along checkpoint-littered, bandit-infested, bomb-pocked roads using Iraq's deeply corrupt trucking industry. He responded cautiously when asked how long it would be before the network was fully operational again: “In five years I see a railroad that is somewhat functional throughout the country in some capacity.”

Mr Hashim has altogether loftier goals. He believes that he can restore passenger services to Mosul, Ramadi and al-Qaim within the next six months, but that is just the start. Standing in his office in Bagdad Central, he pulled out plans for a brand new railway line that would encircle the capital, a Japanese-style high-speed line from Iran to the Syrian border near Turkey that would link Europe and Asia, and even a Baghdad monorail. “All this can be done within ten years,” he insisted. “If there's the budget, it can be done in five.”

Mr Hashim may lack locomotives, carriages, bridges and stations, but nobody could accuse him of lacking vision or ambition.

-- February 15, 2008 3:46 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

For those of you involved in the Iraqi Stock Exchange the following article may be of value to you. You might want to consider investing in these companies.
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Babylon Governorate Signs MOU for Multi Million Dollar Projects

Muhammad al-Masoodi, head of the Babylon Governorate Council revealed that the governorate has received a bid from two Iraqi companies, International Engineering Projects Co., and Hashimiyya Co., to carry out a number of projects in the Babylon governorate.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 15, 2008 4:17 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Finance & Banking

Trade Bank of Iraq Aims to Offer $7.5 Billion in Credit in 2008

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15 February 2008 (Bloomberg)
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Trade Bank of Iraq, established in 2003 to finance trade and help in the reconstruction of the country, plans to issue about $7.5 billion in letters of credit this year, its chairman said.

The amount compares with the $6.3 billion offered last year and the $25 billion granted since 2003 by the bank, President and Chairman Hussein al-Uzri said in an interview at the Dead Sea in Jordan late yesterday.

The credit lines will be offered to ``importers of food stuffs, other vital commodities and imports for power equipment, the oil sector and other infrastructure projects,'' al-Uzri said.

Iraq, which is the holder of the world's third-largest oil reserves and exports about 1.7 million barrels a day, derives 95 percent of its income from oil production, al-Uzri said. The country imports about $3 billion in oil products a year ``because of the lack of refineries and other downstream facilities.''

Trade Bank of Iraq was involved in the financing of a 500 megawatt power plant in the northern Iraqi city of Erbil, which will begin operating in March this year, al-Uzri said.

The bank wants to ``expand from trade finance to more project finance and participate in major projects in the country and be one of the conduits for foreign investment in Iraq,'' al-Uzri said.

Iraq has an estimated 115 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, behind Saudi Arabia and Iran, according to BP Plc figures.

The Middle East and North Africa region account for about 35 percent of Iraq's imports, Europe represents as much as 30 percent and the U.S. and Asia account for the rest, according to al-Uzri.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 15, 2008 4:19 PM


Ishemuslim? wrote:

There are many ways to win a war. As the Greeks taught the world, a Trojan Horse works just fine.

America is being fooled by Barak Hussein Obama!!

"YES, MUSLIMS ARE MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH." "WE HAVE MANY MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH WHO ARE MUSLIMS."

I am Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry. I am invited by churches all over America to speak about ISLAM and its threat to America and the West.

I have had concerns about Senator Obama,s honesty regarding his so called Christian faith.

I called The United Church of Christ in Chicago Illinois, where Senator Obama is a member. If Senator Obama were indeed a Christian, he would be regarded as an "Apostate" which according to Islamic Law, would mean he would be subject to a death warrant imposed upon anyone who leaves Islam, according to the Prophet Mohammed. Many muslims who have left Islam have been murdered on this basis worldwide. Putting Islamic law aside, Obama would still be condemned by Islam. However, in Senator Obama's instance, Muslims in America are joyously happy to think that Obama would be a Muslim President in the white House. Obama is deceiving America. Muslims would not be endorsing a Muslim who left Islam and became a Christian.

It is important to note that I had four witnesses to this telephone conversation with his church. The date, time and length of the entire conversation can be verified by phone records. The following is the conversation I had with the church, regarding his membership there.

"My name is Usama, and I am from Egypt. I am interested in joining the church. I need to ask some questions please." The operator directed me to the membership office. I proceeded to ask questions that only a Muslim would ask. "What is the difference between Baptists and your church?" She responded, " We believe exactly what Baptists believe." My second question was, "How big is your church and what kind of church is it?" She responded, "We are a Black African American Church and we have 6000 members. I asked, "Do I have to attend Sunday school classes or other meetings to be a member?" She answered "No." I asked, "Do I have to be baptized to join the church?" She again answered, "No." I asked, "Do I have to pay a membership Fee to join?" Her answer was No. I then asked her what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, "That sounds easy. One last question please. IF I AM MUSLIM AND I BELIEVE IN PROPHET MOHAMMED, PEACE BE UPON HIM AND I ALSO BELIEVE IN JESUS, PEACE BE UPON HIM, DO I HAVE TO GIVE UP MY ISLAMIC FAITH TO BE A MEMBER IN YOUR CHURCH?" SHE ANSWERED, "NO. WE HAVE MANY MUSLIM MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH." It is important to note that Muslims would not attend church.

I asked her, "Is that how Senator Barak Hussein Obama became a member?" There was silence. I went on and stated that his father and step father were Muslims, his grandfathers and grandmother are Muslims, his uncles and aunts, nephews and nieces and cousins are Muslims and everyone in his family in Kenya are Muslims. She replied to me, "I am sorry, I cannot answer these questions for you." I of course sensed she was uncomfortable. I ended the conversation by saying to her, "YOUR CHURCH HAS DONE GREAT HARM TO THIS COUNTRY BY COVERING A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING AND THAT WOLF IS SENATOR BORAK HUSSEIN OBAMA." End of phone call.

This is fraud to the people of the United States of America.

Sincerely,

Usama Dakdok

-- February 15, 2008 5:13 PM


Sara wrote:

Usama Dakdok;

Thank you for your post.

I checked into your church/ministry through googling your name, and wish you and your wife and son God's protection and blessing as you minister and reach out to Muslims.

I believe it is God's will that He put John McCain into the Whitehouse as President.

Your warning, however, is taken seriously. When the contest is truly narrowed to two candidates, we will see a much closer scrutiny of the two who end up frontrunners for the office of the President of the United States. If he is the candidate for the left, this information you have posted here will be part of that crucial information necessary to bring about God's will on earth. We cannot stand idly by but must speak out the truth in love, letting God do with it as He wills.

Thank you for sharing your perspective and the truth of what you have learned. It is counsel which men would do well to heed, an admonition from a shepherd heart from God. Thank you. :)

Sara.

-- February 15, 2008 8:19 PM


Sara wrote:

US ambassador questions Democratic candidates' Iraq plans
Michael Howard in Baghdad
guardian.co.uk,
Friday February 15 2008

The top US diplomat in Iraq today waded into the US presidential race debate over American troop withdrawals, warning that recent security improvements in the country could be jeopardised by setting an arbitrary timetable for redeployment.

"Over the last year we and the Iraqis have achieved a great deal here and we have both paid a high price for it," Ryan Crocker told the Guardian in an interview. "Certainly my view, sitting here in Baghdad, is that it would be extremely risky to gamble on those gains by moving away from a conditions-based redeployment."

His remarks appeared to be an implicit criticism of promises on troop withdrawals made by the two candidates in the race for the Democratic nomination.

Barack Obama, a consistent opponent of the war in Iraq, has said that if elected president, he would pull all combat troops from the country by the end of 2009. Hillary Clinton, who voted for the war in 2003 and who is now a critic, has said she would establish a plan for withdrawal within 60 days of taking office.

That contrasts with the Republican frontrunner John McCain, who today told CNN that an untimely US withdrawal would bring about "genocide".

"Both senator Obama and Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal. That means chaos. That means genocide," the 71-year-old Arizona senator said.

Ambassador Crocker, who along with Gen David Petraeus has championed President Bush's recent Iraq military strategy, said any decision on troop reductions beyond those already announced would have to be "very carefully evaluated by us and by the Iraqis".

He said: "The troops are already going home. By July 2008 the surge elements will be out of Iraq."

Further than that, he said, "it is very important to keep in mind the principle that has motivated us here, which is withdrawal or redeployments based on conditions.

"There are of course other ways to do this. Simply forget about conditions and set up a timetable and march to that timetable. But I think anyone contemplating that course of action should contemplate very seriously what the consequences would be," he said.

The US defence secretary, Robert Gates, and Gen Petraeus indicated last week that they favoured a pause in troop reductions after this summer to assess the impact on security and stability of the withdrawal of the surge troops.

US commanders in Iraq say that insurgent attacks are down 60% since last June, but violence has been on the increase again in recent weeks.

Crocker said he had no knowledge of reports that Imad Mughniya, the Hizbullah militant, who was killed in Damascus this week, had been helping organise Shia militias in southern Iraq in 2005.

"But we have established that Lebanese Hizbullah, via Iran, has been involved in for example training of Iraqi operatives. The common link throughout all that in Lebanon, here, and elsewhere, in the region has been Iran and in particular the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's Quds force."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/15/iraq.usa?gusrc=rss&feed=worldnews

-- February 15, 2008 8:49 PM


Roger wrote:

Usama,

Thanks, very interesting aspect. I can not say that I am as religious as you or Sara, but I for sure can see the importance in this.

Mattuk,

It is always so heartwarming to get reports about the struggle the Iraqi people are doing on a daily basis, and I for sure wish them a much better future.

Rob N.

Well there is a bit of drawback to the stock market thing when it comes to the real players.

This is the basic scoop.

The Iraqis have voiced their wishes to set all their now government owned companies free, and have them rather operate as independent companies.

However, the state are sitting on a very big load of companies that are just that, state owned companies, and as the contracts are dished out, the state owned companies are (of course) getting the main share of the contracts.

However, as they are state owned, that means that they are NOT on the ISX buying and selling shares, and letting other people Iraqis or foreigners, invest in them.

There ARE a list of companies right now, that are partly owned by the state, the list is very narrow and small, and you can count them on your fingers.

In this moment of time, when the Iraqis are releasing the companies, (and as usually when it comes to dealings in that part of the world, ....you have to wait and see whenever that will happen), it is a wait and see game. It is a matter of finding the companies that are released from the state, and getting in quick on the ISX floor and buy their stock when they are introduced.

It doesn't matter how many contracts are reported in the news papers for only God knows how many projects they are working on, if the companies are either:

1. Foreign companies, ...or
2. Iraqi state owned companies

The foreign companies are trading their shares in their home country's stock market, and the Iraqi state owned companies are NOT trading at all, as long as they are state owned.

I would suggest that you RobN, set your self up with that account, and get in on stocks, if there are poor performing stocks, dump them, but right now, you can probably see a decent growth in most any stocks they are dealing in, it is a slow upwards trend, and I assume that this trend will increase as the wheels are spinning more and more.

If you are really into investing, that's the train you need to sit on.

-- February 16, 2008 6:07 AM


Sara wrote:

You have to wonder..

House Dems 'Leave Washington, Leave America Exposed to Attack'
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
February 15, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - President Bush and Republicans are blasting House Democratic leaders for taking a week-long President's Day recess without passing a key piece of national security legislation.

The Protect America Act -- which authorizes the U.S. intelligence community to quickly monitor terrorist communications -- will expire at midnight on Saturday.

"If Congress does not act by that time, our ability to find out who the terrorists are talking to, what they are saying, and what they are planning will be compromised," President Bush warned on Thursday. "It would be a mistake if the Congress were to allow this to happen."

House Democrats are going to allow it to happen, however.

They have refused to take up a bipartisan bill that easily passed the Senate earlier this week, because that bill would not only modernize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- it also would grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies that assisted the government in its warrantless electronic surveillance after Sept. 11, 2001.

"Without this protection, without this liability shield, we may not be able to secure the private sector's cooperation with our intelligence efforts," President Bush warned. That would put the American people at risk, he added.

Two days ago, the House rejected a short-term FISA extension intended to give Democrats more time to work on a permanent fix. Even some Democrats voted against a short-term fix. (See related story).

"Terrorists seeking to harm America and destroy our way of life have been handed a major victory by the Majority's decision to bar intelligence officials from opening any new foreign surveillance cases without needless bureaucratic hurdles," House Republican Leader John Boehner said on Thursday.

"As Members of Congress return to their congressional districts for the 12-day recess, terrorists will continue plotting to attack our nation and our allies. And the American people will have every reason to ask why House Democrats have undermined the ability of our intelligence officials to protect us."

The FISA bill is so important to President Bush, he offered to delay his trip to Africa on Friday if it would help House leaders finish work on the FISA bill.

President Bush says it's clear that the Senate bill would easily pass the House, if only House Democratic leaders would bring it to the floor for a vote.

"Our government has no greater responsibility than getting this work done, and there really is no excuse for letting this critical legislation expire," Bush said. "The House should not leave Washington without passing the Senate bill."

In response to a question, President Bush said he hopes Congress isn't "playing politics," as some Republicans have charged. "I can assure you al Qaeda in their planning isn't thinking about politics. They're thinking about hurting the American people again."

President Bush says the U.S. intelligence community needs to know what America's enemies are saying, planning and thinking. He said electronic surveillance "has been very effective."

President Bush noted that the House passed a short-term FISA fix last summer - the Protect America Act, which expires this weekend. "And if it was necessary last summer, why is it not necessary today?" Bush asked.

Too bad House Democrats don't take national security seriously, House Republican Whip House Republican Whip Roy Blunt (Mo.) said on Thursday.

"I am amazed that while Democrats are eagerly taking political potshots at White House employees, including one who left over a year ago, they refuse to consider bipartisan legislation to safeguard our nation.

"Taking up these contempt citations with only two days until a critical intelligence law expires is as poorly timed as it is poorly reasoned, and it demonstrates the Democrats' cavalier approach to national security."

House Republicans walked off the House floor in protest on Thursday afternoon.

On Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi brushed aside Republican complaints that the nation will suffer if the Protect America Act expires.

"Even if the Protect America Act expires later this week, the American people can be confident that our country remains safe and strong. Every order entered under the law can remain in effect for 12 months from the date it was issued," Pelosi said.

But the Bush administration says without the force of law to protect them, telecommunications companies are increasingly reluctant to cooperate with warrantless surveillance.

Pelosi on Wednesday also slammed Republicans for refusing to support a short-term extension of the bill. Republicans "therefore will bear the responsibility should any adverse national consequences result," Pelosi insisted. (President Bush said it's time for the House to pass a permanent fix, just as the Senate did -- not another patch.)

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080215c.html

-- February 16, 2008 7:31 PM


Sara wrote:

First business convention in Iraq since 2003 attracts hundreds of vendors
BRADLEY BROOKS AP
Released : Saturday, February 16, 2008

BAGHDAD-Nattily dressed Iraqi businessmen mingled Saturday with a few of their American counterparts at the first business exposition to be held in Baghdad since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

About 260 vendors, almost all Iraqi, set up booths on the ground floor of the Green Zone's al-Rashid Hotel, which still bears the scars of a 2003 rocket attack.

Hundreds of visitors crammed the hallways, picking up brochures and free candies from the booths of businesses mostly reflecting the immediate needs of Iraq: construction, security, logistics and raw goods.

"We've broken a barrier," said Raad Ommar, CEO of the Iraqi-American Chamber of Commerce, which along with the U.S. State Department's Baghdad provincial reconstruction team organized the event. "We wanted to show that there is normal life in Iraq, to help foreign investors see and feel that it is safe to come."

http://www.macroworldinvestor.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=293770221

-- February 16, 2008 7:36 PM


Rob N. wrote:

Roger;

Thanks for the word. I am warming up again to the idea of investing in the ISX. I remember a post you submitted sometime back concerning multiple streams of income from this investment. My movement toward Al Warka will be a slow process.

Any update on you traveling to Iraq?


Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 16, 2008 8:35 PM


Sara wrote:

Alright.. can we agree it is slow on the board?

And.. is it ok to bring up a topic which could be life threatening and mention someone should be trying something simple to figure it out?

Hence.. this article about how now, after the bees are dying off.. we now have BATS dying off in huge numbers..
Quote:

Nor are there any known links between what is wiping out the bees and what is killing the bats. The cause of the bee deaths is still a mystery, though scientists are looking at pesticides, parasites and a virus not previously seen in the U.S.

So they have NOT figured out what is killing the bees (it is still a mystery, this says) and now, it is moving UP the food chain to bats..

I find that a bit disturbing, do you? Of course, people all rush to tell you it is no problem.. but the fact is, bats eat insects like bees.. and it appears that it is moving UP the food chain from bugs (the bees) to those who feast on them in very large quantities (bats).

I was wondering if they could please do a simple science experiment they obviously have not thought of. Since they are looking at "pesticides, parasites and a virus" as possible causes of the bees dying, they obviously have NOT taken an infected bee or bat and put it in a 'cage' with those who are not sick? Make sure they are fed really good food with no toxins and so they are healthy and can fight off any ordinary illnesses. Then see if it is communicated from the sick bat/bee to the healthy ones. That will tell us if it is environmental or a new and very virulent virus. That much SCIENCE really should have been investigated already with the bees.. before it ever got to bats.. but can someone please think to tell them to try it with the bats?

Once we eliminate the possibilities, whatever remains is the cause... (basic science 101, right?)

Another possiblity is to take the blood of a sick bat and inject it into the healthy ones.. then see if they get sick. If they can be infected, it is most likely it is a communicable disease, if not, it is environmental. If it is environmental.. this could be an indication that the cause is genetically altered crops that are being eaten, in which case, it will be likely that the birds are next to take a hit as it moves up the chain.. ending one day in man.

That this "new" epidemic is likely the SAME thing as the Bee epidemic is likely because it appears to act like AIDS, taking down the immune system of both the bees and now the bats. Then they get fungal or other infections which eat them from the inside out.

The bees were killed by no one cause they can put their finger on, but if the problem is that the cause is like AIDS, taking down the immune system and leaving them open to any opportunistic infection (or fungus as fungus is very prevalent in dank, dark caves where bats live).. then the cause could be genetically altered foods.. Because, you see, genetically altered foods are altered with viruses and if the bee and bat bodies did not recognise the new hybrid crops as food, but as an invading organism their immune systems may have been primed to fight and continued ingestion of what it sees as virus-bodied crops (or bugs who have feasted on such crops), may take down their immune systems permanently, leaving them open to diseases and fungi.

In case you do not know.. the reason for this being likely is because the way they alter crops genetically is through using a virus to alter each and every cell of that crop and every cell in the genetically altered crop has virus DNA in it - viruses are how they genetically alter the DNA at the cellular level - using the mechanism of how a virus works and its replication technique. If the bodies of these animals (bees/bats) cannot discriminate but see the genetically altered food as an invading virus due to the virus DNA in the food they are eating.. it will in time take down their immune systems, causing massive deaths (like we are seeing).

I know the food giants don't like the idea and there is big money in the way, but if frankencrops are the cause of taking down the immune systems of the bees and now the bats.. we will have to deal with it one day when it reaches up the food chain and begins to hit mankind.. at least I hope so (how deep can denial go?).

Deadly Bat Epidemic Still Baffling Scientists
Friday, February 15, 2008

ROSENDALE, N.Y. — Bats in New York and Vermont are mysteriously dying off by the thousands, often with a white ring of fungus around their noses, and scientists in hazmat suits are crawling into dank caves to find out why.

"White nose syndrome," as the killer has been dubbed, is spreading at an alarming rate, with researchers calling it the gravest threat in memory to bats in the U.S.

"This is definitely unprecedented," said Lori Pruitt, an endangered-species biologist with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Bloomington, Ind. "The hugest concern at this point is that we do not know what it is."

A significant loss of bats is chilling in itself to wildlife experts. But — like the mysterious mass die-offs around the country of bees that pollinate all sorts of vital fruits and vegetables — the bat deaths could have economic implications.

Bats feed on insects that can damage dozens of crops, including wheat and apples.

"Without large populations of bats, there would certainly be an impact on agriculture," said Barbara French of Bat Conservation International of Austin, Texas.

White nose syndrome has afflicted at least four species of hibernating bats, spreading from a cluster of four caves near Albany last winter to more than a dozen caverns up to 130 miles away.

Alan Hicks, a wildlife biologist with the New York Department of Environmental Conservation, said he fears a catastrophic collapse of the region's bat population and is urgently enlisting experts around the country to find the cause.

It is not even clear if the fungus around the bats' noses — something scientists say they have never seen before — is a cause or a symptom. It may be a sign the bats are too sick to groom themselves, said Beth Buckles, a veterinary pathologist at Cornell University.

The die-offs could be caused by bacteria or a virus. Or the bats could be reacting to some toxin or other environmental factor.

Whatever it is, afflicted bats are burning through their winter stores of fat before hibernation ends in the spring, and appear to be starving.

Nor are there any known links between what is wiping out the bees and what is killing the bats. The cause of the bee deaths is still a mystery, though scientists are looking at pesticides, parasites and a virus not previously seen in the U.S.

Researchers said there is no evidence the mysterious killer is any threat to humans. Scientists venturing into the caves wear hazardous-materials suits and breathing masks primarily to protect the bats, not themselves.

The first inkling of trouble came in January 2007, when a cave explorer spotted an unusual number of bat carcasses around the mouth of a cave in the hills west of Albany.

Within a month, people in the area were calling in with reports of bats flying outside in the middle of the day.

"We didn't know anything other than bats were coming out and they were just dying on the landscape," Hicks said. "They were crashing into snow banks, crawling into wood piles and dying."

By winter's end, 8,000 to 11,000 bats were presumed dead in the four caves. The mystery affliction has spread much farther this winter.

Death counts are not in yet for this winter since afflicted bats die slowly. But Hicks said there are 200,000 or more bats hibernating in caves where white nose has been detected.

Hicks recently led a team of scientists into an abandoned mine in this Hudson Valley town about 80 miles north of New York City.

He directed his headlamp on a cluster of seven brown bats, smaller than mice, hanging high on the limestone wall. Four had the telltale white flecks on their muzzles.

He tapped one of the afflicted bats with a long stick, and it fell, already dead. Another groggily spread its papery wings on Hicks' gloved hand.

The sickly bat was put into a cardboard takeout-soup container to be put to death and studied, since it was doomed anyway.

A group of Indiana bats, a federally protected endangered species, was spotted hanging lower down in the mine for cooler air, a common strategy for sick bats.

Hicks whispered grimly: "These guys are toast."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330789,00.html

I love that, quote: "Researchers said there is no evidence the mysterious killer is any threat to humans. Scientists venturing into the caves wear hazardous-materials suits and breathing masks primarily to protect the bats, not themselves."

That has to make you wonder..

No evidence it is any threat to humans.. really?? I mean.. with everyone wearing haz-mat suits and breathing masks.. we aren't really exposing anyone intentionally to it just to make sure it isn't communicable to humans, are we? Don't worry though.. right?

You just have to wonder...

Sara.

-- February 16, 2008 8:50 PM


Roger wrote:

Rob N,

Naa, doing my teeth, they don't want to send a problem over there. Bored, but I have my Hydrogen generator that I am playing around with right now, and that is fun.

Hey B.T.W. if you, or anyone, else want to get a car with much better fuel economy, you can build together a high yielding cell, from plans. It's mostly stuff from a hardware store like Andys, Lowes and such stores.

50-70 bucks and you've got it up and running.

Go to: http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com

I suspect NEIL is kind of curious.

There are other designs, but this one is one of the better ones for a very very low construction price, and it is not hard to build either.

It's a fuel generator for your car, and ..did I mention that the fuel is water, and it is free.

Have fun.

Build it and they will come, it have to be a kind of a grassroots movement, because the media is not interested, the car magazines are not interested, the government is not interested, and it is mostly seen as a "gimmick".

The only way you can do it, is to build one, and have your gas miles results, and then... the neighbours will peak in to check it out, wondering where they can find the plans for it, or how it works.

Plus you car will have the cleanest exhaust pipe in your part of the town.

Sara,

Maybe the baby boomers of the bats are dying out right now. That may be what it is.

Bats are good to have around, you really want them, there are plans on how to build bat houses for them to hibernate in.

After all, they are rodents and leave stuff on the cave floor.

The trick is, to give them an alternative to your house, they, as well as you, want a warm and cozy place to hang out in, and if they have a couple of escape places, they will hang around in your area.

They eat insects on an industrial level, and man, are they good in getting those, and in the middle of the night, and flying at the same time.

Don't have a clue whats killing them in those caves, where I live they are well and alive anyway.

-- February 17, 2008 6:41 AM


Sara wrote:

Roger said, "Don't have a clue whats killing them in those caves, where I live they are well and alive anyway."

I hope it stays that way in your area and does not spread. They may be rodents with wings, but they are wonderful and cute little animals which God has made and I am saddened by their dying off in large numbers.. as did the bees.

I once trapped a brown bat that had taken up residence in a garage and tried feeding it.. it was too scared and was not interested. It looked like a little brown mouse with wings. I took it out into a field and let it go. It flew up into a tree on the edge of the field and just sat there (it was daytime). They are actually very beautiful creatures and like you said, they sure can fly (and eat insects).

When it speaks in the article about the brown bats all in a row and one of them is touched and falls to the ground dead.. then they take another to euthenize and try and figure out what is the cause, I thought of "my" bat. If the real root cause is the proliferation of GM crops and their being eaten by the the bugs (like bees) then eaten by the bats who feed on the bugs.. well, there are a lot of GM crops around where that bat and I live. We will have to see if massive deaths "crops up" all over the place, showing "critical mass" of the cause finally making it into the animal population.

A bit like the continual doubling into the food supply of excitotoxins.. eventually there comes a day it shows up as an "epidemic", or more than one, in this case, two.. one for the bees and one for the bats - a bit like the epidemics of obesity, sleep disorder/insomnia, diabetes and early onset of puberty in the human population. Cause and effect, chain of events.. all of this chaos makes perfect sense. :)

===

Notes and comments from my research on the bee and bat collapses:

David Hackenberg (former president of the American Beekeeping Federation) wrote that when his colony collapsed they asked him to please bring it in for study.
QUOTE:

"They requested that I bring those hives that were still living but appeared to be collapsing as well as dead bee hives to analyze in their labs. The initial findings were very puzzling. Dead bees showed signs of fungus, amoebas, and undigested pollen in their mid-gut (this can be viewed on website MAAREC.org, look up CCD). There was no record in bee research literature on this kind of pathogen levels that were present in these bees." (end quote)

Notice the FUNGUS in their gut.. much like the bats have a fungal infection now, too.

This beekeeper goes on to say,
QUOTE:

"the symptoms of CCD were very different from any mite damage we have seen in the past. When you place a dead CCD hive on top of a live hive nearby you kill the hive below. This makes us think that there must be something toxic in the hive from CCD. But when aired out for several weeks the toxicity levels seem to go away. The last symptom is that the dead bees always seem to have a fungus found in the bee’s mid-gut and sometimes through their entire body." (end quote)

Again, note the fungus being in the bees.. sometimes through their entire body.. and now in the bats.
He asks,
QUOTE:

"Beekeepers that have been most affected so far have been close to corn, cotton, soybeans, canola, sunflowers, apples, vine crops and pumpkins. So what is it about these crops that are killing the bees?? In conversation with farmers, growers and seed and spray company representatives we have learned that there has been a big change in pesticides used to treat these crops."

"We are simple beekeepers not entomologists, chemists or biologists, but we are now taking a crash course in insect and pesticide interactions. Before November I knew very little about neonicotinoids. In the past three months I have come to know more than I want to know about this newer type of pesticide. From what I have learned so far, I am convinced that neonicotinoids may play a role in CCD and exposure to these materials is something that is under our control. From research on the internet I have learned that neonicotinoids are systemic insecticides used to control sucking insects on plants, everything from corn, tree crops, most vegetables, cranberries, blueberries, strawberries, cotton, canola, ornamentals, forestry and turf."

http://www.imkerinnen.at/Hauptseite/Menues/News/Brief%20David%20Hackenberg%20307%20engl.doc

==end quote==

Notice that they are used to control sucking insects.. what do you think bats eat? Insects, right?

From here I went to the entry on neonicotinoids on wikipedia which states:

"Turning to GM crops such as maize, canola, cotton and soybean it is clear that all of these GM crops, with or without Bt genes, use seeds most of which are coated with neonicotinoid pesticides highly toxic to honey bees. For example, Herculex maize with Bt genes to control rootworm, like Yieldgard corn borer resistant maize, is tity planted with seeds dressed with a neonicotinoid insecticide and a fungicide. Furthermore, the GM planting requires setting aside plots of non-GM maize making up 20 percent of the planted area as a “refuge” to discourage the evolution of resistant insects. But the “refuge” is sprayed with neonicotinoid pesticide to protect its yield [14], and is more like a death camp for insects. Monsanto’s US Patent 6,660,690 provides for coating GM seeds with chemical pesticides [15]."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoids

Note that the bees with colony collapse were near to corn (maize), canola, cotton and soybean crops.. and the GM crops described in this entry on neonicotinoids are these same kinds of crops. However.. the source of colony collapse remains "a mystery".. and it has nothing to do with GM crops or their coatings of neonicotinoid pesticides, according to the experts.

Yet, in spite of their "expert" opinion, I think this beekeeper and former president of the American Beekeeping Federation is on to something when he says,
QUOTE:

"I think that the reason neonicotinoids may be so damaging to honeybees is that they are found in fairly low "sublethal" levels in the pollen and nectar of the plants. The field bees often do not die when working on plants treated with these products. Instead they may bring the pollen and nectar back to the hive and store it in their comb to use later. It is usually several months later when natural sources of pollen and nectar slow down in the field that the bees would use this store of pollen and nectar to raise brood that the symptoms appear. The young bees raised on this food may exhibit memory loss and impaired immune response. What may finally kill the hive are two things: first, the loss of most of their adult bees because when "sick" bees leave the hive to collect food they do not return (disappearing disease) and second, the remaining young bees in the hive may have such a weakened immune system that normal pathogens found in the hive such as fungus easily overwhelm them. The result is a dead hive loaded with pathogens in the dead and dying brood left behind. Of course, these symptoms appear several months after exposure to neonicotinoids and up until recently the cause of effect appeared unrelated." (end quote)

Note the result is pathogens in the dying brood and that fungus easily overwhelms them. Now the bats are dying of fungal infestation.. is there a possibility that they are related do you think? Also note that the cause and effect APPEAR unrelated because the symptoms appear several months after exposure... Remember my post on Doctor Olney and how he tried to get the government to take MSG toxicity seriously and his results in the lab? How difficult it was for them to understand long term damage to the hypothalmus gland.. how many spurious studies against it they came out with.. how they tried to discredit him because so much money was at stake? Remember the monkeys which vomited, or were under a powerful anti-MSG drug the whole time in the opposing studies? Could we be seeing something similar in their ignoring these words from the past President of the American Beekeeper's Association.. using perhaps spurious studies, as they did to Dr. Olney?

The entry on wikipedia begins with this conclusion:

"Potential effects on honey bees of gathering pollen and nectar from genetically modified (GM) crops that produce Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) toxin have been investigated, and there is scant evidence of deleterious effects on bees visiting such crops."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder#Genetically_modified_crops_.28GMO.29

The rest of the section is dedicated to proving there can be no connection of GM crops to the CCD disease. The only reference to what I posted here is this one sentence: "And as the CCD phenomenon involves the disappearance of the adult bees, some think there could be a direct connection despite the absence of symptoms in the larvae, and despite any evidence that the bees experiencing CCD have ever been exposed to GM crops."

The full argument of what I have posted here is then completely ignored and overwhelmed by the presentation of many studies and "evidence" against the idea that GM crops (and/or neonicotinoids) are to blame.. just as Dr. Olney's studies were also ignored and "numerically overwhelmed". Could the vast amount of money involved possibly have anything to do with the outcome of the debate and how the cause of CCD has remained a "mystery"? Perhaps the fungal infections in bees and bats is doomed then to remain a (very lucrative) "mystery".. ??

Sara.

-- February 17, 2008 2:25 PM


Rob N. wrote:

My friends;

May I get your take on the outcome of our Iraqi Dinar drama. Allow me to set the scene. GWB is in his last full year as the President of the United States. There are strong indications from the Iraqis that 2008 is the year for economic and political progress. To the Iraqis credit but vieled in the bickering between religious and ethnic sects inside Parliment the budget has been passed. I think a major accomplishment. Investors should see the TSAs signed between the GoI and the oil majors in March. Another major accomplishment. These TSAs could be the prelude to the Hydro Carbon Law still pending parliment.

Regardless of the progress made politically and economically, will there be enough progress to warrant a revaluation of the Iraqi Dinar before the term of GWB ends? If not, then what? Logistically, I am certain neither Hillary or Hussein can immediately withdraw troops and equipment from the region. If either of them is elected we could see this country fall back toward a civil war.

I have read some that say, if a change in the revaluation of the exchange rate does not occur in November they will offload. What do you guys thnk? Is this a sensible? I think 2008 could be a very interesting year.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 17, 2008 9:59 PM


Optimist wrote:

The world is running out of cheap oil. The world needs oil desperately. Iraq has lots. The oil is not going away, any time soon. If Iraq breaks up, so what? Invest in oil companies doing business there. The oil will still be there, in a divided Iraq. Values will go up. Make money off that. Hedge your bets. Keep your dinars. Invest in oil businesses in Iraq. There's lots of ways to make money.

-- February 18, 2008 2:15 AM


Roger wrote:

Sara,

We had a guy here about a year and a half ago, he was a doctor of some sort, he claimed that the last disease that was CURED was POLIO.

That is three generations ago.

I have an idea that if you give a research lab funds to research something, say Cancer or AIDS or whatever, then THAT is what they will do , they research, and research and research and research it over and over again.

That's what they have got he funding for, so that's exactly what they will do, research and research...

If they were given funds with the following pretext in the funding contract, there would be a bit of different tone.

-"You will get xxxx amount of Dollar (well it is probably xxxxxxxxx amount of Dollars), for the CURE of the disease X , if no cure is presented within 3 years, any more funding for the next consecutive year must be 15% less then year before.
If no cure is provided within 7 years, the funding will stop at the date of the contract signing, end of contract."

RobN,

It for sure will be a time of change this coming year, if, I say IIIIFFF, Obama gets the Presidency, wonder how Iran is handling it, or better say how will Obama handle it.

If the next President will just pull out, (bad move) how will the Iraqis deal with it?....and how will the Dinar go, it for sure will be some very interesting times ahead.

Optimist,

It's not as easy as that, we are investors ok, and for sure the Iraqi investment have it's risks to it, but the need for oil is exactly why Iraq is more interesting than oil companies at home.

The oil companies will go there and drill and so on, that's ok and stocks in them will probably go up, no quesiton about that.

However, the oil in not the one that pumps it, ALL oil is the Iraqi states property, and the oil companies are getting their cut from shared profit.

The biggest profit here is in an expansion that is sure to come IN IRAQ, it have been held in limbo for a while while they have been killing each other for reason their fore fathers probably remember at least a little bit better then they do.

Anyhow, when the companies are set up to go in Iraq, and this is Iraqi companies we're talking about here, he stocks are about to go off the roof.

This has been the pattern in any boom economy, and all the ingredients are there for Iraq, maybe even better placed than any time in history, because on top of it all, Iraq is a filthy rich nation, they just have to get the stuff out of the ground to get there, and with that the Iraqi Govt, will increase the coffers with mega money, any and all project is no object when it comes to money, and while Exxon, Shell and so on have good gains, in economies like this, you have in the past seen figures of 300-400 and even 500% increase in stock value.....annually.

It's just rolling a bit in the direction we always wanted it to go, and while it is creeping in it's first positive direction, we're waiting for the snowball. You push it first down the hill, and it takes quite some effort to move it along, suddenly gravity takes over and it is going down the hill by itself, growing bigger and bigger.

Once the wheels are moving, the economy is self perpetuating.

-- February 18, 2008 6:00 AM


Roger wrote:

...the oil in not that pumps it...sorry brainfart, read it like this...... the oil is not owned by the ones that pumps it...

-- February 18, 2008 6:04 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


European commissioner discusses energy partnership with Iraq

Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Monday , 18 /02 /2008 Time 4:28:09




Baghdad, Feb 18, (VOI) – The European Commission energy advisor has held several meetings with Iraqi officials from the ministries of foreign affairs, oil and planning to discuss the possibility of establishing a EU-Iraq strategic partnership.

"Arriving in Baghdad on Saturday, the commission's energy advisor Faouzi Bensarsa is currently holding meetings with Iraqi officials to examine the possibility of setting up a strategic partnership in energy between Iraq and the European Union," read a statement released by the commission's delegation in Baghdad and received by Aswat al-Iraq, Voices of Iraq, (VOI).
The energy advisor met with representatives from the Iraqi ministries of foreign affairs, electricity, oil and planning as part of cooperation between the EU and Iraq.
"Energy is a fundamental element for the development of the Iraqi economy. The EU's energy market, the largest unified market in the world, provides opportunities for the development of Iraqi power supplies, particularly in the natural gas sector," according to the statement.
"Iraq has a huge potential for renewable energy, particularly the solar energy, and it will certainly benefit from the EU's technology in this aspect," the statement pointed out.
The partnership has been set as part of the EU's external energy policy for the period 2007-2009, the statement indicated, highlighting significant progress achieved on the Arab Gas Pipeline and envisioning a full partnership with Iraq in the near future.
(www.aswataliraq.info)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 11:07 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


Iraq to Become Natural Gas Exporter

Iraq has 6.3 trillion cubic meters of proven natural gas reserves, about 2% of the world reserves and 6% of the Arab Gulf reserves and the government is working on plans to develop the industry, announced oil minister Dr. Hussain al-Shahristani.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 11:08 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Lee vows to support Iraq's reconstruction efforts
By Yoo Cheong-mo

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Seoul, 18 February 2008 (Yonhap news agency)
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Source: Yonhap news agency
President-elect Lee Myung-bak and KRG Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani
President-elect Lee Myung-bak said Thursday that his incoming government will contribute to economic reconstruction and development projects in Iraq, including in its northern Kurdish region.

Lee, who will be sworn in on 25th February, made the remark while meeting visiting Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani of the Kurdistan Regional Government at his office in downtown Seoul. Barzani is in Seoul to sign a memorandum of understanding with a consortium led by the Korea National Oil Corp on cooperation and partnership in infrastructure construction and oil field development in the Kurdish region.

"I was in the Kurdish region long before and have a special interest in it. I'm convinced Korean enterprises will greatly support the region's development in the future," said Lee, referring to his travels to Iraq while serving as CEO of Hyundai Engineering and Construction decades ago.

"The Kurdish area is rich in oil resources. I hope the regional government will continue to give a lot of business opportunities to Korean companies," said the president-elect.

In response, Barzani expressed gratitude at the dispatch of Korean troops to Iraq and confirmed his intention to capitalize on the abundant experiences of Korean companies in the area by maintaining close relations, according to Lee's aides who attended the meeting.

"The Kurdish people regard Koreans as part of their society and family. My government intends to form closer relations with Korean enterprises in the future," Barzani was quoted as saying.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 11:10 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Murder Trial to Start in Iraqi's Death
Atlanta Journal-Constitution | February 18, 2008
When Army Spc. Christopher Phillip Shore's court-martial begins Feb. 19, his father will tell jurors that the Georgia soldier is a fine warrior trained to kill with uncanny precision -- but never to murder.

That is the charge against Shore, who spent 15 months at war and became the first soldier from Georgia to be charged with the murder of an Iraqi. If found guilty, he could face a maximum penalty of life without parole.

Convinced of his son's innocence, Brian Shore will take the stand along with his older son Derrick Sparks, several of Phillip Shore's platoon mates and a forensic pathologist at the court-martial in Honolulu, where Shore's battalion in the 25th Infantry Division is based.

Army prosecutors will try to convince a jury of soldiers that Shore killed an Iraqi detainee during a raid near the northern city of Kirkuk last June.

Shore, 26, of Winder, has said he was ordered to shoot the unidentified man by his patrol leader, Sgt. 1st Class Trey Corrales but that he deliberately missed.

Corrales will face his own court-martial April 22 for premeditated murder, soliciting another soldier to shoot an unarmed detainee and then impeding an investigation by planting an AK-47 rifle near the victim.

During the night of June 22, Shore's platoon raided houses thought to be harboring insurgents. They rounded up several men whose hands tested positive for explosives.

Shore testified at his Article 32 hearing that at some point during the raid, he ran out into a courtyard and saw one of the detainees wounded on the ground. Corrales ordered Shore to "finish him," Shore testified.

He said he fired his M-4 Carbine but intentionally missed the man. The detainee died two days later.

Shore reported the incident to his supervisors. "If I were guilty, why would I turn myself in?" he said in an interview in October.

Brian Shore said he would do anything to save his child. The salesman for Cook's Pest Control in Lawrenceville raised $30,000 for his son's defense. He questions why the Army went after his son and believes the U.S. military has fallen prey to the politics of the Iraq war. "I'm angry," said Shore, a man whose unquestioning faith in the military withered as the case against his son progressed.

"After all this, they just want some sort of conviction," he said. "There can't be any kind of reality to this. It's got to be political."

Iraq's real-time war has fueled debate on the prosecution of war crimes. Some Americans, like Brian Shore, believe the U.S. military has been overzealous in showing Iraqis that it is willing to go after its own.

Others believe the opposite: that U.S. troops get away with the abuse and deaths of Iraqis. And even when they are prosecuted, they are judged leniently by their military peers.

They point to cases like the 2005 killings of up to 24 civilians in Haditha. None of the involved Marines will face murder charges.

The Army has charged 29 soldiers in Iraq with Article 118, or murder under the United States Code of Military Justice. According to the Army Judiciary, 26 of those 29 soldiers faced trial, 13 were convicted of murder and eight were found guilty of a lesser offense.

The latest was another 25th Infantry Division soldier, Sgt. Evan Vela, who was convicted earlier this month for shooting an unarmed Iraqi man and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Whatever the beliefs about war crimes prosecutions, at least one military law expert thinks that high-profile incidents like the Haditha killings and the Abu Ghraib prisoner scandal have cast a spotlight on American wrongdoing in Iraq.

"I think the armed services are more concerned with the protection of detainees than they were in previous wars such as Vietnam," said Gary Solis, a former Marine Corps judge advocate who is now an adjunct professor at Georgetown Law School. "Not that there are more incidents now but that greater attention is given to reporting these incidents."

Solis contends that in today's combat zone, it's difficult to push things under the mat. Every soldier has a camera, a laptop and a cellphone.

"There are no secrets anymore," he said. "The answer is always: 'We have to investigate.' "

Solis, who did two tours of Vietnam, said "onesies or twosies" happened all the time in that war.

"Nobody can get away with that now," he said.

A plethora of Web sites, many of them developed by military veterans and conservative Christians who are upset by the prosecutions of men and women in uniform, have popped up in recent months.

"If you are charged with a capital crime in Iraq or Afghanistan, we will try and help you," said Pat Barnes, a retired Marine who also went to Vietnam twice and now helps run Military Combat Defense Fund, a nonprofit that disburses money to service members who need legal help. One who benefited is Corrales, Shore's platoon leader.

The group's mission statement says: "We believe in the fundamental decency of our armed forces." Barnes' take is more pragmatic.

"These people aren't rich. They are blue-collar kids," he said. "Who knows the circumstances? I can't make a judgment but we can help."

The judgment to take Shore to trial was made by the commander of the 25th Infantry Division. Solis could not comment on the specifics of the case but he wondered why Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon decided to proceed to trial after a report issued in November stated that the Army lacked evidence to charge Shore with murder.

Lt. Col. Raul Gonzalez presided over the Article 32 hearing and concluded that no evidence existed to link shots fired by Shore to the detainee's death.

While an Article 32 recommendation is nonbinding, Solis questioned why Mixon decided to disregard such a specific report.

The Article 32 conclusions instilled hope for Shore and his family. His lawyer, Michael Waddington of Augusta, was confident the Army would toss the murder charges.

Then came Mixon's decision, just days before Christmas. And with it, the Shore family see-sawed between anger one minute and worry the next.

"This trial's just going to be a repeat of the Article 32," Brian Shore said. "No new evidence has come up. Why are they punishing him?"

Brian Shore said he hoped the trial would end the family's ordeal, one that consumes him as he hits the road to sell his chemicals and as he goes to sleep each night.

The trial is expected to last two to five days.

Specialist Shore said he is confident he will be exonerated. He spent the week before his trial moving his wife and two young daughters into new housing on post.

Brian Shore said he's not nervous either. "I know my kid. And I'm going in there with the truth."
(www.militarynews.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 11:18 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Incase you did not know
____________________________________________________________

More than 70 international firms have registered to compete for tenders to help develop Iraq's oil reserves, the world's third largest, the country's oil ministry said on Monday.

Big oil firms such as Royal Dutch Shell and Total have been positioning themselves for years to gain access.

"We are going to carefully study and check the documentation. Next month we will declare the companies which are permitted to work in the Iraqi oil fields," Oil Ministry spokesman Asim Jihad told Reuters.

Iraq produces about 2.3 million barrels of oil a day, a fraction of its 115 billion barrels of proven crude oil reserves, surpassed only by Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Some oil companies have already signed deals with the largely autonomous northern Kurdistan region, a move that has angered the government in Baghdad, which has threatened to blacklist them and declare the deals illegal.

Firms from Europe, Asia and America are among those who have registered to bid for Iraqi oil contracts, Jihad said.

Shell and Spanish energy company Repsol YPF are among those that have said they have registered.

(http://uk.reuters.com/article/allBre...080218?rpc=401&)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 11:21 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

http://www.business24-7.ae/cs/articl...eadlineID=2398

‘Buy’ recommendation on Iraq By Frank Kane on Sunday, February 17 , 2008

It is always risky to “call” a market – to make that instant judgement of whether the time is right to buy shares, release that crucial piece of investment, or open the representative office that you hope will drive business in a new, previously untapped area.

It is much riskier when that market is unstable, economically volatile and subject to the whims of the world’s politicians, militias and others with ideological motives and separate agendas. Nevertheless, calculated on the basis that all business and economic cycles have a bottom, now may be the time to look at the prospect of doing business again in Iraq.

Since 2003, the country has been virtually a no-go area for international business. After decades of mismanagement by the former regime, what was left of the economic infrastructure after the American invasion was virtually unusable. I remember a conversation in London, just after Saddam was overthrown, with one of the leading players in the energy services business, who had just won a share of one of the huge contracts being handed out to Western (mainly American) corporations. He had one basic reservation – he had no idea when he could begin work. Five years on, he is still waiting.

Now, I am no security expert, and I am well aware it is in the interests of the present US administration to paint as favourable a picture of the Iraq situation as it can. I am aware too that there are continuing and unacceptable levels of violence and instability within the country, and political and military factors that could change everything in an instant. Putting all these reservations to one side for a moment, let me point to two recent developments that give me some confidence that something approaching normal business life might just be resuming in Iraq.

The first involves the crucial energy industry, which is the foundation of the Iraqi economy and must function efficiently before we can talk about any meaningful recovery. The major international oil companies are currently finalising tenders for licences to operate oil and gas fields in Iraq, with the aim of more than doubling oil production in the next five years.

Iraq currently produces something like 2.4 million barrels of oil a day (bpd), but the authorities believe it is perfectly feasible to push this to six million bpd by 2013, assuming a continuation of improvement in the security and political situation. They are considering too how to add to Iraq’s refining capacity to handle this surge in crude production. There are also plans to make Iraq an exporter of gas, of which it also has huge reserves, and the country recently sent a team to gas-rich Qatar to learn how to build and operate a gas processing export facility.

The other straw in the wind was the recently announced plan for Iraqi Airways to buy 40 aircraft from Boeing in a deal worth $6 billion. After the UN-imposed travel ban, and the chaos of five years of war and occupation, the airline badly needs access to the world’s great financial capitals.

It is still early days, and with such a high-profile issue in a US presidential election year, anything might happen. But now seems as good a time as any to resume, or initiate business with Iraq.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 18, 2008 2:22 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

Your scenerios for Iraq left out the winner being McCain. That being so, things would then continue on without a precipitous pullout from Iraq and massive genocide of the Iraqi people.. or a devolution into civil war and/or Iran taking over. In which case, the Dinar fortunes move on, continuing at this less-than-stellar pace we now see them in, but still gradually moving toward a RV.. someday. As optimist said, there will be ways to make money from Iraq for those who are looking, as it has an awful lot of "black gold" and the world is in need of it. I still think the Dinar fortunes look good. I reiterate that I personally don't even consider the other scenerios as I am certain Obama and Clinton will be disqualified from above, and God will move the circumstances to allow McCain the office He wills him to have no matter what those two opposing camps do in their desperate attempts to put themselves into power. I, of course, believe that the final nod of approval comes from on high.. and neither of them have that nod. McCain does.

Roger - You are right about research money motivating people to NOT find a cure but to keep on researching in order to receive money (mammon). I had not considered this concerning human researchers into cancer (food and drug manufacturers who stand to make huge profits from their products like MSG, yes, but not researchers into cancer, etc..) I had forgotten that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, and those who will do anything to obtain it have motives I forget exist because I don't have them. (You cannot serve God AND mammon/money.) Thanks for the reminder.. reality is harsher than the compassionate view I take from a God who cares for people and wishes only their best and health.

3Jo 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.

Obviously, God wishes our gain and prosperity.. and health, first.
It is far too easy to forget that there are those whose motives are less honorable than that which they should have toward mankind..
namely, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health.

Sara.

-- February 18, 2008 10:04 PM


Sara wrote:

This newly released UK dossier stated that, quote:

".. former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's regime had acquired uranium, retained the ability to manufacture chemical and biological weapons and was developing long-range missiles."

And we all KNOW how peaceful Saddam's intentions were.. with the uranium (what could he possibly have been thinking of using that for?), and the chemical and biological weapons he had the ability to manufacture (peaceful purposes, obviously.. ask the Kurds).. and the long-range missiles (what could they have been for?.. ask the Israelis.. I am sure they may have an idea or two for you.)

But nevermind.. the peaceniks will say it was all "spin doctors"..

===

Govt publishes Iraq WMD dossier first draft
Mon Feb 18, 1:56 PM

LONDON, Feb 18, 2008 (AFP) - The government on Monday released an early draft of its controversial dossier on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, after losing a bid to keep it secret.

The 30-page draft, drawn up by the Foreign Office's then communications director John Williams on July 24, 2002, and classified "confidential", had been the subject of a request under Britain's freedom of information laws.

Campaigners have been pushing for it to be made public, claiming it could show that the final dossier -- in which it was claimed Iraq could launch WMD within 45 minutes -- was the work of government "spin doctors".

The government has always maintained Williams' paper was not relevant as the final dossier was the work of its intelligence agencies. The 45-minute claim -- later discredited -- is not contained in the press chief's document.

Instead, it concentrates on allegations that former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's regime had acquired uranium, retained the ability to manufacture chemical and biological weapons and was developing long-range missiles.

At one point a hand-written note in the margins calls for more detail about the chemical weapons used by the Iraqis.

The published dossier -- which came out in September 2002 -- was at the heart of a row between the government and the BBC, which accused it of overstating or "sexing up" the claims about WMD to make the case for war.

Edward Davey said, "The government cannot continue to deny the major role that spin doctors played in creating this dossier. The core analysis of the threat allegedly posed by Iraq is the same in both documents."

Davey's counterpart at the main opposition Conservative Party, William Hague, said similarities between the Williams document and the published dossier was fresh proof the government had "spun" its case for war.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080218/world/britain_iraq_war_dossier_politics_intelligence_1

What about revisiting some post invasion intel?

Like this:

.. concerning the 36 million captured pages of documentation, when it was put on the net for public translation, it was removed after they found quote, "detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb." As The New York Times confirmed in their issue November 3, 2006, Saddam had complete plans for a nuclear weapon and was in the process of procuring parts when the US removed him. Quote: "nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away." [54]

Additionally, tapes with Saddam speaking on them also surfaced and certain sinister remarks Saddam made on the tapes were translated which showed that he threatened to use WMD on Washington, DC. In the article , "Saddam Translator: ABC Reinterpreted Tapes" dated Feb. 17th 2006, the FBI translator who supplied the 12 hours of Saddam Hussein audiotapes excerpted by ABC's "Nightline" says the network discarded his translations and went with a less threatening version of the Iraqi dictator's comments. In the "Nightline" version of the 1996 recording, Saddam predicts that Washington, D.C., would be hit by terrorists. But he adds that Iraq would have nothing to do with the attack. Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity. In a passage not used by "Nightline," Tierney says Saddam declares: "Terrorism is coming. ... In the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. What if we consider this technique, with smuggling?" [55]

Concerning additional tapes uncovered where Saddam is being briefed by his Son-in-law, Lieutenant General Hussein, ABC News reports his words to Saddam Hussein: "Sir, I would not be speaking so openly if it were not for your excellency's and Mr. Tariq's clarification and statement that we produced biological weapons. We did not reveal all that we have. Secondly, they don't know about our work in the domain of missiles. With regard to the issue of the chemical, sir, ... In the chemical, sir, they have a problem far bigger than the biological, bigger than the biological. Not the type of the weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct. They don't know any of this. We did not reveal the volume of the chemical weapons that we had produced. We did not reveal the type of the chemical weapons. We did not reveal the truth about the volume of the imported materials. In the nuclear, sir, in the biological, we also disagree with them. As for the nuclear, we say we have disclosed everything but no. We have undeclared problems in nuclear as well, and I believe that they know. There are teams working with no one knowing about some of them. I go back to the question of whether we should reveal everything or continue to be silent... I would say it is in our interest not to reveal. Not just out of fear of disclosing the technology we achieved, or to hide it for future work... [56]

Another of the documents show that Saddam ordered suicide attacks on the US, which then, within a year, could have become nuclear. In the article "Saddam Ordered Suicide Attacks on U.S. Targets" dated April 6th 2006, it states, "A newly translated document from Saddam Hussein's intelligence files indicates that the Iraqi dictator ordered suicide attacks against U.S. targets six months before the 9/11 attacks." [57]

Also, there was another document discovered proving that Saddam was intending to attack London in this article "Saddam was training terrorists for attacks in London" dated March 27th 2006 - "Among the documents released last week was a translation of a three-page Iraqi Intelligence memo regarding a wave of attacks to be conducted by the Saddam Fedayeen.According to those orders, the Fedayeen Saddam was "to start planning from now on to perform special operations (assassinations/bombings) for the centers and the traitor symbols in the fields of (London/Iran/self-ruled areas) and for coordination with the Intelligence service to secure deliveries, accommodations, and target guidance."" [58]

http://www.conservapedia.com/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom#Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction

The peaceniks are again arguing there was no reason to go to war in Iraq.. not for the US nor for the UK. This intel begs to differ with that opinion and I believe if Patton were still here to command, he would have come to the same very justifiable conclusion of the current command.. namely, that the war was inevitable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

Only perhaps Patton would not have backed down from this intel for political reasons - because Patton was not a politician (who has to worry about getting elected again and so remaining popular with the people) but "only" a military commander whose sole interest was commanding the forces so as to make the nation win against a deadly enemy.

Sara.

-- February 19, 2008 1:37 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Forces withdrawal national demand, still we fear security vacuum, says Hashimi 19/02/2008 15:49:00

Baghdad (NINA)- The withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq is a national demand, but what many political powers and figures fear is the security vacuum that would follow such withdrawal, stated Vice-President Tariq Al-Hashimi.
(www.ninanews.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 19, 2008 10:58 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Rockets slam Baghdad's international airport
Five killed as rockets hit Baghdad airport’s housing complex, adjoining US military base.

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Baghdad, 19 February 2008 (Middle East Online)
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Source: Middle East Online
12 rockets fell in and around the airport and nearby Camp Victory
A barrage of rockets slammed into Baghdad's international airport and an adjoining US military base Monday, killing five civilians and wounding 16, including two US soldiers, officials and witnesses said.

The deaths and injuries of the civilians occurred when Katyusha rockets crashed into a workers' housing complex within the perimeter of the airport, residents said.

Many houses were damaged.

"Eight Iraqis, including six children, were taken to a coalition force medical clinic for treatment," the US military said in a statement.

It said rockets also struck areas of Camp Victory US military base adjoining the airport.

Six suspects were arrested in the immediate aftermath of the attack, the military said.

"Coalition and Iraq security force quick reaction teams swept the area and captured several insurgents at the scene of the rocket launch," the statement said.

"Six suspects were taken into custody for questioning and one unexploded rocket was recovered."

Twelve 107 mm rockets fell in and around the airport and the nearby Camp Victory, the main US military base on the western outskirts of Baghdad, the US military official said, speaking on anonymity of anonymity ahead of the official release of the information.

He said Camp Victory was hit and two soldiers suffered light injuries but that most of the casualties were in a housing complex for airport employees, about half a mile from the airport. Camp Victory, on the western outskirts of Baghdad, is the site of the main US military headquarters.

Iraqi police earlier reported that six to 13 rockets also struck the US-protected Green Zone on Monday afternoon, but the US military official denied that report.

In other violence, a roadside bombing in the northwestern city of Mosul killed three civilians and wounded four others, police said. The US military has described Mosul as the last major urban stronghold of al-Qaida in Iraq.

Separately, the leader of a US-allied Sunni Arab group said his fighters were returning to posts they abandoned Saturday in protest over what he said was a US airstrike the previous day that killed three of the group's members in the village of Jurf al-Sakr, south of Baghdad.

It was the latest claim of a mistaken killing of civilians or US-allied fighters by American forces. The cases have raised concern about future cracks in Sunni cooperation with US forces.

Sheik Sabah al-Janabi, the chief of the local Awakening Council, as the groups are known, ordered a three-day walkout, demanded that the US military apologize, provide compensation for relatives of the victims and promise it won't happen again. He reversed that decision Monday.

"Our fighters have resumed their patrolling and their checkpoint duties as of today after the Americans responded to our demands," he said without elaborating.

Col. Tom James, commander of the 4th Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division, which is responsible for the area, acknowledged US forces killed two members of the Awakening Council and a third man but said they were acting in self-defense after coming under small-arms fire during an operation targeting an extremist.

He said American troops take great care to pinpoint Awakening Council checkpoints so they can avoid targeting them during operations, but claimed the killed men had left their posts and were mistaken for insurgents.
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 19, 2008 11:01 AM


Sara wrote:

Iraq rounds up the Baghdad beggars used as human bombs
February 19, 2008

The Iraqi Interior Ministry has ordered police to round up beggars, vagabonds and mentally disabled people from the streets in Baghdad to prevent them from being used by insurgents as suicide bombers, a spokesman said today.

The decision came after a series of suicide attacks, including two female bombers who struck pet markets in Baghdad on February 1, killing nearly 100 people. Iraqi and US officials have said the women were mentally disabled and apparently unwitting bombers.

The people detained in the Baghdad sweep will be handed over to governmental institutions that can provide shelter and care for them, said Major General Abdul-Karim Khalaf.

“This will be implemented nationwide starting from today. Militant groups, like al-Qaeda in Iraq, have started exploiting these people in a very bad manner to kill innocents as they do not raise suspicions."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3398615.ece

-- February 19, 2008 2:57 PM


Sara wrote:

Iraq inches toward luring big oil investment
International oil companies still not ready to commit massive sums into war-torn Iraq.
2008-02-19
By Simon Webb – DUBAI

Iraq is inching toward attracting the billions of dollars needed to revamp its oil sector but international oil companies are still not ready to commit the massive sums required.

Iraq has the world's third largest oil reserves, its reservoirs are among the cheapest anywhere to develop and the country is desperate for investment after years of sanctions and war.

The lure of Iraq is all the more powerful as big oil has limited access to the Middle East's lucrative oilfields, which are mostly off-limits to foreign investors.

An oil official said last year Iraq's oil sector could need as much as $75 billion.

US officials say the main reason foreign oil majors have avoided Iraq is the lack of an oil law, not security concerns.

"The outside perception is that things have improved on security but it is still a concern. The issue of the oil law is throwing up more interesting questions. Is the federal government signalling it intends to proceed with oil development without a clear legal framework in place?"

Iraq has not said what fields it will tender or on what terms, but the deals are seen as a stop-gap until the oil law is passed and will not provide the long-term involvement big oil companies crave.

"Companies are signalling their readiness to be involved," said Mustafa Alani, senior consultant at Dubai-based think tank the Gulf Research Center. "It's the foot-in-the-door strategy. They are involved but they are not committed. And until security and the legal issue are completely clarified, they won't commit."

"We will do the acrobatics that the oil ministry requires of us," said one oil company executive, referring to the process of registering for tenders.

"But in the end big oil companies have similar financing, shareholders, pension schemes and analysts. And with poor security and absolutely no legal framework in place, it is going to be a long time before we can persuade them that it is a good idea for the company to invest $5 billion to $10 billion in Iraq."

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/business/?id=24421

-- February 19, 2008 3:13 PM


Roger wrote:

Just came from the dentist.
Funny, when I say "S" it whissles.

-- February 20, 2008 9:12 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Hope of final draft of oil law in March.
____________________________________________________________

Iraq Oil and Gas Law caught in a bitter row

Wednesday, February 20, 2008 08:16 GMT Though all Iraqi parties have agreed that Oil and Gas law is vital to securing foreign investment to boost Iraq's oil output and rebuild its shattered economy, the law remains stalled by bitter wrangle between Baghdad and the Kurdistan region over who is entitled to control the fields and how revenues will be shared

A US official in Baghdad, who asked not to be identified, noted that ratifying Oil Law requires the political will to reach the kind of compromises both sides need to make to achieve this. He added that there is a possibility to solve rows over sharing revenues, yet the issue of existent and future contracts remains the major hindrance. US officials said the main reason foreign oil companies are avoiding Iraq is the lack of the law, not security concerns.

“The law has been debated for a year, that's long enough. If we want Iraq's economy to stand on its own feet, then we should pass it as soon as possible,” Ali Hussain Balou, head of the parliamentary oil and gas committee, told Reuters.

Balou hoped a final draft would be ready for debate in parliament when the legislature returns from its winter recess in the third week of March, although such hopes have been shattered many times before.


He revealed as well that Kurdistan regional government Prime Minister Neshervan Barazani will soon visit Baghdad for talks on the law mainly regarding four debated annexes that had previously been drafted to solve the wrangle between Baghdad and Kurdistan over control of oil fields and contracts. The first two annexes include developed and partially developed fields of Iraq’s proven reserves. Annex III covers undeveloped fields, while Annex IV lists 65 exploration blocks.

Another controversial key issue is the federal oil council that the oil ministry wants to manage the industry. In this context, Kurds view that the council is taking over too much control.

For his part, Vice President of parliament’s oil and gas committee Abdul Hadi Al Hasani said the Kurds were rising up tension by signing oil deals with foreign firms, considered by Baghdad as illegal contracts. “The controversy is about the interpretation of regional authorities to control oil fields. The Kurds insist these annexes are not essential and the draft can be passed without them. That is unacceptable”, Al Hasani said.

On the other hand, Iraq’s Oil Ministry said that more than 70 international firms have registered to compete for tenders to help develop Iraq’s oil reserves. Oil Ministry spokesman Asim Jihad told Reuters that Iraq is going to carefully study and check the documentation and will declare next month the companies which are permitted to work in Iraqi oil fields.
(http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News...itter-row.html)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 20, 2008 3:54 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraqi National Accord Issues Paper on Oil and Gas Law

The Iraqi National Accord, a political party lead by Iraq's former prime minister, has issued the following position paper on Iraq's oil law.


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1) On Federal Oil Law & Revenue Sharing Law:


We should not confuse the two laws: the Revenue Sharing Law is a political agreement and will ensure that all Iraq's oil and other revenues go into one account to be shared fairly among all its citizens according to population and in accordance with the Constitution. In our opinion this should be passed first, to create trust on all sides and ensure fairness.
The Oil Investment Law (Oil & Gas Law) is a matter of how best to manage the Iraqi oil resources to maximize revenues for all its people.
A draft was agreed by all sides in February last year, but unauthorized changes by Ministry officials in Baghdad led to disputes and it has been stuck -- Parliament has yet to receive an agreed draft to review and vote on.
INOC (national oil company) is needed to operate the existing fields and double their current production, which is a major task.
Private companies (both Iraqi and international) should focus on the undeveloped fields to add their production to Iraq's total, under the oversight and regulation of the Government, and on the best competitive terms to give maximum revenues to the people of Iraq (less than 5% profit rate is possible for many of these discovered fields in the South of Iraq).
There must be clear separation of roles in the law, between the Ministry (whether Federal or Regional) as regulator, and the companies (whether INOC or private companies) as the regulated operators, as per best international practice and World Bank Guidelines.
The national oil company (INOC) should have no role in awarding contracts. It must behave as a professional company without special treatment or advantage. Also its Chairman, Board of Directors and Managing Director should not be politicians or Ministry officials, and it should be accountable to the Government through the Ministry of Finance.

2) Oil Policy

Iraq's production today is 2 million barrels per day -- less than in 1975 when the industry was nationalized. It should be at 10 million barrels per day, but the State has mismanaged the oil sector and misused the oil revenues. We mustn't repeat the mistakes of the past.
The Constitution calls for maximum investment, and we cannot expect that the Government can do everything itself as the old socialist mentality of the 1970s -- the Government's role should be regulation and oversight, while having capable companies Iraqi and international, investing and working in all areas of Iraq.
This will boost production quicker, providing higher revenues for Iraq and also more and higher-paying jobs for Iraqis.
Many of the countries in the region have private companies investing in their oil sector under proper investment contracts: UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Syria, Algeria and Libya. This has brought great benefit and boosted production and revenues.
The only countries with declining production and failed policies have been Iran and Kuwait, who have both followed state-strangled approaches for political reasons and with disastrous results: Iran insists on the national oil company doing everything and its production has fallen from 6 million barrels in 1979 to less than 4 million today. Kuwait with the same socialist approach has had production fall from 2.8 million barrels to 2.3 million barrels.
Unfortunately, the current officials in the Iraqi Oil Ministry are advocating the same failed state-dominated policies and contract systems of Iran and Kuwait, instead of pro-investment successful policies of other countries in the region and internationally.
We should also give preference to Iraqi private-sector companies and encourage them to invest in all sectors of the energy industry, as is normal in all developed economies. They will also be cheaper and give better terms to the Government than foreign companies, who are scared of the security and political situation and will charge more, and will not be accepted by the Iraqi people due to their history of colonialisation and political interference in the Middle East.

3) On KRG Contracts:

No matter who signs the contracts, the oil revenues will all be shared by all the citizens of Iraq as per the constitution.
Therefore all investment in Iraq today to boost production and revenues is positive.
The authorities of the regional and federal governments on oil and other matters are defined by Iraq's constitution, which is the highest law of the country. Any disputes are legal matters which can ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court.
Public arguments, disputes and accusations between officials at the regional and federal level are wrong and damage Iraq's credibility and reputation. A Federal Minister cannot decide and announce on his own what is "legal or "illegal" to suit his own ends.

4) On Ministry Incompetence:


The Oil Minister is not an oil man but a scientist and maybe a good one.
The Ministry now is open to politicization and morale is bad.
Many top officials have left the Ministry in despair.
No progress to speak of, only empty statements and future plans with ever slipping dates.
The Ministry failed to sign a single contract with anyone -- the only 'achievement' is an MOU with Iran to build an oil pipeline to send Iraq's oil to Iranian refineries!
Fuel smuggling and corruption still rife.
Bad management is causing loss for Iraq as an example, Iraq is currently flaring $7 billion a year worth of gas at least, and there is no fuel for power generation!
While pretending to want "transparency", the Ministry wants to discuss with the large oil majors (Shell, Total, BP). These companies are very capable but also bureaucratic and conservative,

whereas what Iraq really needs are fairer competition maximizing Iraqs interests as companies willing to work on the ground today (like what is happening in Kurdistan).

"Black-listing", punishing and threatening of oil companies investing in Kurdistan is not only illegal, but has harmed Iraq's reputation and access to investment and oil markets: he has suspended MOUs signed by his predecessor which were adding value to Iraq for free, and has killed the relationships with important customers like Korea and Austria/ Eastern Europe, because their companies signed with KRG! (Even Saddam never stopped exporting oil to the US!)
Ministry of Oil has been calling these companies "small and unimportant", which is nonsense (OMV is biggest company in Central Europe, Dana Gas is biggest private energy company in Middle East, Reliance is biggest energy company in India).
(http://www.aina.org/news/20080219145245.htm)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 20, 2008 3:56 PM


Anonymous wrote:

To DinarAdmin: Wouldn't it be better to have the newest entries on top?

-- February 20, 2008 4:50 PM


Roger wrote:

There are some doubters, couch dwellers and "I will see'ers" still just watching the ISX.

One more time, get in NOW.

With all the good news you all are seing here day after day, and with the exact conditions set for a boom economy in Iraq within only a couple of years from now, this is the very time (and it starts to get on the late side) to get in on the stocks.

Take a look on the official ISX site, and check the stock index, it is on a long trend upswing, and the rush have not even started yet, the value of the industry have not yet been upgraded, but the enthusiasm, business atmosphere, and the future of Iraq is shining through in the stock exchange already now. The trust in the future is gaining, and thus the value of the Industry, Banks, Investment companies, and other valuable tradeable entities.

If you toss in only a 1 Mill IQD's on the stock market, thats roughly 900 bucks, or lets say a thousand for the count.

The shares have been in the 1 Dinar range, but you start to see 1.5 Dinars more and more, what makes this so impossible to pass 10 Dinars, not much, well for a thousand bucks you are then sitting on 10.000 bucks, and that is only if you play small.

Other countries with similar situation , their economies have had a couple of years of strong uptrend, and then it reaches a plateau usually many hundred of times higher than the original starting point.

Get in on the ISX, it is a gamble as well as the Dinar itself, but it is worth a possible multi-multiplication of the investment.

You can always get in on the ISX, but when a stock costs 94 Dinars when it previously cost 1 Dinar , that's a hell of a different spot to ge in on.

Just go to the ISX site and familiarize yourself. Once you have a Warka account funded, you can start trading the same day if you wish.

If you are feeling nervous about it, well, go ahead, be my guest.

-- February 21, 2008 7:07 AM


Sara wrote:

Iraq's Sadr expected to extend militia truce: sources
Thu Feb 21, 2008
By Mariam Karouny and Wisam Mohammed

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Powerful Iraqi Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is expected to extend a six-month ceasefire by his Mehdi Army militia, two senior officials in his movement confirmed for the first time on Thursday.

They said Sadr had issued a declaration to preachers to be read during midday prayers on Friday at mosques affiliated with the cleric, whose militia was blamed for fuelling sectarian violence with minority Sunni Muslims in 2006 and 2007.

U.S. officials say the ceasefire has helped to sharply reduce violence in Iraq, and an extension of the truce would be widely welcomed.

A senior official in Sadr's movement, speaking from the holy Shi'ite city of Najaf where Sadr has offices, said the cleric would likely extend the truce for another six months.

"Sayed (Sadr) has distributed sealed envelopes to the imams of the mosques to be read tomorrow. They cannot be opened before tomorrow."

Sadr's spokesman, Salah al-Ubaidi, has previously said the cleric would issue a statement around February 23 if he was renewing the truce, while silence would mean it was over.

Distribution of Sadr's statement to religious leaders seems to indicate the anti-American cleric will renew the truce.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2008-02-21T125800Z_01_L17658794_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-SADR.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C1-topNews-5

-- February 21, 2008 10:24 AM


Sara wrote:

As in any business... what is the competition up to?

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Iran opens first oil products bourse
Tehran plans to open market for trading crude oil as part of second phase of nascent bourse
2008-02-17

TEHRAN - Iran, OPEC's number two crude oil producer, on Sunday inaugurated its first bourse for oil products and petrochemicals, in a bid to become a major player in the global downstream industry.

Iran hopes that its oil goods bourse can lead the way for a domestic downstream industry to match its upstream crude oil production, the country's main foreign currency revenue winner.

"We have been a good seller (of crude oil) and now we have a higher objective to have a share in the oil trade," Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari told reporters.

Iran claims to rank second in the region after Saudi Arabia in terms of production of petrochemicals at 22 million tons a year.

Iran plans to open a market for trading crude oil as part of the second phase of the nascent bourse at an unspecified future date.

"The first phase should operate for a while and we should find out its strong and weak points in order to open the second phase. Because the second phase is more complicated," Nozari said.

The idea of establishing a market for oil and its by-products was first mooted a decade ago, and practical steps to prepare its creation were first taken in 2001.

But its opening has lagged over administrative procedures and long-delayed moves to liberalise the price of petrochemicals which have been under the government's control.

The opening ceremony was held in Tehran via a video conference to the southern island of Kish where the new bourse is based.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/business/?id=24382

-- February 21, 2008 10:32 AM


Sara wrote:

I don't think this information is best remaining unspoken when it concerns our allies, what is happening in Iraq and security in the region (where else might they aim next?) So...

Al-Qaeda Warns Iraq Will Be Base for Attacks on Israel
By Michael Scheuer
Volume 5, Issue 7 February 20, 2008

Al-Qaeda and its allies intend to infiltrate the Levant from Iraq and then attack Israel from Jordan, Lebanon and Gaza over the next few years.

Al-Baghdadi declared:

"We trust.. and hope that .. the state of Iraq will be the foundation stone for the return of Jerusalem. The Jews and the Americans realize this, and have sought to prevent us by every means from achieving this aim. The ferocious campaign against al-Anbar and the boasting about the weakening of operations there is due to their knowledge that it is easy to bombard Israel from some of its areas" [7].

Overall, three conclusions seem reasonable: (a) al-Qaeda believes it has achieved a durable strategic victory by gaining safe haven in Iraq contiguous to the Levant; (b) Israel has assumed a heretofore unprecedented priority on the target list of al-Qaeda and its allies; and (c) however remote and dangerous the Pakistani-Afghan border region, bin Laden and his lieutenants appear quite capable of arranging a coordinated propaganda campaign over a distance of thousands of miles.

http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2373982

-- February 21, 2008 10:44 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:



Baghdad Tempts Foreign Investment in Oil Sector

Iraq needs $75 billion to modernise its oil sector and has been inundated by offers from international oil firms seeking to capture a share of the world’s third largest proven oil reserves.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 21, 2008 1:38 PM


BritishKnite wrote:

Roger, the thing about entering into the ISX is that you could be investing in the beginnings of a bubble, such as the tech bubble of the latter part of last century. A lot of the companies floated on the stock markets in the tech boom did not have any substance, only a website. There is the danger of similar shell companies existing in Iraq just to get listed, but with no real business behind them. I have not looked into the actual companies listed. These are just my thoughts. Approach with caution.

On another note, have you received your e-banking details from Warka yet? I got mine last month after pestering them for 2 months - thanks for the help Steve. I kept getting e-mails saying that my request had been forwarded to so-and-so. It got passed to about 4 different people before the last one asked me to send my details again. Then he spelt my name wrong. He corrected it after a week though. Persistence does pay off!

-- February 21, 2008 1:46 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I continue to be amazed that Iraq continues to hold to a managed rate of the currency. Iraq has the the reserves both in hard currency and in gold to support a change in the exchange rate. While I do not believe in an overnight revaluation; I do believe these reserves can support a free floating dinar within specific parameters. What is the CBI waiting for?

There may be three items keeping the managed rate in place. With over 70 oil companies submitting TSA per the request of the Oil Ministry and talk of the draft law making it through parliment in March; the passage of the Hydro Carbon Law will open a flood gate of money from the oil majors into Iraq's oil sector. I think the oil ministry and the GoI see the same potential. This may be one part of the puzzle leading to a change in the exchange rate.

Next, the completion of the current standby agreement. Unfortunatley, this agreement does not expire until 2009, which may moot point. We all know that the Presidency of GWB will end in Jan 2009. If the new President elect is not John McCain, I think the Iraqis have run out of time and we may see hurried movement by GoI.

-- February 21, 2008 10:28 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I read this morning about more cross border incursions by Turkey chasing the PKK. It is imperative that the United States and the Iraqis deal with this issue. Turkey crossing Iraq's border is not the answer. Unfortunatley, this type of incursion can ultimately lead to further destablization of the region. It is time for the U.S. to exert the required pressure on a fellow member of NATO. It is also time for the U.S. and Iraq to do what it said it would do and address the PKK issue.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 22, 2008 10:18 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I read this morning about more cross border incursions by Turkey chasing the PKK. It is imperative that the United States and the Iraqis deal with this issue. Turkey crossing Iraq's border is not the answer. Unfortunatley, this type of incursion can ultimately lead to further destablization of the region. It is time for the U.S. to exert the required pressure on a fellow member of NATO. It is also time for the U.S. and Iraq to do what it said it would do and address the PKK issue.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 22, 2008 10:18 AM


Roger wrote:

BritishKnite,

Of course, ANY stock exchange is what it is, a gamble.

Yes the techbubble, or the mostly commonly known, "Dot Com" , bubble was pretty hillarious.

This was in the early and middle of the -90's when the internet was a new thing, and you could get very far by sheer no knowledge of what a computer is (was). 18 year old kids were running around with Ferraris and were janked from Highschools with promise of super jobs before they even had graduated. If they were able to make a page on a site, they were hired.

No, the industry in Iraq is there, it is a genuine industry, it is however hopelessly in need of modern stuff, and the value of the industry is therefore very very low, at this point. The investment in that industry will enhance the value, also to the degree the government are dishing out contracts, the industry will be up and rolling, and I can forsee at least a 10 perhaps a 15 year long building boom, starting ....about now.

You can go to (Steve can help you with this) Govt sites and see what companies that are on the stock market are paritally owned by the state, for other sectors, of course like anything else, buyers beware, but I dont object too much in Banks, or perhaps some invesment companies.

Yes I have had my bank codes for a very long time, sorry that they had your name spellet wrong, but good that you were able to sort things out at the end.

-- February 22, 2008 10:45 AM


Sara wrote:

The current escalation of war in Iraq.. by Turkey launching ground forces into Northern Iraq.

A senior military source in southeast Turkey told Reuters: "Thousands of troops have crossed the border and thousands more are waiting at the border to join them if necessary."

Not a minor movement.

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Turkey army launches land offensive into Iraq
Fri Feb 22, 2008
By Paul de Bendern

ANKARA (Reuters) - Turkish ground troops crossed into northern Iraq in their hunt for Kurdish PKK rebels, the military said on Friday, describing the start of a campaign one report said could last 15 days.

The White House said the United States had been informed in advance of Turkey's offensive and called on Ankara to limit the operation to "precise targeting" of the PKK rebels who have been using northern Iraq as a base to stage attacks in Turkey.

Iraq's government urged Turkey to respect its sovereignty and avoid any military action which would threaten security and stability.

"We do not expect these operations will expand because they are against the Iraqi and Turkish desire to have good relations," spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh told Reuters in Baghdad.

Turkish television said troops, backed by warplanes and Cobra attack helicopters, had moved 25 km (16 miles) inside Iraq.

Turkish TV said 3,000 to 10,000 soldiers had entered Iraq, but several Iraqi officials and a senior military official with U.S.-led coalition forces in Baghdad tried to play down the operation, saying only a few hundred troops were involved.

A senior military source in southeast Turkey told Reuters: "Thousands of troops have crossed the border and thousands more are waiting at the border to join them if necessary."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKANK00037420080222?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

-- February 22, 2008 1:08 PM


Sara wrote:

Oil prices rise on Turkish move into Iraq
Published: 2/22/2008

LONDON - Oil prices headed back towards record highs Friday with New York crude nearing 99 dollars as the market reacted to Turkey's move into northern Iraq amid persistent concerns about supply, traders said.

"Oil futures were higher after Turkey's military announced they had initiated a land offensive backed up by fighter jets into northern Iraq," said Sucden analyst Nimit Khamar.

"These fresh geopolitical developments brought oil futures back into positive territory."

Turkish troops entered northern Iraq late on Thursday to crack down on Kurdish terrorists after fighter jets struck at their bases.

The Turkish army gave no details on the scale of the operation but the NTV news channel said 10,000 troops penetrated 10 kilometers (six miles) into the autonomous Kurdish north of Iraq.

"While getting more overt and increasing in scale, the dynamics of the dispute do not seem to have changed particularly and in our view they are more illustrative of the instability of regional politics in north Iraq rather than posing any direct threat to oil flows in the regions," said Barclays Capital analyst Kevin Norrish.

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=216405&s=b&i=&t=Oil_prices_rise_on_Turkish_move_into_Iraq

-- February 22, 2008 1:13 PM


Sara wrote:

The US may have had the heads-up on this, but the Iraqi government is scrambling as they were initially quite uninformed:

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Iraq govt unaware of Turkish incursion
Fri Feb 22, 2008

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's government is not aware of any Turkish ground offensive into northern Iraq overnight to hunt down Kurdish PKK guerrillas based there, Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said on Friday.

"Until this minute, we have not received anything from the border guards about Turkish forces crossing the international border," Zebari told Reuters by telephone.

Turkey's military said it had launched the ground offensive, backed by fighter aircraft, to attack Kurdish PKK guerrillas.

The Kurdish Regional Government in the largely autonomous area denied there had been any ground incursion.

"There has been no incursion by the Turkish forces in the Kurdistan region," said Falah Mustapha, in charge of foreign relations for the KRG.

A PKK source also denied there had been any ground attack.

Turkish broadcaster NTV reported, without citing sources, that 10,000 troops had entered Iraqi territory.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKL2269659720080222

-- February 22, 2008 1:18 PM


Sara wrote:

Sadr announces extension of Iraq ceasefire
AFP - Friday, February 22 09:53 am

BAGHDAD (AFP) - Iraq's radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr has ordered the renewal of his Mahdi Army militia's six-month-old ceasefire, a Sadr spokesman in Baghdad said on Friday.

Sadr has "decided to renew the freeze on activities of the Mahdi Army for another period," spokesman Hazim al-Aaraji told AFP. "The decision was disseminated yesterday in letters that were distributed to all of Sadr's offices in Iraq."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080222/tts-iraq-unrest-sadr-ceasefire-1b578fa_1.html

-- February 22, 2008 1:24 PM


Steve wrote:

British Kite,

Go onto the ISX site, www.isx-iq.net

On the left click on, Listed comps

Then pick any sector you want

Small boxs at bottom for diff comps

Some have been around since 19-6-1946

Thats Modern Chemical Comp

There is a lot of info on the ISX site

Its just digging around to find it

Stay lucky, Steve.

-- February 23, 2008 1:08 AM


Sara wrote:

Turkish army says dozens of Kurdish rebels killed in Iraq
Fri Feb 22, 2008

ANKARA (AFP) - Turkish troops pursued Saturday their ground offensive against separatist Kurdish rebels holed up in northern Iraq in an operation that has already claimed the lives of dozens of rebels.

Iraq has protested the operation, Turkey's second incursion into its southern neighbour in three months, and the United Nations and Western powers have called for restraint.

The Turkish army's general staff said Friday in a statement on its Internet site at least 24 rebels and five of its soldiers have been killed in clashes.

It added that it believes around another 20 militants have been killed by artillery and helicopter fire, but said the exact toll would be determined once troops reach the targeted area.

Turkish soldiers poured into the mountainous, snow-bound Kurdish region of northern Iraq at 1700 GMT on Thursday after eight hours of air and artillery strikes on camps of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) there.

As Iraqi leaders summoned Friday Turkey's charge d'affaires in Baghdad to protest against the operation, Turkish leaders were quick to give assurances about the nature and scope of the incursion which began late Thursday.

"The target, purpose, size and parameters of this operation are limited," Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said. "Our armed forces will come back in the shortest time possible as soon as they achieve their objectives."

"We were notified and we urged the Turkish government to limit their operations to precise targeting of the PKK, to limit the scope and duration of their operations...," said White House spokesman Scott Stanzel.

Iraqi officials handed a note to Turkey's charge d'affaires in Baghdad protesting the incursion, while Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's spokesman said he had telephoned Erdogan urging him to respect Iraq's sovereignty.

The Turkish operation raised concerns about crude-oil supplies, traders said, driving up the price of New York's benchmark contract 58 cents to close Friday at 98.81 dollars a barrel.

The Turkish army has massed tens of thousands of troops along its border with Iraq for months and conducted several air strikes on rebel targets since the middle of December.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080223/ts_afp/turkeykurdsunrestiraq_080223014756;_ylt=Ara7k7n8Hba8ZY4vG182TOyFOrgF

-- February 23, 2008 1:57 AM


Roger wrote:

Sara,

It is a very strange situation, three countries supposedly in the same coalition, or in the same defense agreements,...the Turks, the Iraqis and the US, are involved in an operation where one country is invading another country, and according to the news, the Iraqis had no knowledge of them being invaded by the Turks.

Smells Fish to me.

Either way the PKK, they are terrorists, and have been doing terrorist actions against Turkey for quite some time, and it would be in the interest of all the parties, if the PKK was resolutely dealt with.

-- February 23, 2008 7:31 AM


Sara wrote:

True Roger.. both about it being fishy and also about the situation there. It is just that it is an escalation of war and concerns Iraq and its borders, and so it does not contribute toward peace at this time for the Iraqi people nor to Dinar stability.

Another factor remains IRAN and its intents in the region. I found this article interesting in that respect:

==

Iran 'nuclear questions remain'
22 February 2008

The UN's nuclear watchdog says it cannot provide "credible assurances" that Iran is not building a bomb despite new data supplied by Tehran.
The International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran had granted new site access but remained evasive on key issues.

Iran was still enriching uranium in defiance of UN resolutions and was testing advanced centrifuges to speed up the process, the report said.

Iran said the report was "positive" with top nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili saying "This report showed that our activities are peaceful."

'Serious concern'

But BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says the IAEA findings are mixed at best and not the clean bill of health Iran had sought.

Tehran refuses to stop enriching uranium, claiming its nuclear programme is purely for power generation.

But Friday's report said Tehran had avoided a proper response to claims it had made covert efforts to "weaponise" nuclear material, conducted high explosives testing and design work on a missile warhead.

"This is a matter of serious concern and critical to an assessment of a possible military dimension to Iran's nuclear programme," the report said.

Without this data, the agency would not be able to provide "credible assurances about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran," the report added.

In Vienna, Austria, IAEA Director-General Mohamed ElBaradei told reporters Iran had shown new transparency but this was still not "sufficient".

The nuclear watchdog reported in August 2007 that Iran had not suspended enrichment and was continuing to construct a heavy water plant (which could produce plutonium).

In December last year a US intelligence assessment claimed Iran had conducted a nuclear weapons programme until 2003 but that it had 'probably' not restarted it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7259296.stm

-- February 24, 2008 6:54 AM


Sara wrote:

The truly weird thing about that "mixed report" is the view of Iran highlighted in this article:

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Ahmadinejad Calls on U.S. to 'Apologize' Over Nuclear Claims
Saturday, February 23, 2008

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called on the U.S. and its allies Saturday to "apologize" to Iran for accusing it of seeking nuclear weapons — a day after the U.N. nuclear watchdog released its latest report on Iran's atomic program.

Ahmadinejad said the report by the International Atomic Energy Agency vindicated Iran and warned that Tehran would take unspecified "reciprocal measures" against any country that imposed additional sanctions against Iran.

The IAEA report said several past questions about Iran's nuclear program had been resolved, but highlighted Tehran's continued refusal to halt uranium enrichment.

Ahmadinejad said in a televised address to the nation that the best way for the U.S. and its allies to "compensate for their mistakes" is to "apologize and pay compensation."

"If they continue" pursuing sanctions, he said, "we have definitely drawn up reciprocal measures." Ahmadinejad did not elaborate.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332075,00.html

Any thoughts on the stated threat expounded by Ahmadinejad here..

what do you think are the "reciprocal measures"?

Sara.

-- February 24, 2008 7:01 AM


Sara wrote:

I once said I believed the order of events which would be and which I was given were (direct quote):

The US will pull back/out, there will be an escalation of war in the Middle East, the nuclear attack on American soil will not happen under President Bush. -- July 25, 2007
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2007/03/iraqi_dinar_dis_8.html#131623

So three points..
1) Pullback/out
2) Escalation of war in the Middle East
3) No nuclear attack on America under President Bush

Point one...

Well, you always have 20/20 hindsight, you know. I am glad that it ended up that the pullback/out was not the precipitous withdrawl many (mainly the Democrats) were once demanding of all forces.. which would have left the Iraqis (and still would) to their enemies for slaughter. Instead, it has been the orderly withdrawl and drawdown of troops under a military-controlled timetable as the Iraqis were able to stand up and take control - a much more sane approach than we once feared. However, tens of thousands of troops.. 22,000 troops to be exact.. withdrawn from Iraq is not an inconsiderable number for a pullback:
QUOTE:

Gates: Pause in Iraq drawdown after July 'makes sense'
February 11, 2008

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A pause in the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq after the current reduction is completed in July "makes sense," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told reporters in Baghdad Monday.

Gates made his comments after meeting with the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, who recently said he would recommend a "pause" in withdrawals after 22,000 U.S. troops return home.

A senior U.S. military official in Baghdad told CNN recently that Petraeus feels strongly there should be a period of review before he makes any decisions about additional troop withdrawals.

Petraeus is expected to come to Washington in April and brief President Bush and Congress. The official said he will emphasize that any decisions on further reductions will be based on security conditions in Iraq and the assessment of how security is being handled by Iraqi forces during the pause period.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/11/iraq.main/

My thoughts here are that the US has pulled back and there has been a drawdown of US forces with tens of thousands of troops coming back before the end of President Bush's term in office (end point 1). Perhaps it was the concerted efforts of good men and women which made it a mere "pullback" and not a "pullout", as the choice between the two appeared to be within our hands.

Point two..

We now see a rather unexpected further escalation of war (point 2).. with the Iraqi border problem in the north with Turkey which is happening now. This again involves tens of thousands of troops, these ones amassed on the northern Iraqi border. The media plays it down, but if the border was between the US and Mexico with tens of thousands of troops amassed on the border and thousands of them making an unscheduled incursion into the country without permission and without informing the US government before they did so.. how would US citizenry feel? Would the public think this a very minor problem and not an escalation of war? Iraq's government said it is a trifle nervous and I don't blame them. How minor would Americans feel it was to find 60 tanks, numerous warplanes and helicopters and over 5,000 camouflaged ground forces coming over their border and into their territory without prior notice?

===

Turkey presses offensive in Iraq, US urges short campaign
24/02/2008

AFP - Mustafa Ozer
CIZRE (AFP) - Fighting intensified Sunday between Turkish troops and Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq, amid US calls for Turkey to wrap up its military incursion in the region as swiftly as possible.

Explosions and gunfire were reported in and around Hakurk, a stronghold of the rebel Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), some 20 kilometres (12 miles) from the Turkish border.

More than a dozen Turkish warplanes could be seen heading for the area.

The PKK said Sunday it had shot down a Turkish attack helicopter, but there was no independent confirmation.

Turkish troops, backed by air support, moved into northern Iraq on Thursday evening in the largest cross-border offensive in years against PKK hideouts.

The United States cautioned its NATO ally that military measures alone could not resolve the Kurdish problem and stressed that the incursion needed to be completed as quickly as possible.

"The shorter the better," US Defence Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday.

"Just using the military techniques are not going to be sufficient to solve the problems," Gates said during a visit to Canberra.

At least 79 PKK fighters and seven soldiers have been killed and many rebel hideouts destroyed since Thursday, according to the Turkish military.

The Firat news agency, considered to be a PKK mouthpiece, reported air raids and fighting Sunday in the Zap area to the west and said about 5,000 Turkish soldiers and 60 tanks were advancing in nearby Haftanin, close to the border town of Zaho.

The Turkish army released pictures from the offensive, showing soldiers in white camouflage cloaks taking aim at unseen targets in snow-covered hills.

Despite earlier protests, Iraq's government spokesman said Sunday that Baghdad accepted the Turkish offensive posed no threat to its territorial integrity.

"We do not find these operations as an attack on Iraq's sovereignty... But we have told Turkey that the operation should not destabilise Iraq and the region," Ali al-Dabbagh told AFP.

Gates urged Ankara to be more open with Baghdad and Kurdish regional authorities about its plans after Iraq complained that it had only been informed of the operation "at the last minute".

Ankara says an estimated 4,000 PKK rebels are holed up in northern Iraq and use the region as a springboard for cross-border attacks as part of their campaign for self-rule in the Kurdish-majority region of southeast Turkey.

http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/newsmlmmd.f696aab8e218a0c1af9c9ad2a934dfe6.371.html

Glad to hear that the Iraqis have considered this not an attack on the sovereignty of Iraq. It is, however, a further escalation of tensions and war in the region.

Point three..

The third point remains true.. there still won't be a nuclear attack on US soil under President Bush. It would be foolish to enrage the citizenry under the hawkish President Bush at a time when Democratic hopefuls are thinking a man very soft toward Muslim objectives (Obama) and with dove objectives seems to have a shot at the Whitehouse.

From my perspective so far.. so good.
Three for three.

1) Pullback - 22 thousand troops pulled back
2) Escalation of Mideast war (concerning Iraq) beyond the current parameters - Turkey invades Iraq's northern border with tanks, planes, helicopters and camouflaged ground troops
3) No nuclear attack on America under President Bush

Sara.

-- February 24, 2008 9:00 AM


Sara wrote:

Election '08: For candidates, Iraq debate shifts
The question used to be 'withdraw or not'? But now, some progress in Iraq is prompting a more nuanced discussion.
By Howard LaFranchi
February 25, 2008

WASHINGTON - While it may have been eclipsed by the economy, Iraq is almost certain to remain a top issue in the presidential campaign – though perhaps in a different way than anticipated just a few months ago.

Until recently, the debate over Iraq was framed in simple terms: withdraw or not? Democrats were essentially on one side, and the Republicans on the other.

But now a sustained reduction in violence, as well as still-fledgling but gathering signs of Iraqi political progress, is adding up to a new focus for the Iraq debate. The question, some experts say, is now less one of whether the United States will remain in Iraq under the next president, and more what kind and size of presence it will be over the course of the next presidency.

"There is no one who is planning today to have either [the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan] won before the end of the next presidency," says Anthony Cordesman, a national-security expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) in Washington.

That does not mean the US effort is destined to remain at current troop or combat levels, adds Mr. Cordesman. But it could mean that what he calls "unrealistic" talk of rapid withdrawal will be replaced with discussion of such complex issues as advisory and training efforts and development and governance aid.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain is a firm supporter of the war and has received flak from Democratic candidate Barack Obama for suggesting that Iraq could see the kind of sustained US involvement that continues in Germany and Japan more than a half century after World War II.

Both Senator Obama and his Democratic opponent, Hillary Rodham Clinton, speak in terms of a quick withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. Yet both also leave the door open to continuing to fight Al Qaeda in Iraq and to pursuing other goals such as training Iraqi security forces.

Discounting political rhetoric, Cordesman – who recently returned from a 10-day trip to Iraq and Afghanistan – says a crucial determining factor for Iraq will be the quality of the transition from the Bush presidency to the next. "It will be absolutely critical to have a smooth transfer of plans, resources, command, and action from the current presidency to the next presidency," he says. "If that falters or is inadequate, it could have … devastating consequences."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0225/p03s02-usfp.html

-- February 24, 2008 8:48 PM


Sara wrote:

Worth mentioning in passing is that when it was in fashion to call for the impeachment of President Bush, I made the prediction that God would not allow him to be impeached and if anyone did mount such an effort it would be time and money wasted. Since then the "danger" of such a move being initiated has passed, and the prediction remains true.. he will not be impeached and anyone attempting to do so is truly wasting their efforts. It may look obvious now, but it truly wasn't when I made the prediction.. it was truly being considered at that time.

A couple of earlier posts on the subject I wrote from July and August last year, then January this year.

QUOTE:

Instead of taking the threats President Bush has presented to the public seriously, the American people have sat in front of their TV sets, deploring the violence, siding with the peaceniks and then deciding the war isn't worth it. Quote from above: "The public has largely lost faith in the war, Congress is weighing ways to end it, and international partners have fading memories of the 2001 attacks against the U.S."

In light of this, the GOP party, which really does wish to remain in power, is seeking to get the votes needed to remain in power.. and are softening their stance toward the war. President Bush and the GOP could cave in and go with genocide on the Iraqi people and the American Hiroshima which follows it, but President Bush knows better and that it is the wrong direction to take for the nation, and appears willing enough to forego being popular and following popular sentiment that he will do what is right in the face of an incredible amount of adversity, skepticism and attacks upon him and his correct policy decisions. I believe he will continue to work to keep the GOP on sound ground and keep the nation from catastrophe under his watch.

He could cave in and let them have their genocide of the Iraqi people and the American Hiroshima which follows it on his watch, but he knows better and won't do that. He will resist, even if it is unpopular, because he knows he is right, so help him God. And they won't be able to impeach him, even if they try. And if they try, they will answer for the attempt to God. - July 25, 2007
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2007/03/iraqi_dinar_dis_8.html#131611

President Bush will not be impeached, nor will the terrorists successfully attack US soil while he is the President. This is partly because it would be foolish to do so because it would galvanize public opinion behind the President and focus it against them (the thing the terrorists least wish to happen) - partly because of the measures President Bush has put in place to protect the American people, and there are other reasons as well.
- Aug 9, 2007
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2007/03/iraqi_dinar_dis_8.html#131903

It is true I have mentioned things the Lord has spoken to me... such as President Bush will not be impeached (he has not been and will not be), there will be no attack on US soil during his Presidency (not because the GOP are scaremongering but due to the Grace of Almighty God) and the fact that there will be an escalation of war on Iraqi soil (which we now see daily with the Turks interfering on their northern border). I have also mentioned that the upward valuation of the Dinar is the Lord's will, but that there are huge spirits in the region working against it who hate the Lord and His people - they appear to be (at least similar to, if not the exact same) spirits of Persia as mentioned by Daniel in that book of the Old Testament.
http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2007/08/this_is_the_new.html#133432

I believe this prediction concerning the President not being impeached is yet another prediction fulfilled.

Of course, I claim no knowledge above the average, only a knowledge of Him who is above the average, and the occasional time when He is pleased to speak so that I may hear accurately from Him. The unbelieving may cavil all they will, I believe it is the truth - such as will and has stood the test of time.

Sara.

-- February 25, 2008 1:22 AM


Investor wrote:

The Door to Iraq's Oil Opens
This is a great article by someone who knows the oil industry and the region very well. Bhadrakamur was in the Indian Foreign service for 29 years, and is the former Indian ambassador to Uzbekistan. Informative and well worth the read.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JB16Ak05.html

The door to Iraq's oil opens
By M K Bhadrakumar

The cynosure of Western eyes at the meeting of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, commonly known as OPEC, in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates, last December 5 was an unexpected personality - Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani. But that wasn't a chance occurrence. By the time OPEC gathered in Vienna six weeks later, it was beyond doubt that Shahristani was on the way to becoming a celebrity in the West.

Shahristani is "a rare thing" in politics, to quote Toby Lodge, the well-known scholar on Iraq at the International Institute of Strategic Studies in London - a "not too religious, not too political, not too secular, not too pro-American Shi'ite who [Grand Ayatollah Ali] Sistani would talk to".

But for the ease with which Shahristani traversed in his later years the dividing line that separates religiosity and idealism from worldliness and pragmatism, Shahristani would have become a cult figure for human-rights activists, given his extraordinary background as a top nuclear scientist who turned a stubborn dissident, and then a reckless jail breaker from Saddam Hussein's Abu Ghraib prison where he was tortured and tucked away in solitary confinement for an impossibly long 10 years till 1991.


But in Abu Dhabi, if Shahristani became a rising star for the Western media, that was for an entirely different reason. It was hardly metaphysical. Plainly speaking, the media had good enough reason to flatter him and pamper his vanities.

Iraq's 'super giants'
Of course, the soft-spoken, English-speaking Iraqi Shi'ite dissident leader was a familiar face in Western capitals through the 1990s. But today, he is no longer a political fugitive. He is no longer an Iraqi dissident seeking patronage. On the contrary, Shahristani finds himself in an enviable position as a creator of wealth for the Western world. He holds the key to the door that opens out to the magical world of Iraqi oil.

Iraq's proven reserves of oil are only smaller than those of Saudi Arabia and Iran - and Iraq is only about 30% explored. Experts are generally of the view that Iraq's actual oil reserves could well turn out to be at least double the 115 billion barrels of proven reserves. Beyond that, it is anybody's guess as to the scale of Iraq's as-yet-untapped gas reserves.

And Shahristani is visibly getting ready to negotiate the contracts for Iraq's "super giants". In the idiom of Big Oil, "super giants" are fields with at least five billion barrels of oil in reserve. Iraq's super giants are Kirkuk (in Kurdistan), Majnoon (bordering Iran), Rumaila North and South (in the south), West Qurna (west of Basra) and Zubair (in the southeast) fields, and, possibly, the Nahr Umr and East Baghdad fields. In addition, Iraq is estimated to have 22 "giant" fields, each having more than 1 billion barrels of oil.

In fact, Iraq may host the largest untapped reserves in the world. There is a strong likelihood that Iraq's reserves may turn out to be exponentially higher than the current estimations, which are based on old-style seismic surveys. All said, unsurprisingly, the world oil market is in a tizzy when Shahristani says something, anything. He is about to sign the contracts for these and many other large Iraqi oil-producing fields.

That indeed makes Shahristani a very important statesman today - at a time when worldwide oil demands are rising and consumer countries have appeared in Asia with gargantuan appetites for energy, when the oil majors' booked reserves are in decline and the known global reserves happen to be primarily under nationalized systems.

The acuteness of the situation is apparent from the stark warning by the former chairman of the United States Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Richard Lugar, last year in a speech in New York that something like three quarters of the world's oil reserves are located in countries which are not under American influence.

To cap it all, "we're in a new oil policy ball game," as author Steve Yetiv and economist Lowell Feld recently wrote, which is that the US's capacity to ease oil prices is diminishing. On his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, US President George W Bush pushed the subject of high oil prices increasing the likelihood of an American, and therefore, a global recession. There was a time since the late 1970s until quite recently when the US's Saudi allies would have promptly pumped the market with additional oil for depressing the price. This time around, the Saudis heard out Bush, "noted that the weakening US economy is a valid concern, but they remain reluctant to increase oil supply".

The two writers pointed out, "Saudi Arabia's reluctance to address sustained high oil prices, even in the face of a potential recession, represents an important break with past Saudi oil policy ... Why? The answer may define oil in the 21st century - or at least underscore the reasons for the US to seek greater oil independence."

Urgency for Iraqi oil
Yetiv and Feld, with much hesitancy, proceed to make an absolutely unthinkable suggestion that the Saudi reluctance might be borne out of a possibility that Riyadh is "getting global markets ready for the possibility that they may not have enough oil to be a long-term fuel pump to the world".

After all, it merits attention that the US Energy Information Administration (EIA) significantly has revised its earlier 2000 prediction about how much oil Saudi Arabia would produce in 2010. The EIA scaled back the figure from 14.7 million barrels per day to just 11.4 million barrels per day. That is a major reduction. (Feld, incidentally, worked for 17 years for the US Department of Energy.)

In the current circumstances of the world energy scene, the above underscores why any plan to hasten the US effort to achieve greater oil independence translates in political terms as taking control of Iraq's oil reserves. There is simply no other viable alternative open to the US. Essentially, it boils down to the 20 words that the former US Federal Bank chief Alan Greenspan wrote towards the end of his memoir, The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: The Iraq war is largely about oil."

According to the International Energy Agency, the world demand for oil is set to increase from the current level of 85 million barrels a day ( mn b/d) to 116 mn b/d in 2030. Three quarters of the world's oil reserves (1,200 billion barrels) are located in the OPEC countries, with the Persian Gulf countries accounting for 62%. But the Persian Gulf countries are disinclined to raise their oil production sharply enough to meet the increase in global demand. Saudi Arabia, which has the world's largest oil reserves, for instance, is only planning to increase its oil production by 1.5 mn b/d over the next several years.

Therefore, it becomes imperative that Iraq plays a major role in meeting the additional global demand of 30 mn b/d during the coming two decades. There is yet another side to it. Peak oil - when global oil production will reach a peak and then begin to fall - is a real possibility sooner or later. It has happened in the US; it is happening in Britain, the North Sea and Indonesia; it is expected to happen in Mexico and some other major oil producing countries during the coming five-year period.

In this scenario, the criticality of Iraqi oil production cannot but be overstated. Furthermore, Iraq is particularly blessed in certain other ways. Apart from its massive reserves of oil and gas, the cost of oil production in Iraq at US$1 to $2 per barrel is very low. Second, the oil fields are dispersed evenly across the country. Third, Iraq's location itself is a boon. Unlike, say, the Caspian, Siberia or the Arctic, it is easy to develop oil export routes out of Iraq heading in several directions simultaneously - the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria and Turkey. All this means that rapid expansion of Iraq's oil production and the arrival of substantial amounts of Iraqi oil - exceeding 10 mn b/d - in the international market is an attainable objective.

US presses for Iraqi deals
A major impediment has been the dangerous security situation within Iraq. But a significant US achievement in recent months has been the end of much of the fighting inside Iraq. Clearly, the US has bought off large segments of the Iraqi insurgency. Thousands of Arab Sunni fighters in western Iraq and parts of Baghdad have converted themselves as "comprador" militia at the beck and call of the US military. Such US-financed "resistance fighters" could number over 80,000 former insurgents.

Today, they actively collaborate with the US military in destroying the residual forces of the Iraqi resistance in the east and north of Baghdad and in cities such as Baqubah, Tikrit and Mosul, which are the residual hotbeds of insurgency. They have virtually decapitated al-Qaeda in Iraq. The four-province region of the Multi-National Division-North (comprising Diyala, Salahuddin, Ninevah and Tamim provinces), which used to be the favorite haunt of al-Qaeda fighters, is all but completely pacified. The US forces' commander in the region, Major General Mark P Hertling, has been quoted as claiming, "So many of them [al-Qaeda fighters] are going to the desert regions to just get away from being ratted out by the citizens and being pointed out and captured.

"Some of them are saying it's not even safe in the desert because the night raids are coming to get them. And that's a good thing. We want them to keep thinking that they can't sleep well at night because we're coming after them, because, quite frankly, we are."

All indications are that the US has in the more recent period met with success in striking a similar deal with the troublesome Mahdi Army militia owing allegiance to Muqtada al-Sadr, which controls the Shi'ite districts of Baghdad.

This can be expected to have a positive impact on pipeline security. According to various estimates, there have been over 600 incidents of pipeline attacks since the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003; some 60 attacks on refineries; and over 500 attacks on tanker trucks. Close to 650 Iraqi oil workers might have been killed or wounded or kidnapped. Iraq's dual pipelines in the north heading toward Turkey were a major target of attack. The improving security situation has been a factor in increasing Iraq's oil production to nearly 2.4 mn bpd by end-2007, which is the highest level since the US invasion.

Oil production is now expected to cross the pre-war level of 2.6 million barrels by end-2008. Shahristani told The Times that he expected production to reach 6 million barrels per day within the next four years. The International Monetary Fund has predicted that Iraq's economy, boosted by the increase in oil revenues, is slated to grow by 7% this year as compared to 1.3% last year. The Times newspaper recently reported that the real estate market has been sharply picking up in parts of Baghdad city and there are visible signs of a construction boom.

As can be expected, Washington is keen to exploit the vastly improved security situation in Iraq. The Bush administration is leaning on Shahristani not to wait for the fractious Iraqi Parliament to approve the Iraqi oil law that would have provided a legal framework for foreign investment in the oil industry. As the first step, the executives of some of the world's oil majors have been meeting with Iraqi Oil Ministry officials since January 24 in Amman, Jordan, for discussing the terms of technical support contracts, which are in the nature of shorter-term deals.

Shahristani told Argus Media recently that these service contracts will "help Iraq fast-track the purchase of necessary equipment and train the Iraqi people to install them". He said these companies would be favored in a bidding round for longer-term contracts on the Iraqi oil fields set for later this year. Another bidding round is expected to take place next year.

The Times of London reported that ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips and Shell have been targeted by the Iraqi Oil Ministry for awarding the service contracts (known as "technical support agreements" or TSAs). The report said that in exchange for the oil, these four oil companies would direct training of Iraqi workers and equipment to Iraq's largest oil and gas fields. The Middle East Economic Survey has quoted Shahristani as saying that the service contracts will be signed "within a few weeks". The general expectation is that the TSAs will be signed during the third round of discussions due in March. [Emphasis added. Of course, the fact that Iraq's largest oil and gas fields will be locked up by US- or UK-based multinationals through "technical support agreements" is an entirely just repayment for their governments' selfless commitment to the Iraqi people. -speaker]

Meanwhile, the Iraqi Oil Ministry's deadline for any interested oil firms to pre-register for the larger contracts to develop oil fields falls on February 18. Shahristani has promised an open bidding and transparent process but only in the event that he will be the decision-making authority. He suggested that competition would be intense. "Everybody in the world, more than 45 companies, have approached us [the Iraqi government] and shown a very keen interest in working with us - the Chinese, Russians, Indians, Brazilians," Shahristani said.

In sum, as Ben Lando, United Press International's energy editor put it, "Big Oil's big dreams are close to coming true ... According to insiders, Shell, which produced a technical study of Kirkuk in 2005, wants a deal for the field. BP wants one for Rumaila, which it studied last year. Shell and BHP Billiton are angling for the Missan field in the south. ExxonMobil is interested in the southern Zubair field while the Sabha and Luhais fields are being targeted by Dome and Anadarko Petroleum. ConocoPhillips is talking with the [Iraqi] ministry about the West Qurna oil field ... Chevron and Total have teamed up in a bid for the Majnoon field." [Emphasis added.]

No doubt, it is pay-off time for the four majors who didn't make an issue of the US military occupation of Iraq or the ensuing mess-ups during Paul Bremer's rule or the ensuing acute security situation, but kept going with their nose on the ground and worked with the Iraqi ministry during the past four years in conducting reservoir surveys, assisting in the drawing up of work plans and in training personnel. These oil majors simply chose to be around in Baghdad even when much of the oil industry was idling. Lando adds, "While service contracts would be highly profitable for companies, Big Oil wants risk contracts. Such deals are usually long term, covering its exploration costs and guaranteeing a profit if oil is found, and allowing them to put the reserves it discovers on the books, a boon in Wall Street's eyes."

Iraqi public opposition
Of course, Shahristani is skating on thin ice. His moves, despite the robust backing by the Bush administration, are political and highly controversial. The point is, Shahristani is virtually in a position to hand out jackpots to the oil majors. Everyone knows that apart from the security factor, the risk in exploring for crude in Iraq is virtually nil. "Historically it [oil] has been easy to find, inexpensive to produce and top quality," Lando points out.

Washington counts on Shahristani to push the oil deals through despite the vehement opposition within Iraq. First, about 70% of Iraqis firmly oppose what Shahristani is attempting. The Iraqis see what is happening as a capitulation of their national sovereignty. Iraqis look back at the nationalization of their oil industry in 1972 as a source of pride and empowerment. Second, there is vehement opposition from the labor unions in the Iraqi oil industry. They say that Iraq could increase its oil production by investing its own money and there is no pressing need at this juncture to solicit foreign investment. [Emphasis added.]

Indeed, in 2006, the Iraqi Oil Ministry could only utilize 3% of its $3.5 billion reconstruction budget. The US Defense Department in a December 2007 report acknowledged, "The lack of capacity in contracting, the lack of trained budget personnel, concern about corruption and numerous other systemic structural impediments hamper faster execution."

Iraq's oil exports in 2007 brought in $35.5 billion, according to the US State Department. But a study by the Washington Times newspaper in January concluded, "Increased oil revenues stemming from high prices and improved security are piling up in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York rather than being spent on needed reconstruction projects."

To be sure, the Iraqi labor unions have a point when they say that foreign investment is not the real need for the oil industry currently, but rather the ability to invest the surplus budget. Again, the labor unions are questioning the need of foreign expertise. They insist that national expertise is available within Iraq. The fact remains that in spite of Saddam's gross mismanagement of the oil industry, Iraq had built up over the years a significant reservoir of manpower with a range of technical expertise.

"If they [Oil Ministry] are prepared to allocate more funding and spend the resources that already exist, there would be improvement and we could recruit more workers," Hassan Jumaa Awad, president of the umbrella Iraqi Federation of Oil Unions recently told the United Press International news agency. Awad alleged that Shahristani is following a "deliberate" policy of shunning domestic investment with a view to make Iraqi oil workers look incapable.

The labor unions have now sought the help of the international labor community to their demands, which also question Shahristani's intentions in awarding to international oil firms concession or risk contracts such as production-sharing agreements. Awad calls for an Iraqi oil law, "but we need to gain our full sovereignty before such a law is enacted", and he insists that if a law is to be passed, it should be approved by Iraqi voters in a referendum.

Iraq's oil unions and civil society organizations have joined hands in alleging that Washington and the present authorities in Baghdad, especially the Oil Ministry, are conspiring to hand over control over Iraq's oil to oil majors. The news agencies reported that protesters who fear that Iraq's oil wealth might be squandered met at a Middle East oil conference on February 5 in London where Iraqi and British oil industry leaders attended. [Emphasis added]

Bush's Iraq legacy
But the Bush administration's priorities lie elsewhere. It is highly unlikely to pay heed to Iraqi public sentiments. There is precious little time left for the Bush administration in the White House. But it's not just pork-barrel politics, either. There is also the aspect of the legacy of the Bush administration. With the Iraqi "surge" having proved a success, Bush is undoubtedly gearing up for the epitaph to his Iraq odyssey.

Big Oil deals in Iraq form the core of Bush's strategy of creating a legacy for the US in the Middle East that may run for decades. Big Oil needs the assurance of a near-permanent US military presence in Iraq. And Bush is determined to provide that assurance. He is convinced that no serious American politician would defy the wishes of Big Oil. By logic, therefore, Bush is creating a historical legacy of an Iraq that will remain under American control for decades to come.

Therefore, the Op-Ed in The Washington Post on Wednesday jointly authored by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates is extraordinary for its thumb sketch of what Bush's Iraq legacy is going to look like. The two top officials have written that a "crucial phase" is about to begin with the US negotiating a basic framework agreement with the Iraqi government aimed at "normalized relations".

By the end of this year, the Bush administration proposes to altogether dispense with the fig leaf of the current requirement that the United Nations must authorize on an annual basis the presence and role of the US military in Iraq under the relevant UN resolutions. Rice and Gates argue that the Bush administration "would rather have an arrangement that is more in line with what typically governs the relationships between two sovereign nations". Period.

The US-Iraqi framework agreement to be negotiated seeks to establish "a strong relationship with Iraq, reflecting our [US] shared political, economic, cultural and security interests". In other words, Washington will have ensured that US policies in Iraq are sequestered from the purview of the UN once the US-Iraqi framework agreement is through by the end of the year. Concerned parties like Russia (or China) will simply be faced with the fait accompli of what the US chooses to do with Iraq.

Second, the US-Iraq bilateral framework will include what is known as a "status of forces" agreement, which is based on a recognition that "US forces will need to operate in Iraq beyond the end of this year for progress in stabilizing Iraq to continue. In these negotiations, we [US] seek to set the basic parameters for the US presence in Iraq." Third, the basic framework with Iraq will be negotiated with bipartisan support, fully involving the US Senate's treaty-ratification authority via the appropriate committees of the Congress with briefings for the lawmakers and congressional input so that 2008 will go down in history as "a year of critical transition in Iraq ... a foundation of success in Iraq - a foundation upon which future US administrations can build". Once the hurly-burly of the primaries is done in the presidential race, Bush proposes to invite the presidential candidates to contribute to the finessing of the US's Iraq strategy in the coming period.

What becomes evident is that the Bush administration neither intends to cut and run from Iraq nor is it in search of an exit strategy. On the contrary, it is ensuring that Iraq remains under American control for as long as it takes for the US to evacuate the oil and gas out of that country. Bush sees this as his historical legacy.

Bush is confident that his troop "surge" strategy in Iraq is working. According to US columnist and author David Ignatius, Bush favors keeping US force in Iraq close to the pre-"surge" level of 130,000 troops. Ignatius wrote, "Bush in effect is redoubling his bet on success in Iraq." It is a risky course insofar as Iraq is a polarizing issue in an election year. But there is logic in betting that with such high stakes for Big Oil in Iraq - thanks to Shahristani's deals - no serious US politician with presidential ambitions would undermine Bush's desire for continuity and his plans to leave behind a stable Iraq.

Russia stages comeback
Indeed, the rest of the world has already decided that it is time to take the Bush legacy in Iraq seriously. The alacrity with which Moscow is hurrying to get onto Shahristani's gravy train is the latest tell-tale sign. Moscow is highly unlikely to waste its time in rhetoric ridiculing the Bush administration by pointing out that the US needs assistance to save face and leave Iraq with dignity or that Russia could help stabilize the situation, and so on.

Shahristani visited Moscow last August, but at that time Moscow committed the folly of not taking him seriously. (Actually, Shahristani was a university student in Moscow in the 1960s.) A Moscow commentator wrote after his visit, "The oil minister may say whatever he wants about the operations of foreign companies in Iraq, but the Iraqi Parliament has not yet passed a law on oil and gas. Therefore, oil companies can only make assumptions about work in Iraq."

But Moscow didn't need much time to revise its opinion and to take Shahristani very seriously. In November, Shahristani, guided by American legal advisors, canceled Russian oil company Lukoil's contract with Saddam's regime for the vast oil field in Iraq's southern desert, West Qurna, with estimated reserves of 11 billion barrels of oil. Shahristani announced the field would be opened to new bidders as early as 2008. "We will defend our interests," a senior Kremlin official warned. Moscow threatened to revoke a 2004 deal with creditor nations to forgive $13 billion in Iraqi debt.

But Moscow learned that ConocoPhillips was seriously eyeing West Qurna. Moscow concluded that Iraq's oil scene was up for grabs, predators were around and there was no more time to lose. Thus, the formal signing of the agreement on Monday in Moscow writing off most of Baghdad's Soviet-era debt has not come a day too soon. The agreement stipulates that Russia will initially write off 65% of Iraq's $12.9 billion debt, accrued mostly from Saddam's arms purchases, and of the remaining $4.5 billion, 80% will be forgiven in two stages by 2009 if Iraq meets economic targets set by the International Monetary Fund, leaving Iraq to repay $900 million over a 17-year period from 2011. [Emphasis added]

The agreement opens the way for Russian oil companies' return to Iraq. Separately, Russia has agreed to invest $4 billion in Iraq, including the Iraqi oil industry. Close on the heels of the debt-relief agreement, Moscow has indicated that Lukoil and other companies including OAO Zarubezhneft, a state-owned oil producer, and OAO Mashinoimport, a supplier of machinery for energy industry, are "preparing" to return to Iraq. The Iraqi government has promised to pay "special attention" to previously signed contracts with Russian companies. But things may not be easy. The return of the Russian companies will be subject to US acquiescence, which in turn means Moscow will henceforth have to significantly roll back its earlier criticism of the Bush administration's Iraq policy.

Russian Foreign Minister Segei Lavrov has stressed Moscow's "utmost interest" in launching projects in the Iraqi gas, oil and electricity sectors, "but for the successful implementation of plans of economic development of Iraq it is necessary to solve two political problems: to achieve national reconciliation and settle the security issue". In essence, Lavrov underscored Russia's determination to seriously engage.

How the Russian "re-entry" plays out will be interesting to watch. Washington - and Shahristani - will have to work out the implications of the return of Russian oil companies to Iraq. A Middle East expert in Moscow pointed out, "If Russian companies are let in, somebody else will be kept out. It is not a matter of market competition."

EU reaches out to Iraq
But Iraq is likely to impact Russia's fortunes in a much more profound way on a second front where Moscow's ability to influence is virtually nil. Moscow will be watching with anxiety the progress of the energy dialogue that has commenced between the European Union and Iraq. Alarm bells would have rung in Moscow when Shahristani travelled to Brussels and met the EU officials on January 31.

EU officials have openly acknowledged that their desire to seek closer energy ties with Iraq is a critical component of their broader strategy to reduce Europe's dependence on Russian energy supplies. EU countries currently depend on Russia for roughly a quarter of their gas supplies. EU External Affairs Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner told Shahristani, "Iraq is a natural energy partner for the EU, both as a producer of oil and gas and as a transit country for hydrocarbon resources from the Middle East and the Gulf to the EU."

She said the EU was keen to see Iraq link into the Arab Gas Pipeline project from Egypt to Jordan near the Syrian border, which is under construction and is expected to allow European customers to tap into supplies from Egypt and other countries along the line via Turkey. The EU's Arab Gas Pipeline project forms part of the 3,300-kilometer pipeline to transport gas from the Middle East and Central Asia to Europe while bypassing Russia.

The plan is to transport Iraqi natural gas from a gas field in southern Iraq to the EU through the Arab Gas Pipeline, which, when completed, will connect Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and Turkey. Iraqi gas could then reach Europe through the planned Nabucco pipeline, which is to run from Turkey to Austria. Iraq has been invited to an upcoming ministerial meeting on the Arab Gas Pipeline project.

An interesting sideline is that access to Iraqi energy suddenly makes the Nabucco pipeline viable. Russia, through robust efforts in the recent past had gained the high ground as the key energy supplier for the southern European countries. The Russian efforts had dampened Nabucco's prospects despite Washington's vigorous backing for the project. Now, when it appeared that Moscow had all but finished off Nabucco, thanks to Iraqi energy, Nabucco is rising again as a major challenge to Russia's interests as the major energy supplier for Europe. The implications for Europe's relations with Russia and even for the trans-Atlantic relations are far-reaching.

Shahristani told his EU interlocutors in Brussels that Iraq planned to develop its gas fields this year and should be in a position to supply Europe with gas "in two or three years". Iraq is estimated to have 111 trillion cubic feet of natural gas reserves. Royal Dutch Shell, France's Total and Italy's Edison are seeking Shahristani's approval for a deal to develop one of Iraq's largest gas fields, Akkas, located near the Syrian border, which could be connected to the Arab Gas Pipeline.

On the oil front, Shahristani said in Brussels that Iraq is studying the possibility of new pipelines through Turkey. Oil from the Kirkuk fields in northern Iraq is currently exported through a pipeline that links up the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan.

India-Israel energy ties
EU-Iraq energy ties will be a worrisome development for not only Russia but also for Iran. Tehran has been nurturing the hope that the EU's strategy to diversify its energy imports would eventually give impetus to the European countries to normalize their relations with Iran and that in turn would prompt them to withstand the US pressure to isolate Iran. But Tehran is watching with dismay that Iraq is fast becoming a golden goose for the EU and the expansion of EU-Iraq energy ties may dampen any sense of urgency in the European capitals for building up an energy dialogue with Iran in the near term.

The virtual "loss" of the EU market - in the near term, at least - compels Iran to turn more toward the Asian region. But here too, US pressure is working on India, one of Asia's most significant energy markets, from linking up with Iran. Washington is instead encouraging Indian companies to become active in Iraq. Ideally, Washington would like to promote a Turkey-Israel-India energy grid that could tap into the Iraqi reserves. This approach also fits in with the US geostrategy of developing Turkey, Israel and India as three "pivotal" states that are Washington's natural allies in the regions surrounding the volatile Middle East.

In January, Turkey launched a feasibility study for a natural gas pipeline connecting northern Iraq's fields to its Mediterranean port of Yumurtalik, which will run parallel to the oil pipelines. Once the northern Iraq gas fields are developed, 353 billion cubic feet of natural gas will flow to Yumurtalik. Turkey hopes to export liquefied natural gas (LNG) by tankers to destinations such as Israel and India. There is strong US backing for the project.

To the extent that India is kept away from linking with Iran, Washington also hopes to scuttle the prospect of an Asian energy grid developing that might involve Iran, Pakistan, India and China alongside Russia and the Central Asian states. Significantly, serious discussions have begun for the first time between Turkey and India on energy cooperation.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan, who visited Delhi recently, has reportedly proposed to his Indian counterpart the possibility of Turkey exporting oil from the Ceyhan port to Israel's Ashkelon-Eilat pipeline and Indian super tankers sourcing oil from the Israeli port of Eilat in the Gulf of Aquba. A visit by Turkish President Abdullah Gul to India, followed by a visit by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is in the cards.

The Indian Oil Corporation is already building pipelines in Turkey. A major Indian company belonging to the powerful Reliance Group (which has collaboration with Chevron) is active in northern Iraq. (By a curious coincidence, the Kurdish leadership in northern Iraq and the Indian government have employed the same lobbying firm - run by Robert D Blackwill, a former deputy national security advisor and ambassador in New Delhi - to canvass for their interests in Washington.)

Indian companies have traditionally been active in the Iraqi oil sector. But what explains the US's interest at this juncture is that energy cooperation in Iraq could significantly cement the strategic ties between Israel and India and thereby ease Israel's regional isolation. On the face of it, it would have made eminent sense for India to connect Iraq via a pipeline through Iran. But Washington's entire strategy is to cut Iran out of the loop and to instead encourage Turkey, Israel and India to forge an energy grid.

However, a Turkey-Israel-India energy grid may face domestic opposition within India. The question of India partaking of the economic bonanza of US-occupied Iraq may militate sections of the Indian public opinion. The present Indian Parliament has adopted a resolution which seriously delimits Delhi's collaboration with US-occupied Iraq. How Indian public opinion reconciles its antipathy towards US "imperialism" with the tantalizing prospect of the country tapping into Iraq's vast energy reserves will offer an engrossing political and diplomatic spectacle. But, in the short term, the prospect of Iraq as a significant source of energy supply is surely working as yet another damper on India-Iran energy cooperation. In that respect, the US strategy is working.

Turkey major beneficiary
In sheer geopolitical terms, the single biggest beneficiary out of all Iraq's neighbors is going to be Turkey. Shahristani's projects will catapult Turkey into the status of a crucially important energy hub in the US's strategy. During his Washington visit last month, Turkish President Gul had meetings with Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and the secretaries of State and Energy. The agenda of discussions related to the US and Turkey jointly working in Iraq to develop its energy sources.

US-Turkey energy cooperation in Iraq impacts on the geopolitics of the region in many directions. First, Washington will expect that Turkey go slowly on expanding and deepening its cooperative ties with Iran, a trend that the Bush administration had been viewing with disquiet in the recent past. Turkey can be expected to respond with pragmatism and calibrate its ties with Iran in accordance with the US sensitivity.

In turn, any recalibration of the dynamics of Turkish-Iranian ties will be a matter of utmost satisfaction for Israel. Correspondingly, therefore, we may expect a revival of warmth in Turkish-Israeli relations. Furthermore, Turkey is now poised to be a conduit for energy supplies from northern Iraq to Israel. Israel already enjoys strong influence in the Kurdistan region in northern Iraq. Thus, there is a tremendous convergence of interests between Turkey and Israel over issues of Israel's energy security.

The Israel-Turkey political axis is bound to consolidate in the coming period, thanks to Iraq's oil. But from Turkey's point of view, the most important outcome is the readiness on the part of Washington to disengage from its erstwhile Kurdish allies in northern Iraq. This is already giving Ankara a relatively free hand in militarily countering Kurdish militant activities. Washington is not only turning a blind eye to Turkish military incursions into northern Iraq but is even reportedly sharing vital intelligence with Turkey, which makes the Turkish military's "hot pursuit" of Kurdish militants inside northern Iraq more effective. Washington is definitely leaning on the Iraqi Kurdish leadership to rein in the activities of Turkish militants based in northern Iraq.

Equally, Turkey is able to exploit the vested interests of Iraqi Kurdish leaders in oil trade. There are signs that Iraqi Kurdish leaders are cooperating with the Turkish military operations in meaningful ways.

Turkey has certainly influenced the US decision to scuttle on technical grounds the holding of a referendum regarding the status of oil-rich Kirkuk region in December as provided under the provisional Iraqi constitution of 2005. Conceivably, growing US dependence on Turkey could even lead to an indefinite postponement of the referendum beyond June this year. Turkey is pressing for a UN-negotiated "special status" for Kirkuk, making it a region unto itself. Washington may well heed the Turkish suggestion. At a minimum, Ankara can heave a sigh of relief that the specter of an independent Kurdish national identity taking shape in northern Iraq has receded into the background. Without US backing, it is simply not possible for the Kurds in northern Iraq to assert their independence. [Emphasis added.]

Turkey also finds common ground with the Iraqi Sunni and Shi'ite political blocs, who have made a pact against holding any referendum in Kirkuk until a new law is passed that would firmly establish Baghdad's control over the province's oil wealth. This enhances Turkey's leverage in Baghdad. The Iraqi political alliance challenging the Kurdish separatist aspirations includes as many as 145 legislators in the 275-member Iraqi Parliament.

Indeed, from the Turkish perspective, all this is far from offering a permanent solution to the Kurdish problem as such. As the prominent Turkish editor Ilnur Cevik pointed out recently, "It is a problem that has to be addressed with pragmatism and with the notion that there are citizens of Kurdish origin who still do not feel they are being treated as first class citizens of the Turkish republic." But the fact remains that Turkey gains valuable time to set its own house in order while Washington dotes on Ankara as a key ally in Iraq.

Turkey has played its cards brilliantly. With the correct mix of strategic defiance and realism, Ankara has persuaded the Bush administration to view the northern Iraqi situation through its prism. In fact, out of all Iraq's neighbors, it is Turkey that the US will have to count on in the coming period. The Turkish-US relationship, which went through a bad four-year period following Ankara's refusal to assist in the US invasion of Iraq, has certainly regained some of its traditional verve as a key alliance. This adds immensely to Turkey's regional status vis-a-vis its Arab neighbors, Russia, Iran, and even the European countries.

Turkey's influential role in Iraq, in fact, makes it a significant player in the Middle East. But, more important to medium-term Turkish national priorities would be that Europe would be more inclined as time passes to take note of Turkey's strategic importance. For the EU, Turkey is emerging as a vital energy bridge connecting the Middle East. At some point in the foreseeable future, this should turn to Turkey's advantage, if only Ankara relentlessly continues to pursue its EU membership.

M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India's ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001).



-- February 25, 2008 3:10 AM


Roger wrote:

Very very interesting reading, .....get in on the stocks now.

Thanks for the article, it was a bit long, but worth every line.

It cleared up a whole lot of stuff.

Sara,

There is the smelling fish. It is all explained and make sense.

Iran is getting a geopolitical circumcision. Turkey, Iraq and the US are scratching each others back. Russia is on lose ground, and a new energy hub is created.

-- February 25, 2008 6:52 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

UAE invited to invest in the future of Iraq
By VM Sathish on Friday, February 22 , 2008

An Iraqi minister will visit Dubai to woo investors and companies willing to support 40 state-owned companies whose operations have been severely hit by the war.

The firms ranging from petrochemical, cement, textile, engineering and construction material sectors to car manufacturers, have assets worth billions of dollars. Fawzi Hariri, Iraq’s Minister of Industry and Minerals, will outline investment opportunities at a summit in the emirate in April.

“The summit comes after Hariri decided to open up Iraq’s state-owned industries to the global market,” said a spokesman for Iraq Development Corporation. “This will provide international companies with an opportunity to be joint-venture partners as it begins its journey from planned economy to regional economic powerhouse.

“The ministry is looking for investors to rehabilitate and upgrade state-owned companies producing cement, ceramics, paper, vehicles, iron and steel, petrochemicals and fertilisers.”

The summit will be attended by 70 senior Iraqi Government officials and the United States’ Under-Secretary of Defence responsible for economic reforms in Iraq.

One of the companies that will be showcased will be Sinjar cement plant in Mosul, which was severely damaged by bombs. “The plant consists of two production lines, with a daily capacity of 6,400 tonnes,” said the spokesman. “It is working at a reduced capacity and needs comprehensive rebuilding by an experienced cement company. It has sufficient sources of raw materials such as limestone and gypsum.”

Another venture that needs support is a urea fertiliser plant in Abu Al Khasib, Basra, which has a capacity of 420,000 tonnes per year. A glass factory in Al Anbar, which has been out of operation for five years, also requires investment, as does a paper plant in Missan.
(http://www.business24-7.ae/cs/article_show_mainh1_story.aspx?HeadlineID=2690)

Thanks,

Rob N.


-- February 25, 2008 12:40 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Hike in the demand for the dollar in daily auction

Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Monday , 25 /02 /2008 Time 5:04:55




Baghdad, Feb 25, (VOI) - Demand for the dollar was higher in the Iraqi Central Bank's auction on Monday, hitting $70.510 million compared to $19.920 million on Sunday.

"The demand hit $380,000 in cash and $70.130 million in money transfers outside the country, all covered by the bank at an exchange rate of 1,210 Iraqi dinars per dollar, unchanged for the 14th session in a row," according to the central bank's daily bulletin which was received by Aswat al-Iraq- Voices of Iraq- (VOI).
The nine banks that participated in the auction offered to sell $1.500 million, which the bank bought at an exchange rate of 1,208 Iraqi dinars per dollar.
Speaking to VOI, Ali al-Yasseri, a trader, said that foreign transfers increased, while bids for cash dropped sharply because off the deep recession in southern Iraqi provinces coinciding with the Shiite Arbaeen pilgrimage

The Arbaeen is a religious occasion marking the 40th day after the death of Imam al-Hussein, the Prophet Muhammad's grandson and the third holiest figure for Shiite Muslims, in the battle of Taf in Karbala in the Hijri year 61 (680 in the Gregorian calendar).

The Iraqi Central Bank runs a daily auction from Sunday to Thursday.
(http://www.aswataliraq.info/look/english/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrArticle=70849&NrIssue=2&NrSection=2)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 25, 2008 12:42 PM


Rob N. wrote:


Oil giants are poised to move into Basra

Western oil giants are poised to enter southern Iraq to tap the country's vast reserves, despite the ongoing threat of violence, according to Gordon Brown's business emissary to the country.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 25, 2008 12:51 PM


Sara wrote:

Yes, Roger - interesting stuff.

Investor - Thank YOU very much for that article.. Very interesting. :)
It is an absolute GIFT - a great read - thank you very much for sharing it!!
(And thanks, Lord.) Greatly appreciated.

A key point I wish to bring is where the article states the fact that the oil majors "didn't make an issue of the US military occupation of Iraq or the ensuing mess-ups during Paul Bremer's rule or the ensuing acute security situation, but kept going with their nose on the ground and worked with the Iraqi ministry during the past four years in conducting reservoir surveys, assisting in the drawing up of work plans and in training personnel. These oil majors simply chose to be around in Baghdad even when much of the oil industry was idling."

This is what I called the OX treading out the corn:

1Ti 5:18 For the scripture says, You shall not muzzle the ox that treads out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

They did the heavy grunt work, they "kept going with their nose on the ground and worked with the Iraqi ministry during the past four years in conducting reservoir surveys, assisting in the drawing up of work plans and in training personnel"... and they did so hoping one day for a payoff.. of which there was no guarantee. And now that it looks like that hoped for day may indeed happen, some Iraqis wish to deny them their rightful take for laboring on in the heat of the day while others sat idly by not taking those risks - by taking what they call their "full sovereignty" and then cutting these oil companies out.
Quote:

"The labor unions have now sought the help of the international labor community to their demands, which question awarding to international oil firms concession or risk contracts such as production-sharing agreements. Awad calls for an Iraqi oil law, "but we need to gain our full sovereignty before such a law is enacted", and he insists that if a law is to be passed, it should be approved by Iraqi voters in a referendum. Iraq's oil unions and civil society organizations have joined hands in alleging that Washington and the present authorities in Baghdad, especially the Oil Ministry, are conspiring to hand over control over Iraq's oil to oil majors."

This is hogwash. Bunch of conspiracy theorists. All that labor of the past four years is not without merit and it is folly to try and steal from the ox that which they have tread out in labor over these past four years while people like this Awad sat safely on the sidelines. The "ox" which has trodden out this "corn" and those who have protected it from being pillaged (using the armed forces) are worthy of their hire (or in this case concessions and risk contracts such as production-sharing agreements).

It isn't a question of "handing over control" of Iraq's oil, but of brokering a very fair deal which repays the gruntwork which these majors did in Iraq .. as well as a production sharing acknowlegement of the IRAQI INTERESTS these "oxen" kept alive during four dark years of struggle. It is the Iraqi resource of oil which they safeguarded and tread out for them and these ungrateful Iraqis (I do not say they are all ungrateful only these ones are) are ungrateful louts for not discerning that they were given the ability to have those resources on a silver platter only by just such efforts as were given by the oil majors and the armed forces. Due compensation for not having the Iraqi resources robbed from the Iraqi people for all time really should have some room in their ideology. But no.. the US is the big bad evil force.. even though without these helps the Iraqi people would be under a dictator (the Butcher of Baghdad) and without any access to their oil resources whatsoever.

The cool, slick, manipulative sheen placed upon politics often betrays the underlying motives and truth.. that the people NEED these resources in order to prosper and those who give them a helping hand in getting it should not have their hands slapped - or a slap across the face - in return. I cannot but think that many such Iraqis are woefully misbegotten, excessively greedy and impertinently rude.

I read recently about the crying need for jobs for Iraqis. They are still very much in need of them and the economic component and jobs is a substantive key to stability. Having their resources safeguarded over this time will allow the Iraqi people to get the oil which will give the Iraqi people the ability to prosper:

Economic Improvements Needed to Stabilize Iraq
by Peter Kenyon
February 24, 2008

U.S. and Iraqi officials hail improvements in Iraq's security, but they say economic improvements — especially job creation — are urgently needed. Government and military spending are picking up, but the private sector still has much catching up to do.

Reliable figures are elusive, but according to the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, the official unemployment rate in the city is 18 percent, and underemployment may be as high as 50 percent.

For years, officials and analysts have pointed to high unemployment as an economic and a security problem, since it leaves a large pool of idle men available for recruitment by insurgents, militias and other armed groups.

With the daily violence well down in many parts of the country, people say jobs programs are finally beginning to gain momentum.

Chamber CEO Raad Omar says "the sky's the limit" in terms of needs in Iraq, but the atmosphere is better than it has been in years.

The Chamber of Commerce's Omar says right now, the needs vastly outweigh the resources. But he takes heart from developments over the past few years, including those in Kurdish northern Iraq, where security is better.

Anxious American politicians, homesick U.S. forces and their families, and millions of Iraqis are hoping that Omar is right, and that Iraq's future holds — if not peace and prosperity — at least basic services and jobs for the able-bodied Iraqis now sitting at home or on street corners, waiting for anyone to pay them to work.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19315159&ft=1&f=1001

I think the "jobs programs" which are beginning to help need to be greatly expanded, both to protect Iraq from idle men "available for recruitment by insurgents, militias and other armed groups" and to bring into the Iraqi families the income they need to survive. This will happen with further development from these same oil companies which stuck around when everyone else left town. They were part of making it so that the atmosphere is better than it has been in years and so that we may now take heart from developments over the past few years.. as may all the Iraqis. All the good which will accrue to the Iraqi people.. all the jobs and services.. and in time their prosperity as a country.. has been made possible by a lot of blood, sweat and tears on the part of the Iraqis, coalition forces, and these oil majors who "stuck around" and labored when everyone else said it was "too dangerous" to be in Iraq.

Those who took no risk and now wish to cut the oxen out of the picture and take the corn for themselves are, as I said, simply rude. May more reasonable men broker the inevitable oil deals for the Iraqi people with a heart which at least acknowledges the sacrifice made, if not the sentiment which made it possible. I doubt they can ever see the bleeding hands of Jesus behind any of our gestures, only the hands of the greedy and wicked "West". Nevertheless, God has His way even if, like the sacrifice of the US Armed Forces has been deprecated by the Mainstream Media, these people also rail constantly at everything good we in the West ever try to do for them.

The best way to get Iraqis working is to get the economy going, and that means real monetary trade with Iraq - one with a real world value for the Dinar. I believe a proper valuation of the Dinar (at least closer to its real value) would be helpful in getting Iraq working in the real world and not in the "bubble" the money managers have it under right now. The job programs need to be private sector and not a pouring in of money from the US taxpayers via military funding. To do that, it needs to be real world economics and not micromanaged from behind a bureaucratic desk.

I suppose I find it difficult to believe the valuation of the currency of the country of Iraq at its present worth given the statements in the article of:

"Iraq's proven reserves of oil are only smaller than those of Saudi Arabia and Iran - and Iraq is only about 30% explored. Experts are generally of the view that Iraq's actual oil reserves could well turn out to be at least double the 115 billion barrels of proven reserves. Beyond that, it is anybody's guess as to the scale of Iraq's as-yet-untapped gas reserves. Iraq is estimated to have 22 "giant" fields, each having more than 1 billion barrels of oil. In fact, Iraq may host the largest untapped reserves in the world. There is a strong likelihood that Iraq's reserves may turn out to be exponentially higher than the current estimations, which are based on old-style seismic surveys."

And: "the cost of oil production in Iraq at US$1 to $2 per barrel is very low. it is easy to develop oil export routes out of Iraq heading in several directions simultaneously.. this means that rapid expansion of Iraq's oil production and the arrival of substantial amounts of Iraqi oil - exceeding 10 mn b/d - in the international market is an attainable objective."

And their money is worth... less than a US penny on the international market?

Sara.

PS In case any of you are wondering, No, I do not consider myself a prophet in the sense of that word as used in the Old Testament. However, "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" (Rev 19:10). And I do know Him and hear from Him and if I denied that I knew and heard from Him I would be a liar.. it is like when Jesus said He would not deny that He knew the Father:

Joh 8:55 Yet you have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I do not know Him, I should be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.

God's sheep hear His voice, as Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand." (John 10:27-28) I just thought I ought to clear that point up before we move on.. back to Dinar.

-- February 25, 2008 1:15 PM


Sara wrote:

Rob N;

Thanks for your posts. I always look forward to what you find. Todays were good - dealing with oil interests, the demand for dollar/Dinar and the UAE being invited to invest in the future of Iraq. These kinds of information are very helpful and informative. I appreciate your continued slogging along and posting both the articles and your opinions, too.

I was reading that there are concerns about the incursion on Iraq's northern border growing.
Hopefully they won't come to fruition.

Sara.

==

Fears of wider conflict in northern Iraq
25 Feb 2008
Source: ITN

Turkish forces have reportedly killed more than 100 Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq amid fears of a wider conflict in the region. Turkey has said at least 112 PKK guerillas and 15 of its soldiers have died since troops crossed the border last week.

Iraq has warned that the Turks could clash with Iraqi Kurdish security forces if the incursion continues. The battle-hardened Peshmerga have so far stayed out of the fighting, which is taking place in a mountainous border region.

Iraqi Kurds have little sympathy with the PKK, who launched attacks in Turkey from bases in Iraq. The leaders of the Kurdish autonomous region are said to regard the border area where the PKK are holed up as outside their control.

But Iraq's national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie said a prolonged invasion would increase the chances of the Peshmerga being sucked into the fighting.

He said: "The longer Turkish soldiers stay inside Iraqi territory, the more likely this is going to happen.

"We need to avoid this at any cost. This has very serious consequences even if this happens by accident."

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/world/fears+of+wider+conflict+in+northern+iraq/1649647

-- February 25, 2008 3:36 PM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

Thank you for your continued encouragement. You can count on me to continue to post those articles and my opinions to.

Roger:

Getting closer on opening the account with Al-Warka. I am leaning toward opening a 2 year CD. Still a little leary on the ISX though.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 10:43 AM


Rob N. wrote:

Sara:

Thank you for your continued encouragement. You can count on me to continue to post those articles and my opinions to.

Roger:

Getting closer to opening an account with Al-Warka. If still available, I am leaning toward the 2 year CD. I am still a little leary about the ISX though.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 10:46 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:


Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 423
February 26, 2008 No. 423

The Iraqi Economy: From Shocks to Take-off?
By: Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli *
Under the Ba’th regime, which imposed its nefarious and repressive ideology upon Iraq for forty years. During this sad epoch in the country’s history, Iraq went from a relatively prosperous country with enormous natural resources, good infrastructure, and a well-performing education and healthcare system, to a country with a shattered economy, disintegrating infrastructure, failing education and healthcare system, a heavy debt burden, political isolation, food shortages, and turned finally into a society torn asunder by internal political conflicts.

We can’t comprehend the damage wrought upon Iraq and its economy by Saddam's regime. Data on any aspect of the economy, including the national budget, was top secret. Revelations of state economic secrets were severely punished. When a government hides economic data from public scrutiny, we may infer that there are reasons for it doing so; governments never fail to blow their trumpets when there is a good story to tell.

By the time the country was invaded in April 2003, the national economy was being held up by a thread, and the people were sustained by what later proved to be a corrupt and inefficient "Oil-for-Food-Program," administered by an equally corrupt and inefficient United Nations bureaucracy [the U.N. administrator of the program is a fugitive for taking bribes].


The Invasion-Euphoria and Despair

The invasion of Iraq ushered in a short period of euphoria. The country witnessed unprecedented political freedoms coupled with profound macroeconomic and policy changes-open borders for unrestricted trade (and eventually unrestricted flow of terrorists), the lifting of controls over foreign currency, the coming back to life with goods and shoppers in the famous Baghdadi bazaars, and, above all, an economic transition from a centrally planned economy to a diversified market economy.

Regrettably, the euphoria of liberation soon gave way to despair. Personal liberties and economic progress were quickly dashed by acts of violence, some locally engineered but most imported through the courtesy of neighboring countries, which viewed a free and democratic Iraq at their doorstep as not just an anathema, but as a strategic threat.


Abatement of Violence

Almost five years since the invasion and the political turbulence that followed, Iraq is beginning to show tentative signs of political stability and reconciliation, improved internal security (more precisely, reduction in violence), and economic recovery from a conflict- to a post-conflict environment.

Despite these accomplishments, there remain many problems that will continue to impede progress, some of them in the most serious manner. These problems include a fractured political system, sectarian policies, a damaging role by various militias associated with political parties in government, a high rate of unemployment, power shortages, corruption at all levels of government, demoralized bureaucracy, enormous poverty, and a very large segment of the population either internally displaced or living across borders, primarily in Syria and Jordan. While the list of problems is, no doubt, much longer, there are nonetheless reasons for a measure of optimism.


Measure of Optimism

First, the command economy was dismantled, and private initiative is emerging. A stock market operates three days a week, and 45 banks and companies are listed and traded by Iraqis and, since last August, by foreigners as well. The economy is growing. According to the IMF, the Iraqi economy is projected to grow at 7% in 2008 after a somewhat anemic growth in 2007.

Second, foreign currency reserves are rising and so is the Iraqi legal tender, the dinar, which now trades at about 1,200 to the dollar, after trading at 2,000 or more dinars to the dollar before the invasion. More importantly, it is a convertible currency. The central bank auctions dollars regularly to meet market demand without any restriction.

Third, oil production is increasing. Oil export has recently reached the pre-invasion level of 1.8 million barrels per day, and the ministry of oil forecasts an export level of 2.0-2.1 million b/d by the end of the year. Subsidy on oil products, other than kerosene, used for cooking and lighting, has been abolished. Private fuel imports have been liberalized, and many of the long lines for gasoline are gone. Efforts are under way to expand and upgrade existing refineries in Iraq, which will ensure fuel supplies to power broad economic growth.

Fourth, inflation has been brought under control, thanks to the tightening of monetary policy and the appreciation of the dinar-along with the maintenance of fiscal discipline and measures to reduce fuel shortages.


Conclusion

This is by no means a complete picture, but it is a picture that gives rise to a restrained optimism. If violence continues to recede, and if the political leaders in Iraq resolve their sectarian disagreements in a practical, if not necessarily amicable, way, there is a good chance that the Iraqi economy will begin to reach its potential which, by all reckoning, is quite considerable.

*Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli is the Editor of www.memrieconomicblog.org
(http://www.memri.org)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 10:51 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Kurdisan's Oil Contracts Rejected, Our Production Rises – al-Shahristani

Iraq's oil production will increase rise to 4.5m barrels per day (bpd) over the next three years and that all oil contracts in the country - including Iraqi Kurdistan - must be approved by Baghdad, the Iraqi oil minister told CNN-Middle East Markets.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 10:56 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Reconciliation Conference not to exclude armed groups –Bin Hilli 26/02/2008 16:14:00

Baghdad (NINA)- Arab League's Deputy Secretary General Ahmed Bin Hilli welcomed the participation of all Iraqi political powers wishing to take part in the next conference on national reconciliation. During the joint press conference Tuesday
(www.ninanews.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 11:00 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Kurdistan PM calls on Turkey to end military operations
Barzani said, "I am surprised by Baghdad's weak response to this clear violation of Iraq's sovereignty"

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25 February 2008 (KRG)
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Iraq's Kurdistan region Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani Sunday held a press conference in Erbil, capital of the Kurdistan Region, to discuss the ongoing Turkish military incursion in Iraq and his recent visits to the Republic of Korea and State of Qatar.

The Prime Minister said that he was very concerned by the recent ground incursions by the Turkish military in the Kurdistan Region, and called for an immediate end to armed operations.

The Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) understood that the PKK is a problem for Turkey, condemned the group's violent activities, and had significantly limited the PKK's ability to act inside the region, he added. At the same time, he stressed that only political methods could bring an end to the decades old problem.

Prime Minister Barzani said, "In the 1990s Turkey, at times with our help, tried to solve the problem of the PKK militarily and today they are trying again. But our experience clearly shows that military methods cannot be successful. I am ready to go to Ankara at any point. Four-party talks between Washington, Istanbul, Baghdad, and Erbil will help find a long lasting and peaceful solution to this problem. "

Barzani condemned Turkey's targeting of civilian infrastructure, which is far from the border areas and has no connection with the PKK. He said, "We believe this demonstrates that despite its stated aims, Turkey is targeting the Kurdistan Region itself. I am surprised by Baghdad's weak response to this clear violation of Iraq's sovereignty"

Turning to his recent foreign visits, the Prime Minister said he had visited South Korea to sign two Memoranda of Understanding - the first with a Korean consortium led by the Korean National Oil Company (KNOC) and concerning the oil sector and the second with SOC Consortium, a group of leading Korean construction companies focused on infrastructure programmes in the Kurdistan Region.

He said, "These MOUs, which conform to the Iraqi constitution, ensure that the people of the Kurdistan Region will benefit from enhanced infrastructure services as well as the expertise of Korean companies. In my meetings with president-elect Lee Myung-bak, I expressed our gratitude for the continued support of the Government of South Korea and the special assistance we have received from the Zaytun Division of the Korean Army and the Korea International Cooperation Agency (KOICA)."

The second stage of the Prime Minister's foreign trip was to Qatar, where he met with Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamad Bin Jassim Al Thani.

Barzani expressed his wish for closer ties between the KRG and Qatar and other Gulf Arab states. At the press conference the Prime Minister said, "There is much scope for cooperation between the Kurdistan Region and Qatar. We are especially interested in strengthening our economic and investment ties and the possibility of establishing scholarships so that students from the Kurdistan Region can benefit from the excellent facilities of Qatar's Education City."
(www.iraqupdates.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 11:04 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:



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Britain more upbeat about the situation in Iraq -- Howells

POL-UK-IRAQ-HOWELLS
Britain more upbeat about the situation in Iraq -- Howells

LONDON, Feb 26 (KUNA) -- The situation in southern Iraq and the rest of the country has improved a great deal as the police and army are in a much better condition, a British minister said Tuesday.

Speaking after his return from a tour that included Iraq and a number of GCC states, Britains Foreign Office Minister Dr Kim Howells told a group of Arab journalists here that despite the relative improvement of the situation, there are still some worrying realities there.

In answer to a question by KUNA, Dr Howells, who specializes in affairs of the Middle East, said "The situation is by no means perfect." "There has been real progress on the security front and a real effort to combat some worst aspects of corruption.... Since the British withdrawal to the air base outside Basra, the number of rocket attacks on them has dropped," Howells observed.

However, he noted tha the attacks ar still continuing, but to a lesser extent. The minister said that while he was there rockets came in and tragically some local employed staff were killed. Meanwhile, Dr Howells said that "there is a lot to be done in Iraq." Commenting again on the rocket attacks on the British Army, he said the UK troops deal with it in a most sensitive way and they do not send attack helicopters "that blow everything to bits within 100 metres of where the rockets were fired from." Dr Howells noted that very often the rockets are fired from right in the middle of heavily built up and domestic areas.

In the meantime, the mood of optimism is also founded by the local Iraqi government in Basra, he continued.

It told the British minister that there were a lot of small businesses which had started up now and the great reputation of the people of Basra has started to reassert itself there.

In answer to another question, Dr Howells said that the UK Government does not condone torture anywhere in the world, including Iraq.

Responding to the allegation that some British soldiers have killed or tortured Iraqis in the early months after the invasion, he said that he doesnt believe that anybody in the British armed forces would in any way tolerate such ill-treatment of Iraqi prisoners.

"The UK always follows up vigorously and very transparently, any charges that have been brought against the British Army," he stressed.

"You must never have impunity and people must not feel they can get away with murder," he continued.

In reference to the recent Turkish incursion into northern Iraq, the minister said that the Iraqi Government has expressed its concern over this move. "We have to respect the sovereignty of the Iraqi borders," Dr Howells underscored.

However, he also countered this by saying that Iraq should not harbour terrorists on their soil, in reference to the separatist Turkish-Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq.

Referring to the charges about Iranian interference in Iraq, Dr Howells noted that Britain is still getting reports that some bombs used against the British Army in Iraq have been smuggled either from Hezbollah in Lebanon or Iran.

Furthermore, some of the Iraqi terrorist leaders are given haven in Iran, he said.

But Dr Howells said that he was encouraged that the Iranian interference in Iraqi affairs is less than it was a year ago.

At the beginning of his briefing, the minister gave a round-up of the outcome of his tour, which included, in addition to Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the Sultanate of Oman.

He underlined the importance of his discussions with the Saudi and Omani leaders which covered the situation in the region, including the crisis in Lebanon, the peace process between the Palestinians and the Israelis and bilateral relations.

He expressed his admiration of the way the Saudi Arabian Government is handling the terrorist threats against the country and challenging terrorism.

On the situation in Lebanon, Dr Howells agreed with his hosts that it was looking very difficult.

Many people are frustrated by the delay in the election of a new president in Lebanon and the meddling in Lebanese affairs "by the Syrians and the Iranians," he argued.

On the forthcoming visit by the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinajad to Iraq, Dr Howells welcomed the strengthening of relations between Baghdad and Tehran after the terrible history of the eight-year war between them.

While in Iraq, the minister noticed the greater determination of the Iraqi people that they want to overcome the notion of a sectarian divide between Shiites and Sunnis in the country.

Great strides have been made to overcome this sectarian divide there, the minister pointed out.

In reference to Iran again, Dr Howells said it is in the interests of Tehran to have a stable country on its borders and he expressed the hope that the Iranian Presidents visit to Baghdad will result in more peace and security in Iraq. (end) he.

ajs


KUNA 261723 Feb 08NNNN
(www.kuna.net)

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Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 11:08 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Arab League envoy in Baghdad to press on reconciliation

POL-IRAQ-ARAB LEAGUE-VISIT
Arab League envoy in Baghdad to press on reconciliation

BAGHDAD, Feb 25 (KUNA) -- Arab League Assistant Secretary General Ahmed Bin-Helli arrived here Monday for a three-day visit to Iraq in a bid to prepare the ground for the Iraqi National Reconciliation Conference.

The visit of Bin-Helli and his party aims also to strengthen Iraq's ties with other Arab countries and work out a report on the situation in Iraq pending its referral to the Arab Summit, due in Damascus, capital of Syria, in late March, said Iraqi government Spokesman Ali Al-Dabbagh.

The delegation held talks with Iraqi leaders on the steps to encourage Arab countries to reopen their embassies in Iraq, Al-Dabbagh disclosed.

"It is up to the Arab countries to take such a move," he said, voicing hope that the Arabs would make "a strategic decision" on dealing with Iraq.

Meanwhile, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Mahmud Zebari who received the delegation said in statements to the press here that the Arab League hosted two important meetings of Iraqi leaders and was trying to activate its initiative for accord and reconciliation in Iraq.

For his part, Bin-Helli said he seeks to hold consultations with Zebari and other Iraqi leaders "inside and outside the government even those who boycotted the political process" on the best ways to assist Iraq in its current crisis.

Asked about the stance of the Arab League on the border tension between Iraq and Turkey, Bin-Helli recalled the statement issued by the league chief Amr Moussa Sunday that reasserted respect for Iraq's sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity.

"We believe that the best way to solve any crisis must be diplomatic, especially after the Iraqi government reasserted opposition to all forms of terrorism.

"The government refuses any attempt by terrorists to use Iraqi territories for launching attacks against neighboring countries," he added. (end) mhg.gb.

KUNA 260026 Feb 08NNNN
(www.kuna.net)

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Rob N.

-- February 26, 2008 11:09 AM


Anonymous wrote:

Sara , I just read your babble and you are one heck of a sycho. You really think you are a prophet. You are a nut case. You don't know god any more than the rest of us. Please go to a shrink

-- February 26, 2008 12:39 PM


Sara wrote:

Why do you say that, anon? Because I claim to hear from God? If that is your only criteria, then you must also feel Moses who sat alone on a mountain and brought down the Ten Commandments was also psycho.. and the Apostle Paul who saw a light and heard a voice speak to him on the road to Damascus was psycho as well? And each of the prophets of the Old Testament with their "Thus says the Lord".. were all nuts?

As for the office of a prophet, I already said I do not believe I have one.. but I do not deny I hear from God. All Christians are supposed to hear from Him in some way because the Bible says that "as many as are led of the Spirit, the same are the sons of God".. meaning those who are not led of the Spirit are not sons of God. Jesus also said, "My sheep hear My voice and they follow Me".. if that is wrong in your mind than I would much rather be thought a fool by you than toe the politically correct viewpoint you hold in this world. I suppose you can agree with this sentiment:

Joy Behar Suggests Saints Were Mentally Ill
By Justin McCarthy
January 9, 2008

According to "View" co-host Joy Behar, those sainted by the Catholic Church are no more than mentally ill individuals who heard voices. On the January 9 edition of "The View" Behar, who considers prayer a "distraction," suggested that there are no longer any saints due to modern medicine.

"I have a theory that you can’t find any saints any more because of psycho-tropic medication. I think that the old days the saints were hearing voices and they didn’t have any thorazine to calm them down. [laughter] Now that we have all of this medication available to us, you can’t find a saint any more."
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/justin-mccarthy/2008/01/09/joy-behar-suggests-saints-were-mentally-ill

I doubt you like the song, "He walks with me and He talks with me.. and He tells me I am His own... " :)

Or how about this one.. Me and God:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDatkylkFSM&feature=related

What ARE they singing about?

Guess you would prefer anyone with a true relationship with God to go away..

but somehow, I think we won't.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Sara.

-- February 26, 2008 8:26 PM


Sara wrote:

Actually... if you look at hearing from God as psycho.. Jesus was psycho, too. Do you have any idea how many times He said He heard from God in the New Testament? He pointed that one out to me just now.. you really ought to consider exactly what you are saying you believe. He is watching as He ponders the very thoughts in your mind and heart as you read this:

Pro 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD ponders the hearts.

Sara.

-- February 26, 2008 8:47 PM


Investor wrote:

Rabbi Shlomo Riskin:

"When you're one step ahead of the crowd, you're a genius. When you're two steps ahead, you're a crackpot."

Sara, to her credit, is two steps ahead. And some people are two steps behind, and can't fathom that. So they call people names. Sara has the best shrink: God.

-- February 26, 2008 10:01 PM


Sara wrote:

Thanks, investor. :)

The vast majority of the population on earth believes in a powerful intelligent being.
Logically, if this being exists as the majority believes, surely it is not beyond such a being's ability to talk/guide/communicate with people?

If the possibility of a communicating intelligent being (which most call God) exists - then logically you cannot exclude the reception of communication with God merely on prejudical grounds. Particularly if the majority of people acknowledge the existence of God, why is it beyond God's ability to communicate? The answer is that it is not beyond God's ability to communicate, therefore, it is not logical to insist that all people who claim to hear from God are psychotic. That is saying by 'a priori' assumption (first place assumption) that God does not exist. It is starting with excluding the possibility that there is a God.

And this 'a priori' assumption is not logical or scientific - and not held by the majority of mankind or even the population of the USA. From an article posted yesterday:

The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey estimates the United States is 78 percent Christian
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4339939&page=1

The article is lamenting those switching denominations within that 78 percent statistic - not a big deal in my mind as God didn't make denominations, men did - nevertheless the statistic stands, close to EIGHT of every ten people believe in God.. so why can God not communicate with any of them? What prevents us from believing God may do so if that is His will? This is calling someone psychotic based on a prejudicial opinion, not on any definitive evidence to the contrary. And opinions are like bellybuttons.. everyone has one. :)

So those like Anonymous here (or that talk show host I quoted before, Joy Behar) who say that people are psychotic who hear from God are excluding the possibility there is a God.. simply because others hear from Him and they do not. Such persons tend to be godless in the first place, so all this does is show you their religious view (and lack of religious experience). Who do you trust to tell you the truth about God - someone who has never heard from Him and never wants to or someone who says they have? (I agree, there would be qualifiers after that, but where do you start if you are looking for God.. logically do you start with an atheist or a believer? If you start with the atheist is it even possible to end up coming to know God, or is that excluded simply by your choice of an atheist? Can an atheist lead you to a place where they have never been themselves?)

Additionally, don't the words 'psychotic', 'freak' or 'nut' infer that such persons ought to be locked up in mental institutions? I don't think it is logical to lock up the majority of the earth's population based on an opinion which is itself based on an assumption without any scientific evidence to prove it (that God does not exist, I mean).

People like anonymous would be more at home in a place like Russia or North Korea or Communist China where such people's religious intolerance is systemized, not so much in the United States of America where the majority - that is, EIGHT of every ten Americans - acknowledge and own the Christian religion... which is why no Presidential candidate can hope to get in unless they profess the religion of America - Christianity. Do you really think McCain, Clinton, Nader or Obama would have a hope of getting into office if any one of them said they were an atheist or agnostic? Yet expressions of that tiny minority opinion such as given by anonymous here or Joy Behar are given room in the public sphere and tolerated or even endorsed when it oppresses freedom of religion all over the globe?

Anonymous and people like that are much like the Greeks who thought Christianity all foolishness:

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumblingblock, and to the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But to them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

It appears that the truth is hidden from anonymous, so that person's mind is blinded from the truth, what a pity.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them who do not believe, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them.

Once again, anonymous, if you can get past the atheistic prejudice you have been taught to believe, come to Christ. Ask Him to forgive you for all your sins by the work He did on the cross and accept His forgiveness. Don't let yourself be led astray, while professing yourself to be wiser. Do not be as those:

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools...

and so remain among the lost into eternity.
Remember God says:

Psa 53:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God.

Don't be one. Seriously.
I fear for you lest the light of illumination upon your path in life..
that illumination which is within you..
becomes darkness - while you continue to profess boldly that you walk in light.
Jesus said:

Mat 6:23 But if your eye be evil, your whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

Sara.

-- February 27, 2008 1:26 AM


Valerio wrote:

How long until this gamble in Iraqi dinars pays off? Many of us bought our dinar BINGO play 4 years ago now. We have our free center spot marked, but we still wait for them to start the game. Since my dinar purchase 4 years ago, my silver investments have trippled, my gold has more than doubled, and my stocks have doubled. But the dinar is a different story. The pay off has to be good to make it worth the wait. If we new it would have stood still this long we could have made alot of money on that which has been burried for 4 years. Those who have gotten in recently are fortunate in some ways. But then again look at how much fun they missed to this point,I guess.

-- February 27, 2008 1:55 AM


Roger wrote:

Anon,

I have been on this blog for quite some time, and you should know that Sara and I, have had quite some deep and thorough discussions about God, Universe, Creation, and all the other stuff. Sara and I have in many respects agreed, and in many respects we just can't agree on things.

Sometimes I have been quite far out, myself, and in my own Universe things fit together, but it is completely disagreeable to quite a few.

Agree, sometimes the blog is getting a bit heavy on the Christian Religious aspect of it, and me, as well as others don't like that too much. It's perhaps one of the reasons I am not here as much as in the past, as almost any aspect is immediately taken up from the Christian Religious aspect.

I am telling you this, so you can see that there are not a full agreement on everything that happens between all and everybody on this blog.

However, when you are looking at the contributions on this blog, with info, and news, you will find that Sara is one of the heavyweights here.

She have got a lot of bars on her chest, and I have not seen any contributions from you so far.

With all the disagreements Sara and I have.....Anonymous...it's not worth a right and wrong discussion on an emotional level. Sara and I can, and have had several right and wrong discussions, and can still have them without fear of each other, at any time of our liking, or discretion, but they are on a level of logic and reason.

It is a matter of having, and giving respect for another human being.

See it this way, if you are you, and you hate something that is not you, and wants to minimize it, and declaring it to be a lesser being, then that person you want to minimize, is in complete power over you.

Anything Sara says about her Christian conviction can not possibly harm you, but as you so frantically are declaring her psycho and all that stuff, the interest is not drawn to Sara, but it is drawn to you.

There must be something that scare the shit out of you, if someone claims he/she can talk with God.

What exactly is it that you don't want Sara to find out about you, from God.

Well what is it????

I suspect that there are not too many people in your life, that you truly and sincerely love. It might be an idea to start adding more people in that crowd, you might not agree with them all, but you can love them all.

Love them all......imagine that.

Sara,

Turks have killed 100 terrorists in Northern Iraq, well the headline continues to say that there are a fear of a widening of the conflict. I don't think so, there might very well be a widening of the Turkish operations, but as the long article pointed out posted by "Investor", the operations are completely blessed both by the Iraqis, the US and the Turks, and the pressure is more on the Kurds to rein in the PKK.

In a sense this will serve both the US and the Iraqi Govt, very well as this is a show of power, emanating from the Iraqi Central Govt, to the Kurds.

Saying, don't go too independent, better line up with the Central Govt, and don't pull out, don't be too cocky, after all, we, the Central Govt is the boss.

RobN,

CD is safe, and have a good return, but once you have your account funded, you can immediately start buying stocks. I do believe that this is the far most lucrative move you can do. You have yourself posted posts telling about the projects of kicking the Iraqi industry to life.

That tells me that the opportunity is now.

Stocks have held a slow creeping upward trend the latest weeks, and so far, the stocks are in a give away range.

This will probably not continue, the stock value will(of course) go upwards, as long as the Iraqi industry is expanding, getting invested into, and are being reconstructed with modern stuff, bringing more and more volume produced from those plants.

The stock value is in direct relation to the value of the industry's value, and production.

In my mind, you can probably count on a 10-15 year boom before anything starts to level out, perhaps even more, as the oil money will be an underlying long boost, forcing the industry into more and more projects. That is projects that is just not only talked about, as we have heard about the last couple of years, but projects that actually are getting done.

The Dinar is set on a ridiculously low level, and an RV or a zero lop, is a toss.

RV and everything is fine, zero lop, and the total return on the Dinar investment can reach 3, maybe 4 max 5 times.

Stocks can go up several hundred % a year.

Of course that's a dream scenario, but we are standing in front of a dream scenario right now, I hear nothing else other than news about contracts being signed, the "big oil" finally in, conventions and fairs, to attract investors, and big projects in the plans.

Ad that to a filthy rich nation, and there is nothing really "dreamy" about having several hundred % gain in many industrial sectors. This has been proven the case in other similar scenarios (like Kuwait) so it is not at all unlikely that the value of the Iraqi industry will skyrocket.

Either way, in case the very worst scenario plays out, a zero lop, with an in-nation exchange only, and a time limit for the exchange to take place, you are safe with the Dinars in an account in Iraq.

The value of the money invested will not come to a loss in that way.

On a lighter note, I am doing Hydrogen fuel cells for my car, and are experimenting with them, (having fun) and I do find that there are quite a bit of "underground science". Mostly on blogs that completely distrust and dismiss "conventional" physics. They all seem believe that there are free energy out there.

I am having some really fun discussions with the pseudo-physics crowd.

So far I am a crackhead, living in my box, and in the closet, or whatever, but so far I have not seen any explanatory description of free energy, the fun part is when I am letting them know that.

-- February 27, 2008 6:42 AM


Sara wrote:

Thanks, Roger.
Very true about our discussions. :)
Thank you that you could see the love in what I wrote.
It is not ridicule but concern for a wayward soul whose path leads away from God.
And it is God who is Love ("God is Love" the Bible says) that truly motivates my concern.

As for this further escalation of war with the Turks, PKK and the Peshmerga.. and with the fears over the conflict growing, I liked your viewpoint. I don't wish it to escalate further. However it might do so. Control of war scenerios and how they play out are really in the hands of the Almighty, and even a powerful nation like the US can only "advise" what they think should best be done concerning war relations between sovereign nations. Everyone from Iraq to the international community wishes this over with.. now. But somehow, Syria figures in here somehow.. it is a wedged shaped country with long borders with both Turkey and Iraq, and a border touching both of them where they meet on the thin edge of the wedge. And Syria is truly into weapons capability at this time. Remember the facility they had which appeared to be arming for nuclear war with Israel, so Israel took the installation out in a strike recently? I am still trying to factor in all the variables to see the scope of the scenerio I see brewing, but that factor is the one I see which is not addressed in any articles, and can be a wildcard.. as Syria appears to be like a puppet on a string.. whose puppeteer (Iran) can sometimes have differing goals than we would naturally view as logical (more like suicidal). I'd like assurances from Syria they won't seek to "secure" their borders in any threatening military way in the near future... I see Iran has strengthened their borders due to the conflict (they say).

As for the Iraqi stock exchange.. it sure is tempting to invest into it, as there is a lot of money to be made, as your scenerio suggests. Like picking a stock, though, which sectors you choose and which particular stock will do well in the short term takes a close-up look and intimate knowledge of what is going on and who is managing it. Since those factors are beyond the average person's ability to discern from such a distance, and startup persons are untried managers of such investment funds, I find it dubious to think I would have the right information in the timely manner necessary to make the right decisions in the short term... or the requisite trust in the newbies starting up Iraqi businesses. If you were to pick an oil stock and sit on it for the next ten years, yes, in time it would most likely go up.. quite a lot. But beyond that, you need a lot of discernment as to what to invest in, where and with whom. A lot of information is made in backroom deals over there that I don't think is in the public sector. It is almost a full-time job finding the right guys to trust with your money as well as the right sector and timing over here. I don't feel finding the right guys, right sector and timing over there is easy enough to do at this time. But then, I haven't put the time in to try and find all that information out there because it doesn't appear as easy as doing so over here with what I already know. I wish you and other investing Westerners well in the endeavor.. I think some will strike it rich, but many - probably most - will find the "goldrush" to be disappointing, just like in the Klondike Goldrush days.

News reached the United States in July 1897, when the first successful prospectors arrived in San Francisco, California on July 15 and in Seattle, Washington on July 17, setting off the Klondike stampede.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klondike_Gold_Rush

As with this, the early successful prospectors (such as you are positioning yourself to be) will likely set off a flood of (foreign/US) investment into Iraq in search of the "gold" there, eventually. You said, "Stocks can go up several hundred % a year." I agree that there is a lot of "gold" or money to be made in Iraq (in the right sectors and investments and with the right people) and you seem the kind of prospector who is most likely to ferret out the information necessary to find it, Roger. I wish you well. :)

As for hydrogen fuel cells and your saying there are, quote, "blogs that completely distrust and dismiss "conventional" physics. They all seem believe that there are free energy out there." (end quote)

Are you referring to energy generation without putting any energy IN? What I mean by that is.. atomic energy already exists in a fairly stable state throughout the visible universe. All it takes to unleash this potential energy is a nuclear reaction, which is fairly easy and simple to do. But the steps must be taken to unleash that potential energy. In that sense there is no "free" energy. I have seen many who wish there were a free lunch of energy.. it is a dream which goes against the laws of physics, though I am not against the possibility. In time perhaps, sometime in the future it will be attainable, once the key to unlock pandora's energy box is found and implemented. But for now it does not exist that we know of - there is no truly "free" energy which exists in our visible known universe at this time. But it sounds like the physics you are into is fun. :)

Sara.

-- February 27, 2008 10:21 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I have not seen much discussion this board concerning Article VII. I took the following information from another forum concerning the establishment of Iraqi soverignty.

In my personal thinking, this is as important as the passage of the Hydro Carbon Law and Oil distribution law.
____________________________________________________________

Chapter VII UN sanctions info. Interesting.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The debate over compliance with UN resolutions, however, has called attention to flagrant violations of Chapter VII resolutions on Iraq by Syria, which is ironically a member of the UN Security Council. Currently, all of Iraq's oil trade is under UN sanctions. UN Security Council Resolution 661 provided that no state was to trade in Iraqi oil; subsequently, the UN created, for humanitarian reasons, the oil-for-food program, which permitted Iraqi oil sales as long as the UN could strictly control the expenditure of any resulting oil revenues for food and medicine.

http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-7.htm

From a couple of weeks ago.

When the first round of negotiations on the Convention on the American Iraqi cooperation and long-term friendship between Baghdad and Washington in the coming weeks in the capital, the Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki would be headed by a high-level delegation to discuss the paragraphs of the Convention approved


"A declaration of intent." Signed Mr. Maliki, American President George Bush, the end of last year a "declaration of intent", and included five axes, supportive of the Government of Iraq and removing the threat of Section VII, in addition to cooperation in the political, economic, security, cultural and educational. Announced American Ambassador Ryan Crocker in Baghdad that the negotiations on the Convention far-reaching between Iraq and the United States will discuss them during the next few weeks. said in a press conference with the Minister of Justice American Michael Mukasi, who arrived in Baghdad yesterday, that these talks important step to remove Iraq from Section VII, This will be talks between the two parties hold full sovereignty. was Akbar Skinner government spokesman said in a press statement: that the agreement will enable Iraq to achieve the interests of the people in the economic, security and military, as well as political, diplomatic, cultural and friendly relations with the American people. to That informed sources said in a press statement: The Iraqi delegation will be headed by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the membership of the Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih and Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, in addition to a number of officials in the State.


And the last couple of days.


http://www.investorsiraq.com/showthread.php?t=69134


Ok, now we know the resolutions are still under UN control until June 30th. But look at this from a couple of weeks ago................


http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...39690949951504

UN transfers US$161 million from oil-for-food program to Iraq's development fund

EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

February 4, 2008 4:11 PM

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - The United Nations has transferred $161 million from the defunct oil-for-food program to a development program for Iraq, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Monday.

In a letter to the Security Council, Ban said the U.N. will continue to transfer ''unencumbered funds'' to the Development Fund for Iraq as it continues the process of terminating the oil-for-food program, found to be riddled with corruption.

The program, which ran from 1996 to 2003, was aimed at easing Iraqi suffering under U.N. sanctions imposed after Saddam's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. It allowed Iraq to sell oil provided the bulk of the proceeds were used to buy food, medicine and other humanitarian goods and pay war reparations.

But an 18-month investigation led by former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, found massive corruption in the program. Its final report in October 2005 accused more than 2,200 companies from some 40 countries of colluding with Saddam Hussein's regime to bilk the humanitarian program in Iraq of $1.8 billion.

Ban reported to the Security Council on a meeting in Jordan last month between U.N. officials and representatives of Iraq's Foreign Ministry and Central Bank, aimed at reducing the number of outstanding letters of credit from the oil-for-food program.

As of the end of 2007, he said there were 210 outstanding letters of credit valued at over $656 million. He urged Iraqi ministries to resolve outstanding claims before March 31 and said the working group would meet again in March.

Ban said a reserve of $187 million and a balance of$225 million would be retained in the oil-for-food account until all remaining issues have been resolved.

My conclusions are they really intend to have this wrapped up long before the end of June IMO and possibly even with an announcement tomorrow.

Interesting indeed.

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 27, 2008 10:28 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Another mention of article VII in the following article.
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الحوار العراقي الأمريكي ينطلق غدا بمنتدى التعاون الاقتصادي Iraqi-American dialogue is based Economic Cooperation Forum tomorrow


من محمد الغزي بغداد - 26 - 2 Mohamed Al Ghazzi BAGHDAD - 26 - 2 (KUNA) - start tomorrow, the negotiations between Iraq and the United States on a long-standing convention that the talks begin holding Iraqi-American Dialogue Forum on Economic Cooperation.

The Director of the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, Taha Hashemi in a statement to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA) said that the inaugural meeting of the Conference will be held at ten o'clock tomorrow morning, to be held in public and will be followed by workshops spread out, with four to five workshops will be held each day in the closing session noon Thursday, which followed issuance of a final statement.

Hashemi said that Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih delegation will be headed by Iraq, pointing out that the Iraqi delegation will include Finance Ministers Baqir Jabr al-Hussein Shahrastani, oil and trade Sudanese farmer Abdul Karim, electricity, industry and single Fawzi Hariri and reconstruction statement Dizah E. and agriculture Bahadli, national security adviser Muwaffaq Al-Rubaie addition Agents and managers concerned ministries years.

وأكد الهاشمي أن ورش العمل ستعقد للبحث في العديد من المجالات مشيرا الى أن هناك ورشا في المجال الصناعي والزراعي والطاقة ومكافحة الفساد والشفافية واصلاح القطاع المصرفي والتجارة والاستثمار وتحسين مستوى المعيشة ورفع قدرات الوزارات العراقية. Hashemi stressed that the workshops will be held to discuss the many areas, pointing out that there were workshops in the industrial, agricultural and energy and the fight against corruption, transparency and reform of the banking sector, trade and investment and improve the standard of living and raise the capabilities of Iraqi ministries.

من جانبها قالت السفارة الأمريكية في بغداد في بيان لها ان جولة الحوار الأمريكي العراقي هي منتدى للحوار بين البلدين حول التعاون الاقتصادي. For her part, the American embassy in Baghdad said in a statement, the Iraqi-American Dialogue Round is a forum for dialogue between the two countries on economic cooperation.

وأشار البيان الى أن الجانب الأمريكي سيمثله في هذه المحادثات السفير الأمريكي لدى العراق رايان كروكر وعدد من كبار مستشاري الحكومة الأمريكية. The statement pointed out that the American side was represented in these talks the American Ambassador Ryan Crocker in Iraq and a number of senior advisers to the American government.

وكان المتحدث باسم الحكومة العراقية علي الدباغ قد أكد في وقت سابق أن اتفاقية التعاون التي سيوقعها العراق مع الولايات المتحدة ستتيح للعراق التعامل مع أمريكا بصفته دولة مستقلة كاملة السيادة. The spokesman for the Iraqi government to Skinner had confirmed earlier that the cooperation agreement signed by Iraq with the United States will allow Iraq's dealings with the United States as a fully sovereign independent state.

وأوضح الدباغ أن الحكومة العراقية تسعى لاخراج العراق من الفصل السابع من ميثاق الأمم المتحدة وحرية التصرف بأمواله دوليا والانتقال به الى بلد متقدم وفاعل كي يسهم ايجابيا في محيطه الاقليمي والدولي. Skinner explained that the Iraqi government is seeking to remove Iraq from Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and discretion Bamwalh internationally and the transition to a developed and active to contribute positively to regional and international surroundings.

http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl...language_tools

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 27, 2008 10:31 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Iraq's oil exports hit 59.6 million barrels in Jan.

Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Wednesday , 27 /02 /2008 Time 4:51:54




Baghdad, Feb 26, (VOI) – Iraq's exports of crude oil reached 59.6 million barrels in January 2008, the State Oil Marketing Company said.

"The Oil Marketing Company exported 59.6 million barrels last month, with an average of 2 million barrels per day (bpd), achieving total revenues of $4.813 million," read a company statement received by Aswat al-Iraq, Voices of Iraq, (VOI).
Basra port's portion of the exported amount was 48 million barrels, with an average of 1.6 million bpd; while Kirkuk oilfields' share was 11 million barrels, 366,000 bpd, the statement explained.
A media spokesman for the Iraqi Ministry of Oil told VOI on Saturday that Iraq's oil exports total over 1.950 million bpd, including 1.600 million via the southern Basra port and 350,000 via the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan.
Mostly, Iraqi oil exports from northern oilfields are interrupted as armed groups repeatedly target the pipelines carrying oil from Kirkuk to Ceyhan port in Turkey. The larger quantities of crude are usually exported through ports in the safe city of Basra in southern Iraq.
(http://www.aswataliraq.info/look/english/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrArticle=70979&NrIssue=2&NrSection=2)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 27, 2008 10:33 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Interview: Iraq is open for business

In an exclusive interview with Noozz, Dr Salah Al-Shaikhly, the former Iraq ambassador to Britain, warns Western businesses that if they delay investment in Iraq any longer they risk losing out to Eastern European, Far Eastern and Middle Eastern competitors.
(www.noozz.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 27, 2008 10:37 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Prime Minister has hands full with Iraq issues

POL-UK-IRAQ-BROWN
Prime Minister has hands full with Iraq issues

LONDON, Feb 27 (KUNA) -- British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was Wednesday facing a double headache over Iraq, an appeal for help from five Britons held hostage for nine months, and a demand from the UK Information Commissioner to release the minutes of crucial Cabinet meetings held in the run-up to the war there, commentators said.

A clip of one of the five Britons, kidnapped in Baghdad on May 29 last year, has been broadcast by an Arab TV station which said it came from a Shiite group.

The bearded man, who seemed in good health, said "My name is Peter Moore, I have been held here for nearly eight months now".

He asked Brown to free nine Iraqis in exchange for their release.

"All I want is to leave this place. I tell Gordon Brown the matter is simple: release their prisoners so we can go".

"It's as simple as that. It's a simple exchange of people. That is all they want, their people, and we can go home", he added.

The five, who have not been officially named, were seized by about 40 gunmen wearing police uniforms at the Iraqi Finance Ministry.

At the time Iraqi officials blamed the Mahdi Army.

Four of the hostages were working for Canadian firm "GardaWorld" as security guards.

They are believed to have been the bodyguards of the fifth man, a computer consultant employed by "BearingPoint", an American management consultancy.

The British Foreign Office refused to confirm the hostage's identity, and condemned the video.

A spokeswoman said "We condemn the release of videos such as this, which are greatly distressing to the families of those involved. Our thoughts are with them at this difficult time".

"We urge those holding the group to release them immediately. We are in close contact with the Iraqi authorities and doing everything we can to try and secure a swift release".

"We ask all those who may be able to influence those holding the five men to make every effort they can to secure the safety and the release of the hostages".

"We again call directly on those holding these men to release them".

"No matter what the cause, holding hostages is never justified and is never a way of making progress on any issue. These five men should be released immediately", she added.

Meanwhile the Government is considering whether to appeal against an unprecedented ruling ordering it to release the minutes of Cabinet meetings held in the run-up to the war.

Information Commissioner Richard Thomas said the papers should be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act because of the "gravity and controversial nature" of the discussions involved.

It is the first time the Commissioner has ordered the release of Cabinet minutes, which are normally retained for at least 30 years.

British ministers have five weeks to decide whether to publish the papers or to lodge an appeal with the Information Tribunal.

The ruling relates to a Freedom of Information request for the minutes of two meetings in March 2003 when the Cabinet discussed the advice of the then Attorney General Lord Goldsmith on the legality of military action.

The Cabinet Office initially refused on the grounds that material relating to the formulation of government policy and communications between ministers was exempt under the terms of the act.

In his full, 13-page opinion given to the then Prime Minister Tony Blair, Lord Goldsmith argued that a "reasonable case" could be made for military action. However the Cabinet was only shown a one-page summary stating that the war was lawful.

Blair strongly resisted calls to release the full advice until his hand was effectively forced by a leak during the 2005 General Election campaign.(end) he.
(www.kuna.net.kw)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 27, 2008 10:40 AM


Sara wrote:

McCain has edge over Democrats
The GOP candidate is rated 'strongest leader.' The survey also shows Obama has a six-point lead over Clinton.
By Peter Wallsten, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
February 27, 2008

WASHINGTON -- As he emerges from a sometimes-bitter primary campaign, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain poses a stiff challenge to either of his potential Democratic opponents in the general election, a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

The findings underscore the difficulties ahead for Democrats as they hope to retake the White House during a time of war, with voters giving McCain far higher marks when it comes to experience, fighting terrorism and dealing with the situation in Iraq.

In head-to-head contests, the poll found, McCain leads Clinton by 6 percentage points (46% to 40%) and Obama by 2 points (44% to 42%). The Arizona senator is viewed favorably by 61% of all registered voters, including a plurality of Democrats.

The survey showed that McCain's potential advantages extend even to domestic issues, where he is considered to be most vulnerable. Even though McCain has joked about his lack of expertise on economic issues, voters picked him over Obama, 42% to 34%, as being best able to handle the economy.

"I just think he's older, he's more experienced, and he's got the betterment of the country in mind," said Robert Fear, 79, a registered Democrat from Newton, Ill., who said he planned to support McCain in November.

Democratic voters are divided over what should happen if neither Clinton nor Obama attains the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the nomination by the time the national convention begins Aug. 25 in Denver.

The survey's participants are evenly split over whether the 796 superdelegates should vote for the candidate they personally support or for the one who won their state. But a majority (52%) thinks the party should allow delegates from Florida and Michigan to participate, agreeing with the position taken by the Clinton campaign. The national party stripped those two states of voting delegations for setting their primary dates ahead of the party's election schedule.

But whether Clinton or Obama emerges with the nomination, McCain will be a force to reckon with.

When compared to either Democrat, McCain is rated as the "strongest leader." He easily outpaces both when voters are asked who has the "right experience to be president," beating Obama by 31 points and Clinton by 12.

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-poll27feb27,0,399782.story?track=ntothtml

-- February 27, 2008 12:42 PM


Valerio wrote:

Annon,
I've said before that all we really want to know is; has the dinar hit yet. Everything else is really just passing time until then.

If you don't like the religious comments of Sara, why not pass on reading them? Roger makes a good point in saying that your emotional aggression opens a window into yourself.

I personally have never heard an audible voice from heaven, actually no one I have ever known pesonally has. I think most people think they would like to, but I'm not sure we could handle it.

The annointed ONE of God taught this; Luke 18

9And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

The pharasee represents the religious, and the publican represents the secular. My point is, don't sweat it, God knows who's who.

The dinar has not hit yet, tune in tomorrow!

-- February 27, 2008 4:52 PM


Sara wrote:

Anon, I am sorry to hear that you took something I said personally and as if I were saying to you that I wished you dead. That is not so. When I asked the Lord about it, He gave me to read Ezekiel 9 and made me to understand that when He judges someone's sins they feel this feeling of conviction but it is not I who made that conviction but God. You truly need to make your heart right before Him. I am sorry I did not get to this sooner but I have a friend who.. I shouldn't say. I am busy with something important for a while here, is all. Valerio, you are right about the self-righteous versus those who are willing to ask for mercy for their sins from God. Jesus so often strove with those who thought themselves superior and wiser and more righteous while he preached and walked upon earth. He didn't seem to have so much difficulty with the common people who heard His words gladly and received His message of forgiveness of sins with joy. Perhaps it is because they were more keenly aware of just how very far they fell from that holy perfect standard God requires of us.

Sara.

-- February 27, 2008 8:00 PM


Sara wrote:

McCain, Obama tangle over Iraq pullout
Andy Sullivan, Reuters February 27, 2008

TYLER, Texas -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama faced off Wednesday in a possible prelude to a U.S. presidential election battle, tangling over whether Iraq would be prey for al-Qaeda if U.S. troops are withdrawn.

The unpopular war is an important fault line in the campaign for the November presidential election, with Democrats advocating a quick U.S. troop withdrawal while McCain insists a pullout would amount to surrender and give Islamic extremists a victory.

McCain, who has linked his candidacy to a successful outcome in Iraq, attacked Obama's stance on the war at a town hall meeting in Texas as he seeks to wrap up the Republican presidential nomination.

Obama said during the debate with Clinton that once he withdrew U.S. troops from Iraq, if al-Qaeda were to form a base there, "then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad."

"I have some news," McCain said. "Al-Qaeda is in Iraq. It's called Al-Qaeda in Iraq. My friends, if we left, they wouldn't be establishing a base, they'd be taking a country and I'm not going to allow that to happen."

In San Antonio, McCain sought to broaden his appeal among conservatives by picking up the endorsement of John Hagee, a pro-Israel evangelical leader. Hagee's apocalyptic writings have depicted Israel as a blood-soaked battleground that will see the return of Jesus Christ.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=338952

-- February 27, 2008 8:14 PM


Sara wrote:

Coalition Forces Kill Seven Terrorists in Iraq
By American Forces Press Service
Feb 27, 2008

WASHINGTON - Multinational Division North soldiers killed seven terrorists during a firefight east of Khan Bani Saad, Iraq, early yesterday morning, military officials reported.

Soldiers from the 2nd Infantry Division's 2nd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, were ambushed while conducting an operation to capture a known al Qaeda operative. Three of the soldiers were injured by small-arms fire in the initial attack, but were taken to coalition hospitals, where they were reported to be in stable condition. Seven terrorists were killed and two were detained during the operation, officials said.

In other news from Iraq, paratroopers with the 82nd Airborne Division's 2nd Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, captured a suspected Iranian-supported "special groups" commander in Baghdad's Shaab neighborhood. The suspect is accused of being involved in multiple roadside-bomb attacks. Several other suspected criminal members, some with explosives in their possession, were captured with him, officials said.

(Compiled from Multinational Corps Iraq news releases.)
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19503.shtml

-- February 27, 2008 8:22 PM


Sara wrote:

Open Thread
By NB Staff
February 28, 2008 - 09:35 ET

For general discussion and debate. Possible talking points:

Drudge is reporting (via Rasmussen) that Obama's now ahead of Clinton by four points in Texas.
Meanwhile, Rasmussen shows Hillary's lead in Ohio slipping.
See: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/ohio/ohio_democratic_presidential_primary
Is Tuesday the end of the road for Hillary's presidential run this year? Will she concede next week, or continue to hang in the race despite the futility? Assuming the former, are you planning to celebrate, or despair because you're more worried about Obama?

Speaking of Barack, Rasmussen finds people more comfortable with McCain on national security, Iraq, and the economy.
See:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/mccain_trusted_more_than_obama_on_national_security_iraq_and_the_economy As these three issues are probably most important to Americans at this point in time, doesn't this suggest that the current Obama inevitability is just as errant as Hillary's six months ago? Once the primaries are over, and the real campaign begins, how is a three-year senator going to prove his bona fides in these areas compared to a war hero that has been in Congress for 25 years?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2008/02/28/open-thread

-- February 28, 2008 12:10 PM


Investor wrote:

Why we invaded Iraq

The question has been, "if the invasion was for oil, why would the US invade to get what it could just buy?" There are two answers to this: security, and money. But the real answers is that countries start wars because they think they can win.

Given that the USA has 4% the world's population and uses 25% its oil, secure access to oil reserves without money flowing out of the USA is of vital importance in maintaining its way of life.

When buying something from a country, you have it today, but might not have it tomorrow. Tomorrow they might decide to sell to someone else. As China and India industrialise and modernise, their demand for oil goes up hugely; overall, world demand for oil is rising at 2.2% annually. But oil production in the world is plateauing, rising not even 1%. So at some point, demand will greatly exceed supply. At that point, oil exporters will decide, "will I sell to this country? Or this other country?"

The US tends to tell countries what to do, to be more democratic and who they can be friends with. India and China don't care what you do so long as you sell them raw materials so they can industrialise. The EU and Japan sort of care what you do but doesn't exactly get themselves winded running to tell you. So if it comes down to a choice of countries to sell oil to, countries would rather sell to other countries who don't bother them - first to India and China, second to the EU and Japan, and only lastly to the USA.

For energy supply today, for the USA buying is good enough. For energy supply tomorrow, they want physical control of that oil, they want energy security. Notice that we're not just talking about Iraq. Military strategy is a bit like chess - sometimes the strength of a piece is not what the piece is, but where it can threaten. Two-thirds of the world's proven oil reserves lie in Iraq, or in the countries bordering Iraq and the Persian Gulf. Having troops in Iraq puts the USA in the position to be able to threaten the rest; it gives the USA direct or indirect control over two-thirds the world's proven oil reserves. An implied threat is usually enough, you don't need a direct threat - half a century of commie and capitalist troops staring at each-other across minefields tells us that.

The second issue is money. The USA has a current account deficit equal to 6% of its GDP, and rising. That is, every year for each $100 the USA makes, it spends $106, and $6 of that goes out of the country, possibly forever. An economy can't go on like that forever.

Looking back in history, think of the Opium Wars between Britain and China. Britain bought tea and silk from China, and China insisted on being paid in silver, so silver was flowing out of Britain steadily; at that time silver was with gold the basis for the British currency, so Britain was quite literally running out of money. Britain tried to get China to buy things from Britain to balance it out, but China wasn't interested in British products, pretty much - except for opium. Only in opium did the British find something the Chinese wanted but couldn't make enough of by themselves. So the British sold the Chinese opium, and got some of their money back.

But then the Chinese government wasn't happy with millions of its people being stoned all the time, so they tried to crush the opium trade. And so began the Opium Wars, where Britain fought for the right to sell drugs to China. Britain had to, because China was taking all of Britain's money. Since Britain had 4% of the world's population and yet drew in 25% of the world's resources, the only way it could continue with its way of life was by going to war with China to ensure a good balance of trade, to stop the money flowing out of Britain. The other option was to get Britons to drink less tea, but no leader who wanted to be voted in was going to do that.

A similar thing's happening here. If the USA just buys oil from the world, then US money flows out of the country, and that 6% of GDP goes up and up. But if the USA physically controls the oil, and US companies are pumping the oil, then when the USA buys oil from Iraqi oil fields, it's actually paying itself. So invading Iraq helps the current account deficit. The other option was for the US President to tell Americans not to have SUVs, burgers, and to pay more taxes to build up public transport - nobody's getting elected on that platform.

Of course it may be objected that at the moment Iraq exports very little oil, and that the ongoing costly war doesn't help the financial position much, either. But we're talking about "why the USA invaded Iraq rather than simply buying the oil", we're not talking about, "wars never turn out the way you expected." Everyone except the USA knew that invading Iraq would be a big mess. In the end, countries start wars because they think they can win. If the USA had known it was going to lose it wouldn't have invaded.

"Losing" or "winning" a war is simply a matter of whether you achieve your war aims. The USA's war aims were to secure a stable and secure oil supply, and slow the flow of US money out of the USA and into the Middle East. It has failed in its war aims. That Saddam Hussein also failed in his war aims - "Stay in power and unite the Arab world behind me" - is irrelevant. It's possible for both sides to lose.

The USA thought it'd win.

This, by the way, is why "reduce, reuse, recycle" actually alters foreign policy. Because if we reduce our energy and material consumption, then we reduce fossil fuel imports. Then we can tell the whole Middle East to go to hell, and can base our foreign policy on principles rather than interests.

-- February 28, 2008 7:11 PM


Investor wrote:

That last post was borrowed from "Green with a Gun" blog. The only thing I disagree with is I think the US will win in Iraq. But "win" will mean the oil is flowing, even though Iraq will continue to be politically unstable, and blood as well as oil will continue to flow. Iraq is unlikely to be a peaceful country or a democracy in ten years, and will likely revert to barbarism and dictatorship. But that won't interfere with the oil business, and an RV of the Dinar.

-- February 28, 2008 7:51 PM


Sara wrote:

Investor - I think that oil was a factor. I think invading Iraq was thought to be a win-win situation and a paying prospect, that is, it was thought that the war in Iraq wouldn't cost anything in the end. Another factor involved in the thinking was that the US would get an ally in the region because the Iraqi economy would become intertwined with ours. We did the same with Japan and Germany. It was a win-win scenerio. The Iraqis become freed and no longer under the Butcher of Baghdad (Saddam), the Iraqi people would get a free country, democracy with better human rights than they ever had experienced before and with it prosperity.. and we would get a war paid for, an ally in the region, a threat to national security removed (Saddam), and future economic benefits in the form of oil trade as well. All these factors went into the decision. However, oil trade was NOT the only or even primary reason for going to war with Saddam in the first place. If 911 had never happened, President Bush would not have invaded Iraq. Circumstances moved his hand to do what he did.. and all these arguments were persuasive after that event. The event of 911 precipitated finding reasons for and against the measure of war and the pros outweighed the cons greatly. All this was in the hand of God and directed by Him for His purposes as international affairs and wars always are.

Watch as the next set are played out with Iran and the US. It will also be the US unwillingly being dragged into conflict with that nation.. and then, after the fact, the world saying it was planned aggressively by the war-mongering US all along.. in the upcoming Iran/US scenerio. Can we agree now, before it ever happens.. that no one running for the office of President is plotting to go to war with Iran and plans doing so the moment they reach that office? I do not say that there is no war scenerios run in the government. I think prudence dictates that. What I mean is.. no one is PLOTTING at this point to deal with Iran militarily. They would prefer peace and diplomacy. I think most would agree at this time that the US is not planning it right now.. most would not at this point buy into such wacky conspiracy theories. But when circumstances move the US into having to act because the US has to address this threat when it happens.. it will be as this post from the Greeny Blog.. presented like a "fait accompli" (accomplished fact) before it was even begun.. along with questionable selfish purposes and motives to justify their conspiracy theories. And the amazing thing is.. some normal people have and will continue to absorb and agree with these wacky ideas.

I was listening to an awesome documentary on 911 and how the conspiracy theorists continue to parrot their beliefs in spite of the facts. It is a real eye opener as to how people buy into conspiracy ideas and hold them dispite the proof to the contrary. I think it instructive and highly recommend listening to it, if you have the time - to help with seeing clearly the next time we have to go through the conspiracy theorist ideas for the next scenerio we will be dealing with - Iran.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U233im9IcMg&feature=PlayList&p=581119794FD1A315&index=3

Sara.
PS About my much earlier post saying that there will not be a terrorist strike on US soil while President Bush is in office and that this is PARTLY due to the safeguards President Bush has put in place.. the Democrats have removed them, to see what will happen and if they can open the homeland to attack in this way. Well, the reason the Lord said to say PARTLY is because the other parts are the most compelling reasons and though I know what they are, He told me not to say. So long as the Dems and terrorists don't know what they are, they cannot put the country at risk as they have shown they are more than willing to do. No worries, it won't be allowed under a Bush Presidency.. for the reasons of those OTHER PARTS. :) God is good..
I find it hard to believe that they are that irresponsible and cruel that they would play politics with American lives.. but obviously, this was a test.. and one where God now knows their hearts on it. Kudos to the GOP for the walkout.. that shows Him where their hearts are, too. Hence, I believe, this test is one of the reasons it is His will that McCain - a Republican - be in office for the next four years. He knows who cares for the lives of the American people and will act for them with responsible leadership. This was a test.. one the GOP passed.

-- February 28, 2008 10:44 PM


Sara wrote:

Iraqi gov''t urged to be patient before signing long-term agreement with US

BAGHDAD, Feb 24 (KUNA) -- Spokesman of the Iraqi government Dr. Ali Al-Dabbagh asserted here on Sunday that the long-term cooperation agreement that Iraq would sign with the United States would allow Iraq to deal with America as a fully independent and sovereign country, however, the religious authority in Najaf urged the Iraqi government to take its time before negotiations start.

Al-Dabbagh said in a statement the Iraqi government is seeking to remove Iraq from Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations and to have Iraq be free to deal with its money internationally, adding that this is one of the main problems facing Iraq.


http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/Story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=1074000

===

That sure is a problem.. Iraq not being free to deal with its own money internationally.
Wouldn't you agree?

Sara.

-- February 28, 2008 11:56 PM


Roger wrote:

Anonymous and Sara,

Ok I have said my piece, Sara hers, and Anonymous his/hers. How about, from now on, I back out of the Sara/Anon stuff, I have said what I had said and have really nothing more to ad. Well perhaps one more thing, ...Anon, just do us all ONE favour, please, don't go with this "Nut" stuff, it's so unnecessary, other than that, post what you feel, and say what you want. It's just that little invisible line that are threaded over that is so visible.

Sara/Anon slug it out if you wish.

Ok having that said, where were we? ( say the last three words fast hundred times)

Sara,

The PKK stuff, my take is that this may or may not intensify, however, if this is with the blessings of the three, Turkey, US and the Iraqi gov, this doesn't matter, as it is sanctioned to be that way.

The operations themselves may intensify, but to the degree that may happen, this will not increase any tensions or have to be kept under wraps.

To me this operation is more result oriented, get the PKK and when that is done to significant level of result, that is that. If Turkey stays after that, and have a hard time pulling out, THEN we might get into another scenario, but that is another story.

How to go about getting in on the stock market in Iraq and choose stocks, ....this is very important, someone will cut a finger off you hand everytime you do something wrong.

No, really if there is a non performing stock, you sell it off, simple as that.

If you are buying stocks you must buy for a minimum of 50.000 IQD in each company.(ABOUT 50 BUCKS).

The stock market are still doing it with chalkboards and are not doing it electronically ....well the first bid was last August, then it was suppose to be a couple of months later, then in the beginning of the year, and now.....well...you tell me, I give up, whenever.

Anyhow they're working on it :) (chuckle)

The stocks are in a very low range now, and are in a long trend slowly heading up.

What to pick if you are unsure about what to pick.

Sara, if there was a crystal ball for that question, I would be a very rich man now. But I would say, common sense will dictate pretty much where you should go.

Don't pick companies that have a wonderful product on how to keep frogs out of your swimming pool, don't pick companies that are selling Buddhist statues in Iraq, and don't pick companies that sell mufflers for farting Iraqis when they bend over in their praying sessions.

Well jokes aside what I am saying is, go for established recognized companies.

Choose in the section you are interested in, like banks, (that is a good and established activity, you know what that is), investment companies if you like those, heavy industry, that's pretty easy to recognize...well you see where I am going here.

One very good strategy if you are very unsure would probably be to try to make a good spread, let them work for you for a while, and when the market are taking off, you can pretty much see the sluggish stocks, and dump those, and with what you got, reinvest them in your top performer instead.

I am particularly interested in anything that have to do with construction, construction material, or industry that have to do with raw material that will be used in construction.

You can buy stocks at the moment your account is funded.

e-mail :ifrd@warka-bank-iq.com

and say: Dear Mr M.K Issa,

My name is :xxxx and I am interested in opening up a Dollar and Dinar account, please e-mail me back to e-mail address XXXXXXXXX@com and give me a Dinar and Dollar account Nbr in the name of XXXX XXXXXX plus instruction in how to go about to fund the account.

Thank you,

XXXX XXXXXX

That's all, you will get an e-mail to you pretty quick, with your new account number.

It will also give you a lot of data SWIFT numbers, routing numbers, bank codes and a lot of jadijada, that you need when you transfer your funds over there.

Anyhow, that's an operation in itself, if you're getting into problems, come back on it.

Ok, now you have the account funded.

From the second you have it funded, you can go and pick out your stocks.

Now you need a scanner.

Write an authorization letter.

I can give a sample of what am using:


copy : isx@warka-bank-iq.com
copy: ifrd@warka-bank-iq.com


WARKA-ISX AND ACCOUNT AUTHORIZATION


I, (your name)are signing this authorization letter which permits Warka Bank I&F to withdraw from my account (fill in your Dinar account number) to purchase stocks from the ISX on my behalf.

I will order stocks for a Dinar amount, to be purchased for the price of the trading day. Amount of stocks given, depending on the daily spot market price.


1. Iraq Engineering Works.............................3 million IQD
2. Falluja for Construction Material..................2 Million IQD
3. Baghdad bank.......................................3 Million IQD
4. and so on


( Signed )
*** Your name printed ***


Please confirm this purchase order to : (Your email)


And that's it, you then print it out, sign it, scan it, attach it to an e-mail and send it to the two addresses on top of the form.

In about a day or so you will have an e-mail coming back saying that the order will be executed the next trading session.

Once the purchases are done, you will be notified what you have, print it out, and save that in a folder.
If they could not get ALL the stocks, you have to do the pick list above again.

There was a bit of confusion when people didn't get all they needed, and then they had additional e-mails telling them what to do and it got all so confused, that there is a rule now, saying that ONE pick list is valid for ONE trading session.

So it's easy pick what you want, see what you get, and start building it up in your "portfolio".

Some companies are not trading all the time, so if you are aiming for some specific companies you may have to resubmit over and over until you have all that you want.

Go over to the official ISX site and start familiarizing yourself with it, it pretty much sucks compared with western stuff, but hey , they're still on chalkboards, and whole industrial sections are in giveaway prices, so just splurge my friends.

As for the free energy, well there is free energy and free energy, energy that is given, like wind in a sail or wood in the forest, is an economic free energy, but what these guys are talking about is the idea that you can yank energy out of an energy chain without an exchange.

Energy can not be created or destroyed, it can merely be transformed.

-- February 29, 2008 8:37 AM


Sara wrote:

Roger, thanks on the stock tips. I think I will go over to the ISX site and look at what stocks are being offered. That was a pretty comprehensive tutorial I can come back to, thanks! :)

As for the PKK, the thing I keep thinking is this:


/................................................................................................\...................................
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........./..R.......................................................................................\ .............................
........../..K......................................................................................\ ............................
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............../..Y...................................................................................\..........................
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................../........................................................................................\......................
SYRIA........../ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /(border lines)///////////////////////// / / / / \....IRAN....................
..................../...........................................................................................\...............................
................../................WAR ZONE in Northern Iraq...........................................\...........................
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............./..Q.......................................................................................................\..................
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........./..R...............................................................................................................\................
......./..I...................................IRAQ...........................................................................\.............
...../...........................................................................................................................\............
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/...................................................................................................................................\...........

That is the geography question. Syria borders both countries in a wedge shape. Iran also borders the conflict on the other side. This appears to me to be the wildcard. Yes, all you say here is as you said. The operation has the blessing of the US, Turkey, and Iraq.. so it should be ok if that is where it stays and those two bordering countries, particularly Syria, remain on the sidelines as they are depicted here, simply watching the action and not involved as players. If it goes on too long, they could be drawn into it. Their regional viewpoints may differ with those who are currently in this action. Their loyalties certainly differ. We will see.

As for anon, I am certainly not going to stop being a religious Christian because it bothers him/her to hear from someone who has a living faith. From what I can see, not all Canadians like him/her are anti-Bush/US government and anti-religion. I found this on the net and thought it interesting in that regard:

Opponents slam Obama after CTV story on NAFTA
28/02/2008 8:22:32 PM
Allegations of double talk on NAFTA from the Obama and Clinton campaigns dominated the U.S. political landscape on Thursday.
CTV.ca News Staff

During a candidates' debate Tuesday, both Democratic party leadership contenders Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama suggested they would opt out of the North American Free Trade Agreement if core labour and environmental standards weren't renegotiated.

On Wednesday, CTV reported that a senior member of Obama's campaign called the Canadian embassy within the last month.

The official said that when Senator Obama talks about opting out of the free trade deal, the Canadian government shouldn't worry. The operative said it was just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously.

The CTV exclusive also reported that sources said the Clinton campaign has made indirect contact with the Canadian government, trying to reassure Ottawa of their support despite Clinton's words.

"I don't think it's appropriate to go to Ohio and tell people one thing while your aide is calling the Canadian ambassador and telling him something else," McCain said, referring to Obama. "I certainly don't think that's straight talk."

On Thursday, the Canadian embassy in Washington issued a complete denial.

But just yesterday, one of the primary sources of the story, a high-ranking member of the Canadian embassy, gave CTV more details of the call. He even provided a timeline.

Sources at the highest levels of the Canadian government -- who first told CTV that a call was made from the Obama camp -- have reconfirmed their position.

http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2f20080228%2fturkey_Gates_080228

These Canadians within their government, quote, "Sources at the highest levels of the Canadian government" who are leaking this hypocrisy to the press are likely not Democrat sympathizers...

Sara.

-- February 29, 2008 9:52 AM


Sara wrote:

Turkish Military Confirms Iraq Withdrawal
NPR.org, February 29, 2008

Turkey's military on Friday confirmed that all its forces have withdrawn from northern Iraq, where they crossed the border last week in pursuit of Kurdish separatist rebels.

The military said it had completed its goals against militants of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, a group fighting for the autonomy of predominantly Kurdish southeastern Turkey.

The confirmation followed an earlier announcement from Iraq's Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari that regional authorities were reporting Turkish troops were leaving.

Turkey's military said it killed 237 rebels in the eight-day ground offensive and lost 24 of its soldiers in the fighting. The PKK said it has killed more than 100 Turkish troops since the offensive began but has given no figure for its own casualties.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87793676&ft=1&f=1010

Whew!

Sara.

-- February 29, 2008 10:09 AM


Sara wrote:

U.S. military kills 5 militants in exchange of fire in Iraq
AP February 29, 2008

BAGHDAD: Five suspected militants were killed and 22 detained in raids in central and northern Iraq targeting al-Qaida in Iraq, the U.S. military said Friday.

The five were killed Friday east of Khan Bani Sad, located about 35 kilometers (22 miles) north of Baghdad, during an exchange of fire between troops and the suspects, according to a statement.

Aircraft destroyed the building targeted in the raid, and nine others were detained, the military said.

Two other suspected militants were detained in a related raid Friday in Baghdad after Iraqi forces entered a mosque compound where they were hiding. U.S. troops did not go inside the compound during the operation, the military said.

Ten others were arrested in other raids Friday and one was detained on Thursday, the military said.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/29/africa/ME-GEN-Iraq-Raids.php

-- February 29, 2008 10:19 AM


Sara wrote:

Iraq council approves "Chemical Ali" hanging
29.02.2008
Reuters
By Ahmed Rasheed and Mariam Karouny

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The last legal hurdle to the long-delayed execution of "Chemical Ali", a cousin of Saddam Hussein and once one of the most feared men in Iraq, has been removed, Iraqi officials said on Friday.

Iraq's presidency council has given the go-ahead for Ali Hassan al-Majeed to be hanged, although no date has been set for his execution.

Majeed's reputation for ruthless use of force to crush opponents won him widespread notoriety during Saddam's rule and led many Iraqis to fear him more than the Iraqi leader himself.

Asked when Majeed would be hanged, an adviser to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said: "It will be a matter of days."

The two officials said it would be up to Maliki's government to set a date for the execution.

The U.S. military, which has custody of Majeed and other former members of Saddam's government, said it had not received a request to hand him over to the Iraqi authorities, which would signal that his execution was imminent.

A compromise solution now appears to have been worked out to go ahead with the execution of Majeed while the dispute over his two co-accused is left to another day to be settled.

"There are different points of view regarding the others that need to be resolved," said the presidency council source.

Majeed was convicted of directing the Anfal military campaign in 1988 which prosecutors said killed up to 180,000 Kurds. His hanging has long been sought by Kurds.

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=7674146

-- February 29, 2008 10:28 AM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

I would like to get you're opinions regarding M2 and the value of the Dinar. Does either an increase or decrease in M2 affect the value of the Dinar.

What if the Dinar is allowed to free float within the specific limits of cash reserves and gold? How will this affect the value of the Dinar?

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 29, 2008 1:41 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

Analysis: Iraq oil debate review


Published: Feb. 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Print story Email to a friend Font size:By BEN LANDO
UPI Energy Editor
WASHINGTON, Feb. 28 (UPI) -- Iraq's draft oil law is stalled in Parliament, the national government and Kurdistan Regional Government are moving forward with their own deals -- unconstitutional, the each says of the other -- and Iraq's oil production is stalled at just more than 2 million barrels per day.

Perhaps it's a good time to take a step back and recap the debate over Iraq's oil sector and its possibilities. To do so, United Press International has reviewed three recently published documents providing contrasting and varying insight. It's not exhaustive, but a good addition to an important discussion.

The first is "An Opinion Opposing the Existing Draft Iraqi Oil & Gas Law," by Fouad al-Amir, a 70-year-old Iraqi resident with "40 years in the Iraqi Ministry of Oil," according to an ex-Iraqi oil official.

"The importance of Iraq comes from its high oil reserves, and the very good possibility of increasing it," al-Amir wrote. He called it suspect that U.S. officials and Big Oil companies have had their eye on Iraq's oil since before the war, citing Vice President Cheney's energy task force documents, State Department study groups and an oil company-funded think tank calling for a certain type of contract.

Iraq's oil sector has been nationalized since the 1970s, though Saddam Hussein gradually displaced many technocrats with political allies, and oil production decreased.

A proposed oil law that receives heavy backing from Washington is being touted as a way to direct investment to the oil sector, through at least partial denationalization. The fear by opponents, such as al-Amir, is that through production-sharing contracts private companies will be allowed too much access and even control over Iraq's oil. PSCs, which the KRG has signed in frustration with Baghdad, give companies a guaranteed minimum cut of the oil, after recouping their costs, deals looked upon as favorable by Wall Street.

"The existing laws in Iraq allow all kind of oil development, except foreign sharing in Iraqi oil," al-Amir wrote. "There would be a need for (an) oil law later when safe and stable, political and social, matured conditions are prevailing. … It should be reorganized to emphasize central planning and decentralized application of the plans."

The Iraq National Accord, a political party led by former Iraq Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, who is angling to replace current Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's governing coalition, has issued a critique of the current process of the oil and gas law, as well as of the national Oil Ministry.

The INA calls for an immediate passage of the Revenue Sharing Law to "create trust on all sides." It's set to be included in a package of laws along with the oil law, the Ministry of Oil law and the Iraqi National Oil Co. law.

INA calls for the INOC to be re-established and given the task of operating currently producing fields "and double their current production," while international and Iraqi private oil companies should bring into production the discovered but not developed fields.

"The government's role should be regulation and oversight, while having capable companies Iraqi and international, investing and working in all areas of Iraq," the paper said.

And it repeated the claims of the KRG in its dispute with the national government. It said Baghdad made "unauthorized changes" to the draft oil law agreed to in February 2007. That law is now stuck in Iraq's Parliament. The KRG decided to move forward on its own, passing a regional oil law and signing dozens of contracts with international oil companies.

The INA said any contracts will increase oil production, thus revenues, and should be considered "positive." It said the Supreme Court of Iraq should determine which side is correct in the dispute, which is based on either sides interpretation of the 2005 Constitution, and criticized national Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani for, among other things, calling the KRG deals "illegal," blacklisting companies that signed with the KRG and cutting those firms from Iraq oil purchases.

While the timeline for finding agreement on the oil law is unknown, a new report from the Center for Global Energy Studies says there is much than can, and should, be done to enhance Iraq's hydrocarbons sector in the meantime.

"The fact that the nation is composed of different sects and races has contributed less to the problem than politics, the security vacuum post April 2003, and the very slow process of building up and equipping the national army and security forces. The conditions in Kurdistan have been safe enough for business. In the southern governorates of Basra and Missan, security conditions have been relatively satisfactory for field activity to continue," according to the Executive Summary of the report -- which is offered by the London-based consultancy for more than $26,000.

"Field activity in the short term can, however, go ahead in Anbar, Basra, Missan, South Thi Qar (Nasiriyah), parts of Wasit, in addition to Dohuk, Erbil and part of Sulaimaniya" provinces, the report added. Large-scale exploration is the biggest holdout until the government decides who controls the oil strategy.

Other issues include the flaring of 70 percent of gas produced during oil production, instead of utilizing it in power generation.

Plans in the early 1980s to boost production to 6 million bpd were cut short by successive wars, U.N. sanctions and Saddam's mismanagement of the sector. Security issues keep out contractors and political stalling keeps Iraqis from doing any major projects. Production increases will come after wells, pipelines and other infrastructure are fixed, upgraded and protected, the report said.

And although Iraq's export facilities have a 3.5 million bpd capacity, according to the report, increasing production to the 6 million bpd target -- or higher -- "would definitely require expansion of the production centers, trunk lines, main lines and export facilities."

The northern pipeline from Kirkuk to a Turkish port has only recently been regularly protected from insurgent attacks, and is now flowing at about 350,000 bpd -- less than a quarter of its capacity. Meanwhile exports from the southern ports are heading toward the 1.9 million bpd mark. Other pipelines have been bombed and remain out of operation.

The report predicts average daily production will reach 2.692 million bpd by 2010, with exports at 2.217 million bpd. Such oil sales would continue to bring in the tens of billions of dollars -- especially at today's oil prices -- which fund nearly the entire Iraqi federal budget.
(www.upi.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 29, 2008 1:43 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

US and Iraq Pledge Economic Cooperation
By Daniel Schearf
Irbil, Iraq
29 February 2008

Schearf report - Download (MP3)
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U.S. officials have praised Iraq's recent efforts to develop its economy and pledged cooperation on banking and trade. But Iraqi officials say the lack of security is still restricting investment and growth. Daniel Schearf reports from the northern Iraqi city of Irbil.

American and Iraqi officials wound up two days of talks Thursday aimed at finding ways to improve Iraq's fledgling economy.


David McCormick (file photo)
David McCormick, the U.S. Treasury Undersecretary for International Affairs, says Baghdad has made progress on its budget, the reform of state-owned banks, and cracking down on corruption. "I think I speak for all my colleagues at this table when I say that you will find in this team a group that is absolutely committed to working with you, working with your leadership in the coming months, and bringing all the commitment and focus and resources we can bring to bear to ensure the success of what you're doing," he said.

U.S. officials have said Iraq should take advantage of recent security gains to improve the economy.

Although security is still a problem, the number of terrorist attacks is down by sixty percent from the levels of June with a surge in U.S. troops and cooperation with militia groups.

The U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, says improvements in security have come at an extremely high price in the lives of Iraqi and coalition soldiers and police. "We owe it to them, Iraqi and collation men and women, who gave their lives to make Iraq a better place that we move ahead with the economic development and reform that will cement the security gains permanently," he said.

Tens of thousands of Iraqis and nearly 4,000 U.S. troops have been killed since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Iraq has struggled to develop its economy after years of fighting, economic sanctions, and a largely centrally controlled economy.

The Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, Barhim Salih, says terrorism, criminals, and corruption are slowing improvements.

He warns security gains will be lost if they do not make needed improvements to unite all Iraqis against fundamentalists and terrorists. He says security will deteriorate if they fail to improve services for Iraqis and their daily lives.

Political infighting over budgets and oil revenue sharing has held up spending on civil services and investment, and increased sectarian distrust.

Iraq this week approved a budget law after months of delay, but politicians have yet to agree on oil revenue sharing.
(www.voanews.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 29, 2008 1:45 PM


Rob N. wrote:

All:

MP calls for demonstration to protest Ahmadinejad's visit 29/02/2008 14:59:00

Baghdad (NINA)- MP Muhammad Al-Dayni has called for peaceful demonstration to protest the intended visit by the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, due to start next Sunday. In a statement to the National Iraqi News Agency Friday
(www.ninanews.com)

Thanks,

Rob N.

-- February 29, 2008 1:46 PM


Sara wrote:

Not a FREE or REAL monetary value for the Dinar

Rob N, thanks for the great posts. :)

You asked, "I would like to get you're opinions regarding M2 and the value of the Dinar. Does either an increase or decrease in M2 affect the value of the Dinar?"

My view is that NOTHING affects the value of the Dinar directly. It all goes through a process which is not market or demand driven, really. It is not in that sense "free"... therefore the value of the Dinar may be moved up or down but it isn't a direct relationship, someone (think of it as a cartel) is behind it moving the levers of economic value. So the M2 will only affect the Dinar value if the persons who are behind the daily values base their valuations on the increase or decrease of the M2. There is no direct relationship as it is not free floating with market force volatility affecting its value. It is what they call "a managed float". We see it move up and down, but it is not really in response to the market, but in response to the managers who are "managing" the float and what they call once they see various factors which may affect its value (such as the M2, economy, etc). Have you noted in all the money documents which come out that they praise the Iraqi money managers for doing a good job with setting the value of the Dinar and keeping it well managed? Iraq does not have a true free market value or a free float. It has money managers who manage the value of the Dinar and do so within set guidelines, as those documents point out.

Roger put it best here: http://truckandbarter.com/mt/archives/2007/03/iraqi_dinar_dis_8.html#131962
when he wrote to Laura about the "monopoly money" scenerio we now have.
Please indulge me for that excellent quote from Roger:
Laura,

If I think what your asking for I have an answer to you, but I'm a bit in the blue as to what bank you are referring to when you say that "The Dollar was bought up and the Dinar buying was down at one point".

I assume you are referring to the CBI's official page where the daily auction is announced and where it says how much Dollar was sold and how much was bought.

Well, actually it is not Dinars that are bought and sold, it is Dollars.

CBI issues Dinars, and have as many of them as you could wish for, but have to control the amount in circulation.

The auction is a mean for CBI to legitimize a value for the Dinar.

Imagine you are sitting on a desolate island, and have only monopoly money, worth nothing, but there are a couple of other people on this island, and you have all declared it a nation of your own.

Na monopoly money was perhaps not a good example, but lets say you have printed up a lot of bills, and you call them Credits.

You have 1, 5, 10 25 Credit bills, and you have a bundle of them.

You must create some kind of value to those bills, and one of the simplest ways is to have those bills exchanged somewhere toward a big and known currency. (Dollar)

You are producing fish, fish oil, and sheep wool in abundance from that small little island.

From those products you are getting Dollars.

Here is the trick...set any value you want on your Credit's, and make an auction out of it,.... but you can only buy the Dollar offered, with your Credits that you have neatly printed up in different denominations for your island kingdom.

If you bought much or little doesn't matter, because you have already in before hand set the exchange rate.

Just by the fact that you now have an auction and have in fact done an exchange between Dollar and Credits, make the Credits officially exchangeable with Dollar to that rate you set for that day.

The amount of Dollar bought or sold is of less importance. That's just smoke and mirrors, the RATE you bought or sold it for is the key.

Once you have established an exchange rate with one currency you will automatically have a level of exchange rate with other currencies as well.

You can now officially circulate your Credits on your island kingdom, and announce that they have already been exchanged for Dollars with such and such value, so...that is the value your Island Kingdom Credits are worth.

The Iraqi auction is an in-house auction, they're basically selling to themselves, so the money bought and sold stays in the house.

The amount you see on the auction site doesn't really reflect anything more other than how much Dollars they sold that day, it doesn't reflect the total state income.

Usually they put up as much Dollar on the auction that they need for their daily state budget.

Iraq is not a poor nation with any means, just a confused nation. Iraq have very big reserves both in Dollar and Gold.( and of course very very big reserves in oil)

Some bloggers have been spinning on the idea that the Iraqis are buying up Dinars with Dollars on the auction.

That's not the way it works.

They can withdraw and destroy as much Dinars they wish without auction, for heavens sake, they're sitting on them.

No need to buy anything with any Dollars, you just need to open a door and cart out a load of Dinars, if you want more in circulation, or burn some, whatever you wish.

The Dinar, the vast amount of bundles of paper they're storing...THAT is what they fork up for the Dollar.

Dollars that are bought by Dinars (in the auction) can be bought by either new issued Dinars OR old circulated Dinars.

So Laura, the amount of Dollar sold one day in comparison with another day, is of lesser significance.

===end quote===

So you see, we are not dealing with a real world scenerio.. we are in an "Island Kingdom" playing a monopoly game.. which has no relationship to the real world, the real Dinar value or the cash, gold and oil reserves of Iraq. It is based on the value set by the "king" in the scenerio that Roger outlined, not on the value of the cash, gold or oil.. or the M2 supply.

You then ask, "What if the Dinar is allowed to free float within the specific limits of cash reserves and gold? How will this affect the value of the Dinar?"

Here we are finally speaking of real market value.. a FREE FLOAT.. within the limits of its cash reserves and gold. This is now out of monopoly land. Certainly within that scenerio, Iraq would come out at LEAST as valuable as its neighboring countries.. in the 30 cent USD range. I cannot see that Iraqi currency is worth LESS than their neighboring countries' currency, in a free floating REAL market value.

As for the higher valuations often mentioned on other Dinar sites, it is only when people figure in the idea of monetizing the oil reserves.. which adds to the cash and gold figure.. that they come up with those larger valuations. Put on the market now at its current value, I think it is worth around 30 cents USD.

I think the 30 cents USD valuation is a good starting point for a truly free Iraqi currency and I believe it would have that value as solidly as the surrounding countries do. Why do they not allow this to happen? One scenerio which I have supposed is that they consider the potential for war with Iran so great that this would harm the fledgling new value so they are unwilling to allow it. Iran making war a constant reality (through helping militants) and threat (through seeking nuclear arms) could be a very influential factor preventing the "money managers" from being comfortable with giving Iraq the ability to trade freely (as do other currencies) based on their real worth (cash and gold reserves). Perhaps we are stuck in a monopoly game without end or real value to the Dinar instead of the real world based on their fears of Iran creating war if they go to real time instead of fairytales. In the monopoly world they have created, they can live in their imaginary kingdom forever.. without it affecting their currency. If they let it go to market.. they don't know what will happen. Stability is a key to investment so they keep their currency stable this way. Smoke and mirrors as Roger said... indeed.

Another scenerio I toy with when I read a lot about the corruption in Iraq is this.. We keep hoping for a RV.. but they never have to give one. They can live in fairyland forever if they wish to. They don't ever have to join the real world. They just make it LOOK real. There are no market forces changing the value of the Dinar. It is completely internally driven. They take our dollars when we buy Dinars and that is real money for monopoly money. They take real money for the goods they sell, too. But they never have to make their monopoly money worth anything on the market if they do not want to. They are insulated from the real world and can choose to stay that way.. impoverishing the population forever while the king and his court get their cut of the real money and wealth flowing through the country. They are monetary imperialists.. that is, they extend their authority over the people by establishing an economic stranglehold on the wealth of the country by their artificially setting the value of the Dinar.

Take your pick.. or suggest one of your own. Why do you think they live in monopoly land instead of in the real world? Are they unwilling to let the "infidels" get the real value of their currency, and so enrich us? Is it religiously motivated? Is it due to fears of war? Due to corruption and greed? Due to a desire to have power over the people and keep them impoverished? There are many scenerios.. only God knows I guess. Which do you think most viable?

I go back to the spiritual causes (because they are the highest and rule over all). Remember what I shared about seeing those huge spirits of Persia which have been there since the time of Daniel? Spiritually, there are forces which do not wish to allow it. Do they use false religious views about enriching the evil West, Iraqi greed, corruption, power-mongering and fears of war to further their aims to keep the Iraqi people impoverished and at their mercy? (They have no mercy, by the way - see the news for what they motivate men to do to keep Iraq unstable.) Well.. I certainly think they are doing so... manipulating us humans for their infernal purposes, I mean. My view is to wait on God until He moves to make this happen.. as I am certain He wills it to go and will work it all out somehow in His way and time. I don't think the problem is political.. it is spiritual as the powers of darkness use these factors to prevent the RV... playing on fears, corruption, greed or lust for power. I'm just sad to see so many are their puppets. They have come so close to doing the right thing.. then pull back as the powers of darkness appeal to the human factors of greed, lust, fear, false religious zeal or false patriotism, etc. I wonder how long they can continue to do so.. how long they will remain in their grasp.

Sara.

-- February 29, 2008 11:27 PM


Investor wrote:

Tuesday, February 26, 2008
Fortunes of War: Death and Chaos No Problem for Profit-Seekers in Iraq

Written by Chris Floyd
Monday, 25 February 2008
We have long been told that the "security situation" in Iraq is the reason why the loudly promised "reconstruction" of the shattered nation by altruistic Western firms has been thwarted. Foreign corporations, particularly the oil companies, are eager to come to the aid of the suffering Iraqi people with expertise, technology and massive investment -- just as soon as those quarrelsome Arabs settle down and stop killing each other.

So the story goes. But as usual, the truth is far from that. As the British government's top advisor revealed this week in a remarkably candid interview with the Observer, Western business leaders don't care how many Iraqis die -- or who kills them -- just as long as their own profits can be guaranteed. It is the oil law -- not civil war, sectarian strife, or the cynical U.S. "surge" policy of arming all sides to guarantee continuing conflict -- that is holding up Western investment.

That's the word from Michael Wareing, chief executive of the multinational consultancy firm KPMG. Prime Minister Gordon Brown has put Wareing in charge of the Basra Development Commission, the Big Business quango tasked with developing southern Iraq -- where British forces once held sway, but now hide away in a remote enclave while Shiite militias and criminal gangs battle for control of the lucrative region.

Wareing told the paper that security in the area "was no longer an issue for investors." After all, he said, you will often find a spot of bother amongst the dusky peoples who have unaccountably found themselves living on top of America and Britain's oil:


"If you look at many other economies in the world, particularly the oil-rich economies, many of these places are quite challenging places in which to do business," he said. "Frankly, if you can successfully operate in the Niger Delta, that is a very different benchmark from imagining that Basra needs to be like London or Paris."


Indeed. You don't have to bring the savages up to the level of white folks in order to get in there and grab their oil. (And certainly not to the level of London or Paris! The very idea!) Again, Wareing is quite frank on this point:


Iraq's parliament has yet to pass a hydrocarbon law setting out the terms oil companies will operate on and how profits will be split. "My sense is that many of the oil companies are very eager to come in now, and actually what they're waiting for is the hydrocarbon law to be passed and various projects to be signed off. That is what is causing them to pause, rather than the security position," he said.


And what is the "security position" in this very juicy slice of the Iraqi pie? (As the Observer notes, the Basra region "accounts for 90 percent of government revenue and 70 percent of Iraq's proven oil reserves.") Commondreams.org gives us the lowdown on a situation that is perfectly acceptable to KPMG, the oil companies, Her Majesty's Government -- and Her Majesty's Government's true masters in Washington:


In Basra, Iraq’s second largest city, 2008 was ushered in with an announcement of the 2007 death toll of women targeted by Islamist militias. City officials reported on December 31 that 133 women were killed and mutilated last year, their bodies dumped in trash bins with notes warning others against “violating Islamic teachings…” But ambulance drivers who are hired to troll the city streets in the early mornings to collect the bodies confirm what most residents believe: the actual numbers are much higher.

The killers’ leaflets are not very original. They usually accuse the women of being prostitutes or adulterers. But those murdered are more likely to be doctors, professors, or journalists...Their crime is not “promiscuity,” but rather opposition to the transformation of Iraq into an Islamist state. That bloody transition has been the main political trend under US occupation.

It’s no secret who is killing the women of Basra. Shiite political forces empowered by the US invasion have been terrorizing women there since 2003.


The Observer story on Wareing has more:


Basra fell largely under the control of Shia militias after the ousting of Saddam Hussein and has witnessed a violent turf war, as well as high rates of murder and kidnapping. Corruption is rife, residents are afraid to use banks in case they are robbed and smuggling of oil and other goods helps fund militias and criminal gangs. Unemployment has been put at between 30 per cent and 60 per cent, and the agricultural sector is in serious decline as cheap imports grow.


An insight into the situation in Basra is also provided in a second candid interview that appeared in the same issue of the Observer, this time with one of Britain's top military men in the region:


In an unusually frank analysis, Colonel Richard Iron, military mentor to the Iraqi commander General Mohan al-Furayji, said "There's an uneasy peace between the Iraqi Security Forces [ISF] on the one hand and the militias on the other. There is a sense in the ISF that confrontation is inevitable. They are training and preparing for the battle ahead. General Mohan says that the US won the battle for Baghdad, the US is going win the battle for Mosul, but Iraqis will have to win the battle for Basra."

Basra has been the scene of a violent power struggle between rival Shia factions, prominently Jaish al-Mahdi (JAM) led by the radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who last week announced an extension to its six-month ceasefire. It has seen armed groups move into hospitals and university campuses to impose their religious and political ideology, bullying or even beheading women for going out to work or dressing inappropriately.

Asked who runs the city now, Iron, who has been in Basra since December, said: "There's no one in charge. The unwritten rules of the game are there are areas where the army can and can't go and areas where JAM can and can't take weapons."


"There's no one in charge." Think of that: five years after the invasion of Iraq, a trillion dollars gone, a million people killed, and still, "there's no one in charge." The extremist Shiite militias -- including the militia known as the American-armed, American-funded, American-backed Iraqi government – are sharpening their knives for the eventual showdown within the sect; women are being killed and mutilated; professionals, doctors and teachers are being snatched off the streets, murdered or driven out; the city and region are being carved up into warring fiefdoms; murder and thievery are rampant; the chance for an ordinary, decent human life is receding for a population plunged into violent anarchy and immense suffering ...but none of this is "an issue for investors." They could not care less. If the Green Zone gang back in Baghdad can just get this damn oil law signed already, then Big Oil and its attendant industries will move in and start restoring and expanding the infrastructure of the Iraqi economy.

Naturally, since Nigeria is the openly stated model for what's to come, the actual people of Iraq will get the barest trickle of this bumper harvest of their national wealth. As in Nigeria, most of it will be shipped back to the West and spread around a thin layer of corrupt and corrupting local elites, while the majority lives in poverty and the society is riven with ethnic, religious and political conflict spurred by the twin goads of greed and vast injustice.

Wareing's revelations tie in to what we've been saying here (and elsewhere) for years: the Bush Faction (and the various elites it represents and embodies) has already "won" the war – no matter what happens. As I wrote here last fall, combining threads from a series of articles going back to August 2003:


In a world of dwindling petroleum resources, those who control large reserves of cheaply-produced oil will reap unimaginable profits – and command the heights of the global economy. It's not just about profit, of course; control of such resources would offer tremendous strategic advantages to anyone who was interested in "full spectrum domination" of world affairs, which the Bush-Cheney faction and their outriders among the neocons and the "national greatness" fanatics have openly sought for years. With its twin engines of corporate greed and military empire, the war in Iraq is a marriage made in Valhalla.

And this unholy union is what Bush is really talking about when he talks about "victory." This is the reason for so much of the drift and dithering and chaos and incompetence of the occupation: Bush and his cohorts don't really care what happens on the ground in Iraq – they care about what comes out of the ground. The end – profit and dominion – justifies any means. What happens to the human beings caught up in the war is of no ultimate importance; the game is worth any number of broken candles.

And in plain point of fact, the Bush-Cheney faction – and the elite interests they represent – has already won the war in Iraq...They've won even if Iraq collapses into perpetual anarchy, or becomes an extremist religious state; they've won even if the whole region goes up in flames, and terrorism flares to unprecedented heights – because this will just mean more war-profiteering, more fear-profiteering. And yes, they've won even if they lose their majority [in November 2006] or the presidency in 2008, because war and fear will still fill their coffers, buying them continuing influence and power as they bide their time through another interregnum of a Democratic "centrist" – who will, at best, only nibble at the edges of the militarist state – until they are back in the saddle again. The only way they can lose the Iraq War is if they are actually arrested and imprisoned for their war crimes. And you know and I know that's not going to happen.

So Bush's confident strut, his incessant upbeat pronouncements about the war, his complacent smirks, his callous indifference to the unspeakable horror he has unleashed in Iraq – these are not the hallmarks of self-delusion, or willful ignorance, or a disassociation from reality. He and his accomplices know full well what the reality is – and they like it.

-- March 1, 2008 1:49 AM


Roger wrote:

Sara,

Well I'm thinking, that it is in the better interest of Turkey Iraq and the US if the Turks are going in, doing what they are doing, (I think they claimed over 250 PKK's or there about) , and then get out, there is no indication if they were to get back in, and do another hit.

Who would this favor, well what is PKK, they are a terrorist band, in their eyes they are probably another version of "freedom fighters" with their own reasons, but either way, they are 1. Not a regular force. 2. Not under Kurdish official regime. ( there might very well be sympathy , silent agreements and mutual understandings on many issues , but still PKK is NOT under the official Kurdish Government.)....in fact not under ANY government. 3. They need funding, for weapons and materiel. 4. Iran need to move convoys of Katusha rockers to Lebanon via Syria.5. Iran needs to take the shortest route between Iran and Syria.5. Look at your map, where do they do that, and who do they buy out?.

Iran is for sure not sending convoys via Baghdad, Kuwait, Jordan or anywhere else.

So, northern Iraq is unstable AS LONG AS THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY CONTROLING LAND, ROADS, BRIDGES, RIVERS, MOUNTAINPASSES, AND NOT BEING UNDER GOVERNMENTAL CONTROL.

Kurds in general, not PPK members, for sure are ducking, and may have a silent disapproval of the operations taking place, but can't do much about it. Kurdistan is prospering more than any other region in Iraq, and the Kurds will have a very hard time, starting smashing windows, and overturn cars in the streets about this.

They have got so much lately, and even in their eyes, the PKK movement that in the past must have really been the only way out for them, have now dropped into fifth or sixth priority between Coca Cola, Internet, Cellphones, good wages, decent living and funny TV shows.

Who wants to go and muddy down the shoes in the mountains, they're Italian and handmade.

The era of PKK is over, and the PKK only exist now as an annoyance to Turkey, but there is more.

Turkeys part in this...follow the money line,...in the report posted by "investor" the scenario is outlined.

A new energy hub is created, where Turkey is a major part of the plan. There can not be a bunch of ragtag guys running around in the mountains, blowing up pipelines between Iraq's northern oil fields and Turkey.

Israel is part of that energy hub. Israel will not be part of an energy hub that have paid off PKK terrorists either getting bribes, and letting the oil flow or blow it up, or letting Iranian Katusha rockets reach Lebanon.

It all depends on reliable oil getting to Turkey.

Also, as the pan called out for,... is a little bit more global than that.

With Turkey getting in on the energy heavy weight side, this will start to make a leverage on the Russian oil.

Russia are kind of rouge, and are not too diplomatic, and doesn't mind stepping on a toe here and there. The development of eastern Europe have taken good steps, but have been slowed down by Russian arm wrestling with Russian oil.

There are conflicts, between Russia and the smaller former Soviet republics, and even instances where the Russians have just turned the oil tap off.

The key to a counter leverage is Turkey. Oil to Europe will make Turkey Europe's supplier, and with Turkeys interest in entering the European Union, this will fit like the hand in the glove.

So it looks like it is a matter of mopping up the last rest of the rouge bands running around in the hills, and it seems that Turkey got the honor this time. It is the natural enemy after all, and it wouldn't seem really in the eyes of the Kurdish public to be too tasteful if the US went after them with full force.

No Sara, I don't think this is something that will escalate into something ugly, on the contrary, the involved parties, are cheering on. The only parties that would lose is Iran and Syria. Their inter connecting "highway" would be no more.

So this is business as usual.

Your analysis of the free floating currency is very spot on.

No need to develop more on that, you nailed that one.

Then to get in a bit on the philosophical side of things, your last posting, got me thinking, the forces that are holding Iraq down, and for what reason.

Well, you may have perception of big old spirits having a powwow over there, but me, for my part I would like to have something more tangible to designate the causes to.

I would perhaps put it this way.

Confusion in itself is not a feeling, or intention, but it is a condition of something.

Confusion in itself is not evil, but when evil is present, confusion is present.

When you KNOW all the particles, their purposes, their natural places and their order of importance, you will not have confusion. You will even be able to observe confusion and have no problem with confusion because you can assign all the particles their correct order of importance, know their correct places, and know their ranks and order.

If you know, it will get in order. and what is not in order will get there (eventually, when the snow melts, when I get my next paycheck, or when the paint dries, or whenever, but you know the order, so that particles have no effect on you)

Thus, when you are told lies, misinformation or wrong order of importance, you will get confusion.

The confusion I can observe in Iraq is on many levels.

It's the old way of living, where old truths (that are false) will slowly be replaced by working applicable truths.

It is the lies and confusion that follows in big entities like the UN, and all it's organization's, we have IMF, we have the WB and we have a very uneducated Iraqi work force in the economical field, that will be very hard pressed to get everything straight right at this moment in Iraq.

We have the lies and confusion on the educational field, old false lies that are following generation after generation and false, or wrong economical moves are done over and over again, just as they were taught by the good ol professor.

We have a field of politics, where the power brokers are playing over and under the table, with their own agenda as the first priority, books have been written about this earths human race doing politics, so not much have to be added to the lies and deceits that have, and are floating around there.

In all parts of life there is always this insane solution that always seem to hang in, and prevail, even after the crowd on the street are screaming and pointing to the obviously, it will be "decided" that it will be there, stay there and stay in effect, in the interest of the public, or something like that.

So to go back to Iraq, and why the Iraqi Dinar is kept in a ridiculously low range year after year, and the correct steps have never been taken, I see the thing as a collective stupidness, where the intention of a self is governing the action of many.

It is like when a movie theater is burning.

If everyone is acting with full responsibility for each other, and acted in unison, not pushing and walk out in unison, like a fast marching marching band, the whole movie theater would have been vacated in no time.

But as the interest of the individual is higher than the interest of the whole group of individual, everyone is acting in the exact way that will kill everybody.

Including themselves.


-- March 1, 2008 5:45 AM


Sara wrote:

Roger;

I agree with you that self-interest is the key to what is happening with the Dinar right now. When you said, "So to go back to Iraq, and why the Iraqi Dinar is kept in a ridiculously low range year after year, and the correct steps have never been taken, I see the thing as a collective stupidness, where the intention of a self is governing the action of many."

I believe this evaluation of yours is spot-on. (I just think that the collective stupidity through self-interest is being manipulated from a higher dimension for unkind purposes against the Iraqi people. But how it manifests in this earthly realm is as you said, as collective stupidity and self-interest.) Another factor I mused upon after my last post is the fear of death which the terrorists give to the Iraqi government.. including kidnappings and so on.. such extortion is likely also a great factor in why they have not RVed. But if one man (Maliki) is too scared to do what is right, there are other Iraqis with the internal fortitude to do it and he should step down and let someone else take the lead and do the revalue who has the bravery to do so instead of his timidity. Because some Iraqis do see that it is the only way the Iraqi people will be set free and a necessary leg to victory and freedom. Without it, the Iraqi people remain impoverished and held under false control and manipulation. So there are those who will do the right thing and RV if given the power to do so. May God give us that person (and/or persons) in power who will RV for the good of the Iraqi people.. and the good fortune of the currency of Iraq (both of which we Dinar investors would cheer).

Even Investor's post of a rant from the lunys on the left fringe has some truth to it (though not much). Such as when they said, "Wareing told the paper that security in the area "was no longer an issue for investors." Good news which shows the improvement in Iraqi security to date and how the troops have been doing a wonderful, blessed job in protecting the Iraqi people and gaining peace for them. In spite of his denials, it WAS an issue before, and that situation has changed. Kudos to the troops and forces on the ground for a job well done!

He also notes the death of innocent Iraqi women, saying, "Their crime is not “promiscuity,” but rather opposition to the transformation of Iraq into an Islamist state." So the ENEMY here is those seeking to transform Iraq into an Islamist state, NOT the Bush Administration and oil.. BUT, he will find a way, stepping back from that very plain situation one step at a time and adding on layer after layer of accusations, to shift the blame from the real cause of the deaths stated here of "opposition to the transformation of Iraq into an Islamist state" - onto the government of the US which he so dispises and anyone seeking to help the Iraqis develop their oil sector.

The article goes on to deprecate all attempts to give Iraq prosperity and make money in the process. Making money? After all, businesses are in the business of making money, ask your employer. And businesses want to make money in Iraq. As for the characterization of them and President Bush as totally demonic for wishing to make business deals which do make a profit - which is the basis of a free economy (how evil, right?) when the article concludes, "So Bush's confident strut, his incessant upbeat pronouncements about the war, his complacent smirks, his callous indifference to the unspeakable horror he has unleashed in Iraq – these are not the hallmarks of self-delusion, or willful ignorance, or a disassociation from reality. He and his accomplices know full well what the reality is – and they like it."

THAT turns my stomach. Because it is without respect or dignity to a great man whose heart is not callously indifferent, nor is his having confidence in what he is doing for the good of the Iraqi people an evil. When the Iraqis appealed to his humanity and begged him to rid them of Saddam and his rape rooms, his heart was moved. I swear God, who knows the thoughts and intents of the hearts will judge these detractors who speak such evil things very harshly for their slander of the man. They are truly of those who dispise government and speak evil of dignitaries:

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust to the Day of Judgment to be punished:
2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. They are presumptuous, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries.

Who are these people who speak such evils of a duly elected official and those who stood and voted to go into Iraq? When they talk of unleashing "unspeakable horror" in Iraq.. all war is hell, always is. But sometimes it is necessary. Has the surge ended up bringing nothing but "unspeakable horror" to the Iraqi people? Are the Iraqis better off under the Parliament now or Saddam? The Iraqis themselves state they believe they are better off now.

2007 - Four years into the war, the biggest poll since coalition troops entered Iraq on March 20, 2003 showed that by a majority of two to one, Iraqis preferred the current leadership to Saddam Hussein’s regime, regardless of the security situation and a lack of public services.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Operation_Iraqi_Freedom#Liberation_From_Ba.27athist_Tyranny

That poll saying 2/3rds say it was a good move was pre-surge, and things have only gotten better since then. Iraqis are returning in droves, and violence is down. From that same url/section: "Since the surge, this has ceased as 60-80% of the violence has been stopped. On Sat Feb 16, 2008 reuters reported, "Attacks by insurgents and rival sectarian militias have fallen up to 80 percent in Baghdad. The U.S. military says attacks have fallen across Iraq by 60 percent since June on the back of security clampdowns and the deployment of 30,000 extra American troops."

So war isn't always "unspeakable horror" and evil. It does accomplish some very worthwhile things for people (like freedom from a dictator called the Butcher of Baghdad). Sometimes, war is necessary to attain good goals. In this ongoing war against Islamic extremist terrorists, he notes, "Basra fell largely under the control of Shia militias after the ousting of Saddam Hussein and has witnessed a violent turf war, as well as high rates of murder and kidnapping. Corruption is rife, residents are afraid to use banks in case they are robbed and smuggling of oil and other goods helps fund militias and criminal gangs. Unemployment has been put at between 30 per cent and 60 per cent, and the agricultural sector is in serious decline as cheap imports grow."

What could help this.. more military action to remove the militias, certainly - we have seen how the surge has brought more peace to the people in Iraq already, and removed violence and fear. But the unemployment is a HUGE factor there. Does this article say get the money going and people back to work by stimulating the economy of Iraq which means developing their oil? No. It is all a grab to steal their oil from the greedy monsters. What will help is seen as wickedness. The article has nothing but bad and evil to say on the question of how the government has and is conducting the war. Instead of the fault lying with the terrorists, somehow these detractors always put it back on the US government and oil, particularly anyone daring to try and make money in Iraq for themselves and the Iraqis (true business deals are win-win, both must profit for people to enter into business deals, that is real life and reality).

This anti-US-government article is correct in that going to war wasn't self-delusion, willful ignorance or dissasociation from reality, that is true. But neither was it from malicious intent to steal Iraq's resources which motivated President Bush AND both houses of Congress to endorse the war in Iraq. As I posted before, President Bush would not have approved the war measure without the stimulus of 911. And, it HAS helped the Iraqi people and they will be better off for it in the long run. AND, the making of profit by the oil industry is a normal business practice done throughout the world and not a horribly wicked thing.. so long as the Iraqi people are properly compensated for it. My concern is that the Iraqi government will not RV and they will only give the Iraqi people their "fiat" or monopoly money, keeping the real profit to themselves. They can take in real money for their product (oil) then give the people only tiny amounts based on their falsely set Dinar exchange rate. This will give the Iraqis more than they have now, but never get them to a world-class economy or economic standard of living. The corrupt (or scared) government can then keep the gravy train to themselves.. because they are making very sure that Iraq will prosper through this. By that, I fear they mean themselves and not really the people.

It would take a man of great bravery and faith to RV the Dinar while running the Iraqi government. We have not seen one yet. I believe Maliki will never RV the Dinar. He hasn't the faith, vision or ability to hope for good for the Iraqi people. What the motives he has are.. fear for his life or his loved ones, greed or corruption, misplaced religious zeal, an agent for Iran.. I cannot tell. But he isn't the man for this task. I pray the Iraqis replace him with someone who will do what is necessary to get prosperity for the masses by joining the world economy and not living in their monopoly money kingdom. Maliki, and any others who will not RV, have a lot of blood on their hands for their inaction. I say that because the lack of an RV is a direct cause of more instability and fosters terrorism as well as a lack of prosperity for everyday Iraqis. It steals jobs, prosperity and hope from the Iraqi people, and some of them have turned to terrorism as a result. Sins of OMISSION are as evil as sins of commission. And this omission (to RV) is a very great sin against the good of the Iraqi people.

Instead of it being wicked interests spurring on and endorsing keeping the prosperity from the Iraqi people as stated in the article when it slanderously says, "Naturally, since Nigeria is the openly stated model for what's to come, the actual people of Iraq will get the barest trickle of this bumper harvest of their national wealth. As in Nigeria, most of it will be shipped back to the West and spread around a thin layer of corrupt and corrupting local elites, while the majority lives in poverty and the society is riven with ethnic, religious and political conflict spurred by the twin goads of greed and vast injustice. And this unholy union is what Bush is really talking about when he talks about "victory.""

Instead of this, I think it is the West taking their rightful profit from a normal business venture and helping Iraq to have prosperity, which is not evil. The problem is not the rightful profit from a successful business venture, but the corrupt Iraqi officials keeping the Iraqi part of the profits out of the hands of the Iraqi people by not doing the RV. That way they keep the money to themselves and live on in monopoly land.. where they stay rich and the ordinary Iraqis have little. Look at Iraq today.. see how it is now? That is the way they wish to keep it, for whatever motives. It isn't the US government or big oil's fault.. it is the Iraqi government's fault for not doing the RV and joining the real world so their people can have normal lives and prosperity. My view and belief is that the Iraqi people can have as much prosperity as Kuwait or Saudi Arabia has.. if they have a good enough government... one which will live in the real world and let the prosperity flow to its people in real terms not the current fiat monopoly money.

Sara.

-- March 1, 2008 12:41 PM


Sara wrote:

Investor - My taking umbrage at the article in your last post was not meant in any way as a deprecation of you or your posts, which I have appreciated very much. I just differ in my opinion from the views expressed within that particular post.. and I discussed my views of it since it fit with the dinar discussion Roger and I were having about the RV. Again, no offense was intended, and I hope to hear your viewpoint on advancing the good fortune of Iraq for the people of Iraq and the Dinar.

Sara.

-- March 1, 2008 1:52 PM


Sara wrote:

Surge working..

U.S. casualties drop in Iraq in February
Sat Mar 1, 2008
By The Associated Press

BAGHDAD - An Associated Press count finds 29 U.S. troops died while serving in Iraq in February, the third-lowest monthly casualty toll for the U.S. military since the American-led invasion in 2003.

Troop fatalities declined from 40 in January, and also dropped steeply from February 2007, when at least 81 troops died in Iraq.

Three factors are widely credited with reducing violence in Iraq over the past six months: an increase in U.S. troop levels; a ceasefire by radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia; and the decision by tens of thousands of Sunni fighters to accept U.S. funding and turn against al-Qaida in Iraq.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080301/world/iraq_casualties

-- March 1, 2008 4:56 PM


cornishboy wrote:


Did you know that 47 countries have re-established
their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi government
currently employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated,
364 schools are under rehabilitation,
263 new schools are now under construction
and 38 new schools have been completed in Iraq ?

Did you know that Iraq 's higher educational
structure consists of 20 Universities,
46 Institutes or colleges and 4 research centers,
all currently operating?

Did you know that 25 Iraq students depar! ted
for the United States in January 2005
! for the re-established Fulbright program?

Did you know that the Iraqi Navy is operational?
They have 5 -100-foot patrol craft, 34 smaller vessels
and a naval infantry regiment.

Did you know that Iraq 's Air Force consists of three operational squadrons,
which includes 9 reconnaissance and 3 US C-130 transport aircraft
(under Iraqi operational control)
which operate day and night, and will soon add
16 UH-1 helicopters and 4 Bell Jet Rangers?

Did you know that Iraq has a counter-terrorist
unit and a Commando Battalion?

Did you know that the Iraqi Police Service has over 55,000
fully trained and equipped police officers?

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq
that produce over 3500 new officers every 8 weeks?

Did you know there are more t han 1100
building projects going on in Iraq ?
They include 364 schools, 67 public clinics,
15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations,
22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities
and 69 electrical facilities.

Did you know that 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5
have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations?

Did you know that 4.3 million Iraqi children were
enrolled in primary school by mid October?

Did you know that there are 1,192,000
cell phone subscribers in Iraq
and phone use has gone up 158%?

Did you know that Iraq has an independent
media that consists of 75 radio stations,
180 newspapers and 10 television stations?

Did you know that the Baghdad Stock Exchange
opened in June of 2004?

Did you know that 2 candidates in the Iraqi
presidential election had a televised debate recently?

OF COURSE WE DIDN'T KNOW!

WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW?


BECAUSE...


OUR MEDIA WOULDN'T TELL US!

Instead of reflecting our love for our country,
we get photos of flag burning incidents at Abu Ghraib
and people throwing snowballs at the presidential motorcades.

Tragically, the la! ck of accentuating the positive in Iraq serves two purposes:

It is intended to undermine the world's perception of the United States
thus minimizing consequent support,
and it is intended to discourage American citizens .
---- Above facts are verifiable on the Department of Defense web site..

http://www.defense.gov/
http://www.pentagon.mil/
http://www.defenselink.mil/
http://www.defendamerica.mil/iraq.html
http://www.jcs.mil

-- March 1, 2008 9:03 PM


Roger wrote:

Fiat money, (money that are valued because of a decision(controlled) or opinion(bought and sold), as opposed to backed money), will always have a tendency to be manipulated in one way or the other, as Gold or Silver or cows in the corral, is not the basis of it's value.

Another aspect of why I think the Iraqi Dinar is held where it is held is very much in the culture of the Arabian and Persian countries, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait , Dubai and other oil producing states, have such a strong economy, and could have had their currency free floating, but as their neighbours to the east doesn't, the neighbour to the north doesn't, and the neighbour to the west doesn't, well then, that is what we are suppose to do, it is an accepted thing to do.

So the truth about money in those part of the world, would be, an expectancy to control it artificially.

Leave a room empty, and leave it uncontrolled, and in no time it will be a storage space. Some one will take over that control, and make a decision in how to use it.

Walk to a crowded area and look confused, and you will almost as an automatic function, pull in people that are willing to take control, -"do you need help sir?"

The hard part is when someone that have taken control over something , will have to give up that control, he will fight for keeping the control.

The teenager that filled all his stuff in the empty room with make all kind of problems and try to convince that the stuff has to stay there, and the person that helped you when you were confused, giving you directions, almost can't stop, and are explaining it three times for you, and keep explaining how to get there, long after you have got it.

Control over something is not easily taken, when someone or something is already controlling it.

In the Middle East, monetary control is expected, and I have very little faith in that it will be less controlled.

It may, but the resistance of letting it lose on the Forex, and let the market decide on it's value will probably be very hard fought. This will be about the same as yanking an electronic video game control unit out of the hands from an 9 year old.

It wont go easy.

Whatever Iraq will have to decide upon, they have to start moving again, as long as the Dollar is showing weakness, and the Dinar is pegged to the Dollar, the Dinar will go down with the Dollar, and have to be re-adjusted. The value of the neighbouring states money are rising, and that puts another pressure on the Dinar to rise.

The value of the Iraqi reserve is rising and that put another pressure on the value of Iraq,

The amount of the Iraqi debt is sinking, and that puts another pressure on the Iraq Dinar to go up.

The amount of violence is shrinking, and stability is rising, thus business, that put another pressure on the Iraqi Dinar to rise.

The amount of investment, ( not only private, but also another record big state budget, to be sink'ed into the society) is rising, and that also put a pressure on the Iraqi Dinar to be raised.

The amount of money in circulation in the business system (most money in existence is not physical money), is increasing, putting a pressure on the Iraqi Dinar to rise.

Some may object to the last statement, but please notice that I said the amount in the business system, not the amount printed, quite a difference, you print up a bunch of money but can't make it work in the system, you will of course have inflation.

I need to expand a little bit on the last issue here.

A very small system, an island with three persons, with their own money, have in all essence no impact on any trading partner outside of their own system. Their own system will not permit for much value, and their own currency almost by necessity have to be a controlled currency in order for it to have any exchange value at all, while a big system, Europe, the US, Japan or something similar, will just by it's presence have value.

Thus, in order for a big system to work, it needs a big amount of currency to float around in it's veins, thus the bigger the system, the more need for more currency in order to make it continue to work.

If you print exactly what you need in order for the veins in the beast to operate optimally, and the beast is growing, you will of course have to print more money, and even by doing so, the money will be more valued, as the value of the hardware in that system, harbors, land, bridges, machinery, work force, profitability, and so on, will have an inherited higher value, than three houses on an island where the three inhabitants have their own money.

That is one of the reasons why richer and higher producing countries, or economical systems have higher valued money compared with (on the other extreme) 3'rd world countries.

A currency can go up in value over other currencies, and still have inflation.

In a free trading economic system there is an inherent annual inflation of a few %.

Most money in this world doesn't exist.

Depending on the laws in each country, that will permit banks to hold liquidity in comparison with their lending volume, you will in general find that about 10% of existing money exists only in paper, as Dollar bills, Stirling or Euros (or whatever).(Don't panic now, but banks don't have much money, most of their assets are in loans, same with the feds, where the values are in securities, and the industry, where they have obtained or are giving credits)

Ok lets leave that subject now, so Iraq have all the ingredients, plus one of the obvious one, oil, in itself worthless, until pumped and sold, but it acts as a guarantee for future debit and credit.

Question is, if they will do the dreaded, zero lop or an RV, or a slow recovery.

Either way, this year will probably show the intentions of the Iraqis in what way they want to go. The Iraqi industry and oil are in negotiating phase, and contracts are signed to the point that they have an ink shortage right now.

The effects on the industry when a period like that is experienced, is less of a boom, but more of an optimistic look on the future, and a willingness to invest, develop and in general have a more entrepreneurial attitude.

The real economic effects, will most probably be seen this year, as the first big investment projects are moving in. People are getting jobs, and the trickle down effect will go far, but it will only happen when the Iraqi man can come home with a paycheck.

The Dinar can not stay where it is, in a boom economy.

Probably by the middle or in the late part of this year we will see the first substantial moves in the Iraq economy, the first invested wheels will start to pay out. THAT will by definition be the start of the economic boom....we have had enough of the poitical stuff....

The value of the Iraqi industry is right now pretty low, but what they have is a hope for the future, they can see solutions, they can wheel and deal, like they have never been able to do before.

So, the Dinar will not stay, it can not stay. It will be an impossibility.

The hard part is to yank the controlling fingers from the Dinar, and let it prove itself.

There is always someone along the control line that knows best.

-- March 2, 2008 3:40 AM


anon wrote:

Roger , thanks for your always inviting info !!!!!

-- March 2, 2008 12:23 PM


cornishboy wrote:

Analysis: Iraq oil debate review


Published: Feb. 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Print story Email to a friend Font size:By BEN LANDO
UPI Energy Editor
WASHINGTON, Feb. 28 (UPI) -- Iraq's draft oil law is stalled in Parliament, the national government and Kurdistan Regional Government are moving forward with their own deals -- unconstitutional, the each says of the other -- and Iraq's oil production is stalled at just more than 2 million barrels per day.

Perhaps it's a good time to take a step back and recap the debate over Iraq's oil sector and its possibilities. To do so, United Press International has reviewed three recently published documents providing contrasting and varying insight. It's not exhaustive, but a good addition to an important discussion.

The first is "An Opinion Opposing the Existing Draft Iraqi Oil & Gas Law," by Fouad al-Amir, a 70-year-old Iraqi resident with "40 years in the Iraqi Ministry of Oil," according to an ex-Iraqi oil official.

"The importance of Iraq comes from its high oil reserves, and the very good possibility of increasing it," al-Amir wrote. He called it suspect that U.S. officials and Big Oil companies have had their eye on Iraq's oil since before the war, citing Vice President Cheney's energy task force documents, State Department study groups and an oil company-funded think tank calling for a certain type of contract.

Iraq's oil sector has been nationalized since the 1970s, though Saddam Hussein gradually displaced many technocrats with political allies, and oil production decreased.

A proposed oil law that receives heavy backing from Washington is being touted as a way to direct investment to the oil sector, through at least partial denationalization. The fear by opponents, such as al-Amir, is that through production-sharing contracts private companies will be allowed too much access and even control over Iraq's oil. PSCs, which the KRG has signed in frustration with Baghdad, give companies a guaranteed minimum cut of the oil, after recouping their costs, deals looked upon as favorable by Wall Street.

"The existing laws in Iraq allow all kind of oil development, except foreign sharing in Iraqi oil," al-Amir wrote. "There would be a need for (an) oil law later when safe and stable, political and social, matured conditions are prevailing. … It should be reorganized to emphasize central planning and decentralized application of the plans."

The Iraq National Accord, a political party led by former Iraq Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, who is angling to replace current Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's governing coalition, has issued a critique of the current process of the oil and gas law, as well as of the national Oil Ministry.

The INA calls for an immediate passage of the Revenue Sharing Law to "create trust on all sides." It's set to be included in a package of laws along with the oil law, the Ministry of Oil law and the Iraqi National Oil Co. law.

INA calls for the INOC to be re-established and given the task of operating currently producing fields "and double their current production," while international and Iraqi private oil companies should bring into production the discovered but not developed fields.

"The government's role should be regulation and oversight, while having capable companies Iraqi and international, investing and working in all areas of Iraq," the paper said.

And it repeated the claims of the KRG in its dispute with the national government. It said Baghdad made "unauthorized changes" to the draft oil law agreed to in February 2007. That law is now stuck in Iraq's Parliament. The KRG decided to move forward on its own, passing a regional oil law and signing dozens of contracts with international oil companies.

The INA said any contracts will increase oil production, thus revenues, and should be considered "positive." It said the Supreme Court of Iraq should determine which side is correct in the dispute, which is based on either sides interpretation of the 2005 Constitution, and criticized national Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani for, among other things, calling the KRG deals "illegal," blacklisting companies that signed with the KRG and cutting those firms from Iraq oil purchases.

While the timeline for finding agreement on the oil law is unknown, a new report from the Center for Global Energy Studies says there is much than can, and should, be done to enhance Iraq's hydrocarbons sector in the meantime.

"The fact that the nation is composed of different sects and races has contributed less to the problem than politics, the security vacuum post April 2003, and the very slow process of building up and equipping the national army and security forces. The conditions in Kurdistan have been safe enough for business. In the southern governorates of Basra and Missan, security conditions have been relatively satisfactory for field activity to continue," according to the Executive Summary of the report -- which is offered by the London-based consultancy for more than $26,000.

"Field activity in the short term can, however, go ahead in Anbar, Basra, Missan, South Thi Qar (Nasiriyah), parts of Wasit, in addition to Dohuk, Erbil and part of Sulaimaniya" provinces, the report added. Large-scale exploration is the biggest holdout until the government decides who controls the oil strategy.

Other issues include the flaring of 70 percent of gas produced during oil production, instead of utilizing it in power generation.

Plans in the early 1980s to boost production to 6 million bpd were cut short by successive wars, U.N. sanctions and Saddam's mismanagement of the sector. Security issues keep out contractors and political stalling keeps Iraqis from doing any major projects. Production increases will come after wells, pipelines and other infrastructure are fixed, upgraded and protected, the report said.

And although Iraq's export facilities have a 3.5 million bpd capacity, according to the report, increasing production to the 6 million bpd target -- or higher -- "would definitely require expansion of the production centers, trunk lines, main lines and export facilities."

The northern pipeline from Kirkuk to a Turkish port has only recently been regularly protected from insurgent attacks, and is now flowing at about 350,000 bpd -- less than a quarter of its capacity. Meanwhile exports from the southern ports are heading toward the 1.9 million bpd mark. Other pipelines have been bombed and remain out of operation.

The report predicts average daily production will reach 2.692 million bpd by 2010, with exports at 2.217 million bpd. Such oil sales would continue to bring in the tens of billions of dollars -- especially at today's oil prices -- which fund nearly the entire Iraqi federal budget.

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-- March 2, 2008 12:49 PM


Sara wrote:

ANALYSIS: Iraq welcomes Ahmadinejad, Sunni Arabs object
Mar 2, 2008

Cairo/Baghdad - The Iraqi government lavished hospitality and praise on Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Sunday during the first visit by an Iranian head of state to a country that was for decades considered a bitter foe.

Yet, the visit was met with a mix of reservation and outright protest from Iraq's Sunni Arabs, who watch nervously Iran's growing political and economic clout in their country.

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani played the good host by avoiding any public mention of what could perturb the visit.

The border treaty was not discussed Sunday, Talabani said. His Sunni Arab Vice-President, Tariq al-Hashimi, however, did not hide his nationalist position towards Iran.

'We hope we can put an end to troubled relations between both countries. As for normalizing ties, this should be on the basis of respect of sovereignty and non-interference,' al-Hashimi said in a statement published on the website of his Iraqi Islamic Party.

Both countries should start simultaneous negotiations over a number of unsettled, complex issues, al-Hashimi said.

Anti-Tehran sentiment ran high in Sunni-dominated Fallujah in western Iraq where protestors burnt Iran's flag and announced a boycott of its goods, the Voices of Iraq news agency (VOI) reported Sunday.

'The protest is a message to Iran from the Iraqi people, expressing our indignation towards Iran's conduct. It is backing and training militias that killed hundreds of Iraqis,' Sabah al-Ilwany, a senior member of the Fallujah Assembly Party, told VOI.

A rally bringing together Sunni Arab tribal and political leaders in the multi-ethnic city of Kirkuk voiced strong opposition to the visit.

'We have seen today a visit by [a president] of a state with hands tarnished by the blood of innocent people in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine,' Ahmed al-Ubaydi, the leader of the Iraqi Kirkuk Front, told the congregation.

Al-Ubaydi was referring to Iran's growing influence in the region, which causes unease in many Sunni-dominated Arab countries.

Tribes in Shiite-dominated southern Iraq joined those criticizing Ahmadinejad's visit.

A member of the association of southern Iraqi clans, Hasan al- Lami, called for the border with Iran to be redrawn and an end to its 'oil theft.'

Iran has denied allegations recently made by Iraqi oil officials that it has seized oil wells on its border with the southern Iraqi provinces of Basra and Missan.

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1393614.php/ANALYSIS_Iraq_welcomes_Ahmadinejad_Sunni_Arabs_object

-- March 3, 2008 12:04 AM


Sara wrote:

It continues to be unwise for insurgents to kill US/coalition soldiers (or others who oppose them in Iraq).

Major al-Qaeda figure in Iraq killed, says US
Ap, Baghdad
Monday, March 3, 2008

A US military helicopter fired a guided missile to kill a wanted Saudi Arabian al-Qaeda in Iraq leader who was believed responsible for the bombing deaths of five American soldiers, a spokesman said Monday.

US Navy Rear Adm. Gregory Smith said Jar Allah, also known as Abu Yasir al-Saudi, and another Saudi known only as Hamdan, were both killed Wednesday in Mosul. Al-Saudi headed up the al-Qaeda network in southeast Mosul, an insurgent hotbed where US forces wage daily battles against the group.

http://www.thedailystar.net/story.php?nid=25827

-- March 3, 2008 12:53 AM


ahire wrote:

-- March 3, 2008 1:06 AM


Roger wrote:

ahire,

Thanks, well another date to look forward to.

Whoever got that info sure had a lot of things connected to the date 3/18.

Most is purely coincidental, but hey, who knows.

The bank that have to pay back their creditors with the rate that they were payed is not necessarily bound by a current exchange rate, that is most probably stipulated in the contract.

If party A recieved from party B, a credit, at the sum of X, with a certain value of party A and B's countrys currency at the time...lets say a 1:1 (just for the discussion) , then party A have receive a value that is determined by that exchange rate, and party B have given something with that same value.

Lets say party A's countrys currency goes down the drain, and at the time of repayment, 20 years later, it is worth only 10.000 to : 1, then the party that gave the loan (Party B) will of course not be happy to get something back that is 10.000 times smaller than they originally borrowed to party A.

Usually the stronger currency is used in the whole transaction, you borrow in Klondykian Nuggets, and you pay back in Klondykian Nuggets, but not all the time.

Some times, in credit contracts between two different parties using two different currency systems, this is adjusted to the value that was given and recieved at the time of the transaction, so if a credit is announced to be adjusted on a lets say 20 year old credit, and numbers from that time is used, please don't jump into the conclusion that this is a precursor or a leak about an RV.

But...hey, we'll keep our eyes open for something the 18th of Mars.

We can of course hope, soooooome day they're going to just have to do something about it, so why not that date.

That date is as good as any.

-- March 3, 2008 3:03 AM


DinarAdmin wrote:

-- March 3, 2008 10:50 AM